マルシン CG 友の会コミュのMarcinkiewicz CG Model Trumpet International Forum

Wow! can't believe that U made this up sooooo soon.

Good job!

Watashi no namae wa, Nomoto to iimasu-.

Gokigennyo-Sayo-nara.

My Tp boreseize is 470,CG10.
Mrcin is Banzai!!

I should buy such a thing at that time.
When it thought that it wants it, it is a disappearing thing.
I absolutely obtain it!

My name is Yuki.
I'm owner of Marcinkiewicz CG Model Trumpet, too.

My trumpet boresize is 470,and number is CG14.

It is everyday pleasure that I practice trumpet with this musical instrument.

Wow, this is cool!

I ain't got any Marcinkiewicz one, but two USA Selmers. Silver and Gold, though. Those serial #s are 9** and 10**.

These days, I feel those Bach Strads are heavy, 'cause, I'm so accustomed to play those light weight horns. :- )

BTW, there is a topic talk about CG Benge in this community, but Selmer... Is there any reason? I wonder...

>there is a topic talk about CG Benge in this community, but Selmer...

I think it's coming up soon...

I tried, very hard, to locate a resource of CG Selmer.

In fact, there's none. None of the site made any reference to the said subject except Shouzan-shi's site. I am still trying to locate the information which shall be enough to cover the CG Selmer story.

Does anyone know of it ? I mean, the resource.

By the way, does anyone made any contact to Mr. Robert (Bob) Fechner at Marcinkiewicz Co. Inc. ?

Or, should I try it ?

The one and only big question is whether the mixi has any translation facility of its registration process. If not, someone has to tell Mr. Fechner, how to do it. Or, we should establish a BBS, out side of mixi, for the easy access.

I did.
I told him "Iwao made English page, but the problem is that this site is only Japanese for registration, so if you have any announcement to CG trumpet users, let me know. This will be a good way so far."

If Bob know any Japanese there, he can ask him or her how to the registration... or we should establish a BBS, like Iwao-san said.

Thanks, Boss!

Mr. Nimoto, you mean, you're lookin' for some web page like a CG Benge page @ www.dallasmusic.org site, right?

I also took a look at the trumpet herald website and found Mr. Jeff Purtle's article about CG Benge and Selmer.

Here, we go.

The CG Benge came first in the 70s some times. Zig Kanstul worked for Benge at that time. The Benge was never made exactly the way Claude desired. He wanted it to be a bore of .470" and Benge made it .468" with a variation of more valve travel to open up the horn through the valve section by making the compression of the tubes through the pistons less than in other horns. The leadpipe was designed by Claude with the help of Dominic Colichio years prior to the Benge. The leadpipe start is .360" which Claude said was a significant factor. Both the Benge and Selmer have a feature of a .004" reduction in the bore where the bell joins to the valves. That was something Claude discovered was a unique feature of the famous Meha Bessons that played great. Both the CG Benge and CG Selmer trumpets are lightweight.

Zig Kanstul let Claude know that he needed to get the mandrels to avoid problems with the new merger that happened at the end of the CG Benge time. Claude told me that in all the years they made the CG Benge, he never received any money for the sale of the horn and it was one of their best selling horns. (But, in the early 1990s Claude negotiated a deal of $7.20 for each of the CG Selmers.) Some time in the early 1980s a relationship was built with Claude and Selmer and in maybe 1982 the first CG Selmers were made. The bore was .470" like originally planned and the other things seem to be very similar.

There was a period of time when the first CG Selmers were made that some of them didn't come out the way Claude intended. A man who worked at Selmer supposedly took it upon himself to change some of the dimensions of the horn because he felt Claude's design was not right. The crucial measurements are as follows: bore (.470") start of bell (.466") start of leadpipe (.360") and end of leadpipe (.470"). The most difficult one to measure is the start of the bell. Sad to say this is why some people have played some of the CG Selmers and not been impressed. When all the dimensions are correct and the horn is put together correctly (which doesn't always happen at Selmer) then the horn has a wonderful responsive feel and a versatility that could be used for playing any kind of sound you wish.

When I moved to South Carolina in 1997 I asked the Selmer rep in our area about the CG Selmer. He told me he didn't find it in his catalog at that time. I asked why and he was told it was taken out of the catalog because they didn't sell very many of them. And of course taking it out the catalog helped that even more. Selmer stopped making the CG Selmer early in 2002. They never really liked making it because the valve casing, bracing and other parts were not the standard Bach assembly line parts. The CG Selmer trumpet required more time to build and didn't really fit with the way Selmer now does construction as a big assembly line style company.

And, a surprise is that, Selmer was making CG up to '02... Actually, I found a brand-new one in Switzerland and got it. I mean that there are possibilities that you guys can find some at some tiny little music shops in country side..., maybe. ;-)

Wow !

Very interesting story.

Thanks Kaw-san. I'll translate it into Japanese and post it as 'CG Selmer no Kenkyu'.

I have a true story for CG Selmer.
If I have a chance, I may talk about it....

Got a tip for when you use those machine translation, like web based ones.

Write plain and simple sentences, not compound sentence or complex sentences... Write'em just like grade one student does.

And, use designative subject for the sentence, like "Watashi wa", "Kore ga" or you'd have some funny sentences...