These ones are classics, but I'm sure a few of you don't know them. Great reading.
Why you SHOULD NOT learn Japanese:
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Why you SHOULD learn Japanese:
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In any way, it appears that learning Japanese highly develops your sense of frustration and self-derision. See, there's no such thing as wasted time! ;)
Why you SHOULD NOT learn Japanese:
http://
Why you SHOULD learn Japanese:
http://
In any way, it appears that learning Japanese highly develops your sense of frustration and self-derision. See, there's no such thing as wasted time! ;)
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Hmm, I would say as a general exercise in learning about the world and enriching yourself as a human being it probably is worth learning Japanese. However, it seems with Japanese, the more you learn, the less you want to know. When I first started learning Japanese, I really wanted to understand TV shows and comedians. 8 years later my Japanese improved and I realised that Japanese TV is all total and utter crap unless you like shows about who can fart the loudest. In Japan, more often than not, there is less than meets the eye.
It can be frustrating learning japanese, as it exposes the Japanese for what they are - normal people. For better or worse, they are no different than we, with no inherent specialness that we had ascribed to them in our ignorance.
I've seen a lot of bi-cultural marriages fall apart because of this, as the both sides thinking the other was special, understanding and kind because they simply couldn't communicate. They just believed that they were. And then once they did learn to communicate, the humble truth of their personalities became known.
There is some sort of strange justice in this.
It has never bothered me much, I've never asked the world to be special for me. And there is still a lot to appreciate, in any culture, when you learn to look for what there is to appreciate. Instead of asking it to conform to your personal beliefs, of which a culture has not the slightest care in the world.
I've seen a lot of bi-cultural marriages fall apart because of this, as the both sides thinking the other was special, understanding and kind because they simply couldn't communicate. They just believed that they were. And then once they did learn to communicate, the humble truth of their personalities became known.
There is some sort of strange justice in this.
It has never bothered me much, I've never asked the world to be special for me. And there is still a lot to appreciate, in any culture, when you learn to look for what there is to appreciate. Instead of asking it to conform to your personal beliefs, of which a culture has not the slightest care in the world.
When in Rome and all that jazz.
I know I'm a lazy bum with working on my Japanese... mostly that is because I always hated doing vocab work... and vocab work when you have to learn the characters is annoying.
It should of course be noted for posterity that the 'not learn Japanese' site is so frustrating that it has frustrated itself out of the debate... and there is now no reason for not learning Japanese.
*goes back to his Japanese for Busy People and clambers off the ramen box*
I know I'm a lazy bum with working on my Japanese... mostly that is because I always hated doing vocab work... and vocab work when you have to learn the characters is annoying.
It should of course be noted for posterity that the 'not learn Japanese' site is so frustrating that it has frustrated itself out of the debate... and there is now no reason for not learning Japanese.
*goes back to his Japanese for Busy People and clambers off the ramen box*
a few random thoughts.
about the bi-cultural couple thing. sha. a big part of being friends with foreigners is that you can just pretend any tiff between you is just "cultural misunderstanding" or "miscommunication"
what's sad about learning japanese is yeah, once people learn it, they figure out they don't really like japan or japanese people. at least that's the impression i get from a lot of people.
i think with any language learning, you should have a good reason. "i love anime" ? not the best reason. you have a good friend who is japanese? great reason. all languages get difficult as you get higher up, so the extra studying and sheer crap work of language-learning should already be added in, the decision is choosing whether to learn japanese or some other language, really, isn't it?
about the bi-cultural couple thing. sha. a big part of being friends with foreigners is that you can just pretend any tiff between you is just "cultural misunderstanding" or "miscommunication"
what's sad about learning japanese is yeah, once people learn it, they figure out they don't really like japan or japanese people. at least that's the impression i get from a lot of people.
i think with any language learning, you should have a good reason. "i love anime" ? not the best reason. you have a good friend who is japanese? great reason. all languages get difficult as you get higher up, so the extra studying and sheer crap work of language-learning should already be added in, the decision is choosing whether to learn japanese or some other language, really, isn't it?
...or just superficially learning all the languages you can! english, spanish, portuguese, french... and finally, why not japanese?
well, japanese has been the biggest challenge for me so far, probably because i had no "reason" to learn japanese other than my curiosity and the CHALLENGE itself. seven years later, i have to concur somewhat with alex. japanese POP culture is quite vapid--which should surprise no one.
the written language tends to separate us from the goal of finding the cool stuff that IS out there. my examples for comparison are the other ROMAJI-based languages i've already studied.
it's easy to blame our lack of learning or desire to learn on "cultural differences," or we can get out there with a positive attitude and make our own "TV programs" about the whole zaney process of integrating into other societies... ねアレックス？
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well, japanese has been the biggest challenge for me so far, probably because i had no "reason" to learn japanese other than my curiosity and the CHALLENGE itself. seven years later, i have to concur somewhat with alex. japanese POP culture is quite vapid--which should surprise no one.
the written language tends to separate us from the goal of finding the cool stuff that IS out there. my examples for comparison are the other ROMAJI-based languages i've already studied.
it's easy to blame our lack of learning or desire to learn on "cultural differences," or we can get out there with a positive attitude and make our own "TV programs" about the whole zaney process of integrating into other societies... ねアレックス？
NEWS FROM THE OTHER SIDE
http://mixi.jp/view_community.pl?id=548601
The only reason for not learning Japanese for me is that you are simply not into it. When I went to uni about 10 years ago there were only about 4 or five places you could study Japanese in the UK. Japanese was given this aura of impossibility and black belt difficulty. Only those linguistic nerds who had done Arabic might consider Japanese. Of course writing is hard and Rob is right in that Kanji is one of the biggest barriers to getting into Japanese culture. However speaking Japanese is not hard, at least on an everyday conversatonal level; pronunciation is easier than French and Chinese, the grammar is way easier than German and English. AND you get a lot more free drinks for your crap Japanese where as in France they thought ( quite rightly ) I was an idiot for not speaking fluent French. And one of the most frustrating languages to learn must be English; the grammar has more exceptions than rules and the spelling is fucking ridiculous.
Personally, I was a bit of a kanji nerd in my college days which got me though writing Japanese. And the only reason I ever studied Japanese was simply becasue I was fascinated by it.
Personally, I was a bit of a kanji nerd in my college days which got me though writing Japanese. And the only reason I ever studied Japanese was simply becasue I was fascinated by it.
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