英語：racismコミュのsex and race

Ok!X>
This is a bit off the topic, but since we haven't seen 'yeah' around for a while I 'll just go ahead with it

Those Japanese girls who are virtually incapable of maintaining intelligent or mind-stimulating conversation...I'm interested to know how you became acquainted with them, because well, as a Japanese girl, it's kinda hard to just sit there and let someone say that kind of thing..
But then, your impression of us must be based on some grain of truth. I'm just curious. Also I'm interested in exactly what other nationalities you're comparing us to. As far as my experiences in high school and college went, there were numerous intelligent Japanese females around me but maybe I'm not very smart in the first place..?

That is a good question Sakiko.But I am sure Ok!X will have a good answer too.

so i've been coming back and reading this the past two days but i keep not being able two respond, for various reasons, chiefly being busyness (today for example i found out at one that if i didn't want to fail a class i was going to have to write a paper on african politics and economy from a general view and then go 'in-depth' on one aspect of either, in japanese, due 6 hours after i found out about it. and its a subject i don't really know about in the first place so i rushed off to the library and . . . yeah. so thats how i'm living) but anyways, i wanted to chime in here, cause this is something i've been thinking about for a while . . . is it possible the news-saturation rate in japan is just lower, than say, the US? i personally don't think japanese people are incapable of intelligent conversation, but honestly, in my personal experiance i have had the thought before that a lot of the japanese people i've met haven't really been very well informed on more 'acedemic' subjects. not that they're dumb, they just don't seem to know things. Of course, I know more than my fair share of ignorant americans, but comparitively, i do sometimes wonder about some of the people i meet here... i have two basic ideas on this - either the news-saturation rate in japan is lower and japanese people just aren't getting outside news and therefore don't know and don't know why they should care about things, or, i kinda think that japanese people talk about differant things than english speakers do. i feel like i've had to explain the words "testosterone" and "estrogyn" to japanese people a lot in my life . . . when i'm pretty sure that english speakers say those two words enough that most everyone understands their meaning ("testosterone-poisoning" for instance, seems to me a fairly common catch-phrase). this leads me to the conclusion that japanese people just don't talk about things like that, they talk about something else, so they don't know. why there's this differance, i don't know, but i think its there. and i think that can partialy explain why some people don't know about say, politics - they're too busy being concerned with differant topics then that. ask them about developmental psychology, maybe they'll surprise you. or good restaurants in thailand. for some reason a lot of the japanese people i know know a whole lot about restaurants in foreign countries, even if they can't tell you the conditions or situation of the people living there.

by the way Ok!x, i personally must unfortunately disagree with your "easy" claim. i've kissed a good amount of girls since i came to this country, but i don't feel like i've gotten any any more than at home . . . maybe i'm just unlucky. or hideous. hmmm . . .

well, thats my generalization for the week. i don't have a clue...

I think Japanese tend to listen more and speak less.While we Westerners tend to speak more and listen less.

Ok!X>
Don't worry, I didn't quote you as saying 'ALL' either ;-) Obviously that's why I asked where you'd gotten acquainted with them (then I could identify the ones responsible for creating this annoying image of us)
Offended would be a strong word, but I think we're all entitled to question stereotypes regards groups we belong to (especially if they're un-flattering). Just put yourself in my place and I think you'd want to ask a few questions too.

Cool OK!X.However this is from the foreigner's viewpoint.It would be also interesting to see it from the Japanese girl's perspective.

By the way,these forums are really disgusting!!!!As if a gaijin knows everything about Japan just because he spent some time there.How naive!I went to Japan for 9 months and work with Japanese people for years now and still maybe I know about 1% about Japan.

Oh my god!!!!!!!!!!!!(ﾟДﾟ)......er...I mean :o
Nah,I think there are so many things I need to learn.Let's say im just a newbie in the scene.Time will tell.

Yeah said in the first post:'I was in a conversation once with a drunk salaryman, who basically said to me "american women are so fat and ugly that guys like you have to leave the country to have sex, cause our japanese women are the best'.

Well there can be an easy way out.Just tell him you're gay and with one big gaijin hand,grab his balls and elevate him from the floor and toss him in the air.He'll sober up pretty quick I guess hehe.

The guy was drunk Yeah.I think the best thing to do is to laugh and joke about it.Afterall it is not true right?

Hmm not quite specific or informative enough in response to my questions...(I've no idea what kind of people these chicks are) but I guess I'll drop it because I'll just seem over-defensive

Personally, I am disgusted with some Japanese businessmen...
I don't think you need to take any bullshit.
Just tell them straight up.
We need to call up racism whenever we hear it, otherwise, this world is not gonna get any better.
It's about time to change this world.
I am a Japanese girl, living in America. I hate some American guys who are so into Asian girls cuz they think we are the sex slaves....
It REALLY bothers me when people make stupid comments when they don't know what they are talking about. Especially when it comes to race.
All I wanted to say is DON"T TAKE BULLSHIT!!

Personally, I am disgusted with some Japanese businessmen...
I don't think you need to take any bullshit.
Just tell them straight up. Even if they are offended, tough shit. Thet offended you, too.
We need to call up racism whenever we hear it, otherwise, this world is not gonna get any better.
It's about time to change this world.
I am a Japanese girl, living in America. I hate some American guys who are so into Asian girls cuz they think we are the sex slaves....
It REALLY bothers me when people make stupid comments when they don't know what they are talking about. Especially when it comes to race.

i don't think i've met anyone who thought of japanese women as superior...although i am yet to have a deep and meaningful conversation with a japanese woman...

Hajimemashite...I'm Lisa,
half angro-Australian and half Japanese.

I personally know lots of Japanese_both males and females who do NOT think asian females are superior to caucasians, they actually think caucasians are superior.
But hey, they all live in Australia_where the most residents are angrosaxons.

I have heaps of friends in Japan too but they dont
think as my Jpn friends in AU do. They do the opposite.

My mum's Japanese (though she has the citizenship here)
and she told me she was "very relieved when Lisa was born because she does not look like her mother".
She's the kind of a person who reckons caucasians are
superior.

I can understand because she used to be treated "differently" for being an asian (she loathes that word) and did not want her kids to look asian so they would not have to suffer from the same thing.
(my brother looks like a twin brother of my dad in younger age!)

Oh hey 31: CACA, I agree with ya.
Some f****n' sex-oriented guys think asian girls are great because they have a tighter p****. That's just F****N' DISRESPECTFUL.

Ah I can talk about this s**t all bloody night long.

Wow... here's a rough question. So, let's say I'm a man (white, sure), and my standard of beauty is naturally inclined toward Asian women (I'm aware this is an American PC word... other English-speaking nations have other words that are accepted as polite, maybe more polite, but I'm from the US). I prefer their features over Caucasians, in general, yet am attracted to some non-conventional Caucasian women, maybe black women, maybe others... But if I had to pick a race I was most likely to be attracted to (based on facial characteristics and skin pigmentation, followed by average body type, which is likely to vary more based on environment than any other factor) it would be Asians. And I am aware that Asian people, men and women alike, are individuals, regardless of cultural alignment. I would also in this scenario display the same preference for Asian women regardless of their nation of birth, behavior, etc. However, let's also say I'm attracted to dominant women, or maybe opinionated independent women more than meek and yielding types.

Is this offensive?

Clearly, it's a racial stereotype... and a racial fetish. But is it offensive? What I'm reading in this thread is a salaryman hates foreigners in Japan here because he perceives they get the sexing more easily here than he does... and nobody cares about what he thinks. I raised the issue in my own thread here before, arguing the foreigner advantage only works in very select situations, though it may influence others... it doesn't make up for non-communication, poverty, or flagrant ugliness. So, saying I have this racial fetish, but no culture or racist presumptions about individual human beings, am I offensive to you, as whatever you may be? Assume whatever degree of hypotheticallity you need to to answer objectively.

I am a Japanese woman and some of my Japanese female friends mas well as my bosses (Japanese women) married/dated with non-Japanese partners.

From my point of view, as well as their point of view, rather than the legal nationality or cultural backgrownd of the woman, but the personality of the woman has stronger influence to what the partner think.

For example, I know there are number of English women who work more than modern Japanese women and do house keeping. They live far from their parents house and have full-time work. They go outwith the partners as well.

On the other hand, some of my married Japanese female friends do not cook but buy pre-mail food at super markets. They do not work simply because they do not like to work. Their husbands work until midnight everyday. They keep on buying expensive brand goods. In the day time, they leave their babies to their parents' house and enjoy lunhc at cafes or hotels. They do not sleep with the husbands because they are tired from the day's activities.

I am still a single with an English boyfriend and with full-time job now. My boy friend learned how Japanese women are from practice, incuding how is my mother and my friends. They do not care about digging their ear waxes in front of husbands or boy friends, and clearn up the house probablly once a month. On the other hand, they "make up" their image in front of guests or in their office. (Ah, you see our people are double faced, there is a strict line between private and public)

He is dating me because we have same interests (we are both metalheads and nerds) and are compatible. He is good at house keeping, which is of course better than I do. He knows that Japanese women dig ear waxes in front of their partners, which does not happen for some English women. And he knows that I wear skirt in front of bosses but I am walking around with underwear at our apartment. It is more or less same for my friends and mom.

I shall show the life style of us if there are people who still belive that Japanese women are like Madam Chocho or have got dedicated characters.

Ah also they should make sure that Japanese women get hold of wallets in the house so poor "Sarariman" can spend 500-900 yen for their lunch.

A lot of non-Japanese partners find it out after they have legal comittments with their Japanese partners!!

Be careful.

クリス

I don't think that's offensive as long as
you are genuinly, and "reasonably" attracted to asians.
However it could be offensive to some indivisuals in some cases...:(

What bloody bothers me, and lots of women, is all those
men who see asian women (or sometimes half asians) as sexual objects/yellow cabs.

You might have seen heaps of asian females dating caucasians but I bet you haven't really seen its opposite, asian males dating caucasian females.
WELL, I haven't, really.
That's one of the reasons some dirty bastards think all the asian females are yellow cabs, which is NOT true.

I am half caucasian and look pretty much 外人 ..
After all these years I feel fortunate to have caucasian-looks. If I say I am happy with my non-asian appearance, will you say I'm a racist and why?

I am proud of my heritage and I love my mum and dad, for your information.

I think there is nothing wrong with to be a racial fetish.

Some of my Japanese female friends love nothing but African Americans. Because of that, some of them moved to the areas with high concentrations of African Americans and found partners. All of them married to the partners, with children, and live happily. Their partners love Asian women too. Then, they found their life styles and personalities were compatible. They are lucky people.

Personally, I see it is something likes peopling who love shorter partner, big partner, partnering with glasses etc.

As a matter of fact, I have other friends such as a Bolivian man who loves extremely huge white women (at least + 100kg), a Spanish girl who loves big African American man, a Japanese man who loves Eastern European girls, an American girl of Irish heritage who loves Japanese guys.

Of course, having stereotypes are not nice thing but each person has certain preferences over how their partners look like. Personally, I think it is just a matter of choice.

First, thanks for the replies... quick, and intriguing. First, Junjun, I know it's OT, but it seemed to segue decently, and was something I've wanted to ask about for a while. It seemed to me that there was a difference between saying "X-ese men/women are superior" and "I am primarily attracted to X-ians." Precisely because the former implies assumptions that go beyond appearance, whereas one is almost as simple as liking or disliking plaid shirts and hating pinstripes...

And May, your first post made sense to me, and is exactly what I was getting at. If someone were to date an Asian woman because they assumed the woman involved would behave like you described, that would be offensive. For me, well... More submissive people also tend to be more passive-aggressive, and I dislike that. Thus, all of my relationships are with individuals, not with an idealized image of a race/culture... A lot of what is offensive about a racial fetish is stereotyping and denying the individuality of a person, I think. As you said in your second post, at some point it reaches a point of being just a fetish (like for big women, or older women, or BDSM) IF you are able to be objective, date as an individual with an individual, and are not a racist, stereotyping idiot.

Lisa, your comments were very interesting to me, as you're Australian, and thus from a more similar background to me than a Japanese person. However, the issue you mention hating most, the stereotype of Asian women preferring white men, just isn't one I've encountered outside of Japan... And I'm on record as saying that this is only really true of Asian female racial fetishists who favor white men. They run the gamut from inoffensive normal women who find white men attractive and would like to date a white guy who is the type of guy they'd date anyway, to really creepy types who want pure, distilled foreign and are often quite offensive in the stereotypes they hold, themselves. Also, they simply ARE NOT as common as they're thought to be... It's about the visibility of this group around foreigners skewing perceptions for everyone, not the real state of affairs. They may be somewhat more statistically common in Japan than any other type of racial fetishist in any other population elsewhere, MAYBE, but that's a pretty broad statement. At home in the US, Asian people in general tend to date within their race, as all racial groups do, statistically (of course this is true in Japan as well, though the homogeneity here is a factor in that). Australia, with a much higher percentage of Asians in its population, may have issues on this point I'm unfamiliar with... I've only recently begun to read up on Australian racism, the "white Australia" policies, etc, so please excuse some of my ignorance. So, basically, that attitude seems a retarded stereotype formed by borderline to intensely racist white guys who've either been to Japan, or elsewhere managed to sleep with lots of racial fetishists. They certainly had no idea how incredibly screwed up the whole situation they were in was, and they basically are as pitiful as your average racist, just a different variety.

Also, of course I wouldn't blame you for being proud of your appearance; everyone has a right to that. You're clearly in a more complex, nuanced racial situation than I am, and have reached a positive resolution to issues you had to confront.

But as for white girls not dating Asian men as a part of this whole stereotype issue... yeah, I've heard a lot about that, including a few very vocal white girls who prefer Asian men. But they are quite rare, comparative to other racial fetishists/preferences. This is probably due to a lot of factors, and among them would be the media, the specific stereotypes of Asian men (a white man who holds to racial stereotypes would likely avoid various races, but not Asians, v.v, a white woman who does so would avoid Asian men but not other races), and so on. I generally try to question all the stereotypes I can, and disbelieve the ones about Asian men as much as those about the women... but my disbelief in this case makes no difference to the issue you're talking about.

Having read some books written by anthropologists, I started think that a part of the reason that Japanese women to date with white men is because of "curiosity" to somebody look different, somebody who have different culture. That anthropologists who stayed in Japan in 19th Century mentioned that Japanese are very curious to something different. They find that especially Japanese women are curious to foreigners. It was a period that still Japanese did not have much interaction with different races, so there were not racial perceptions as they have today.

I have dated Japanese men as well as other East Asians. I have good memories with them, but I would say that I was bored to see same faces, to be with somebody think roughly same way. I would say I am more inspired by somebody who look very different, and have very different culture. I have dated with American white men, a Russian, a Central Asian, African Americans, a Kenyan. I am currently dating with an English man. They look so different from me too so I do not get bored looking at them at home, to be honest.

I have talked to my Japanese female friends who are dating or married with partners with different ethnical backgrounds. They are quite blunt like me so we tend to talk how it is like to date or live with partners with different race. They also attracted by how the partner look like.

And I asked my partners why they date with different race. Some honest people, like my current partner said that “Yeah I think your big front teeth is really nice. So big. I tend to keep on watching you walk quickly with your little legs. I have never seen a person like that in my country. It is really cool” – So I think non-Japanese guys also think in the same way.

ViolentAJ-san:
Oh, you do not have to be too pessimistic. You may be displaced at wrong place, or surrounded by wrong people.

You are basically in the wrong market.

My two of Japanese friends got marry African Americans, one of Japanese friend is always dating with Kenyans, and another friend was dating with a Nigerian.

There are Japanese girls who likes people with African heritages.

I was grown up in a city close to US Navy base, but I used to see tonz of Japanese girls dating with African Americans every weekends.

Why does the world need you Violent AJ?

Is name calling the best you blacks can do?I will not scoop down to your level.Before you wrote that the world needs you and I asked you why.Something racist in that?
But to be honest you remind me of someone!!!! :)

No you got me all wrong.I was just curious why you said that and nothing more.I am not implying anything mr.AJ.So how come you are in Japan?