Hi kids, at a measly 27 years old, am I too far out in left field to think that responding with shorthand English will evince no one of your opinion's worth?
I realize that people can use mixi mobile - and the occasional infraction doesn't bother me (I'm not _that_ anal retentive); however, to see a flood of responses on the board in cell phone English seems... offensive to the eyes.
Comparitively, I wonder if any Japanese people might feel the same way seeing things like
"日月日（ょ、（）つもょ（ノ（ょゃｋUで ナょ（）?日寺ｐ日ｑカゞナょ〜（）シ立。" all of the place.
"l8tr/thx 4 readin",
CR
I realize that people can use mixi mobile - and the occasional infraction doesn't bother me (I'm not _that_ anal retentive); however, to see a flood of responses on the board in cell phone English seems... offensive to the eyes.
Comparitively, I wonder if any Japanese people might feel the same way seeing things like
"日月日（ょ、（）つもょ（ノ（ょゃｋUで ナょ（）?日寺ｐ日ｑカゞナょ〜（）シ立。" all of the place.
"l8tr/thx 4 readin",
CR
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I personally don't like "shorthand" English. If you ask me, it makes the writer look stupid, not to mention the fact that it's much harder to understand - at least for me. Sure, "u" and "r" instead of "you" and "are" may save you a few key strokes, but if you are a decent typist, I don't think spelling them all out costs you much more time, if at all.
Everyone has their own opinion, but I think the way people type is a direct reflection of their character. Basically, people who consistently prefer to write "u" instead of "you" or "r" instead of "are" are in a way, ghetto. I read engineering trade journals, financial newspapers like The Wall Street Journal and Financial Times, and online articles. I expect quality, especially if I pay for it. A misspelling here or there may be forgivable, but subconsciously it could be viewed as careless. A blatant misspelling just makes me think you're uneducated or too lazy to type things properly.
When I was in Japan, I wrote long e-mails in English on my phone. (au was so awesome for that.) If I wanted to save time, I'd just write in Japanese, even with an American. But I'd still write complete sentences in Japanese.
I don't subscribe to the "evolving online counter-culture" crap that people would use to excuse themselves for being a lazy ass. They should be doing things the proper way.
When I was in Japan, I wrote long e-mails in English on my phone. (au was so awesome for that.) If I wanted to save time, I'd just write in Japanese, even with an American. But I'd still write complete sentences in Japanese.
I don't subscribe to the "evolving online counter-culture" crap that people would use to excuse themselves for being a lazy ass. They should be doing things the proper way.
You're definitely not too old. I'm 18 and think using shorthand English will only have bad effects down the road. They say American English (I'm American) is already simplified; just imagine it in 20 or 30 years if shorthand continues to proliferate.
It's hard to read and simply lazy on the part of the writer. I can understand using it on a cell phone because those things are the worst possible things to type on, but when using a regular keyboard, proper grammar is far better.
It's hard to read and simply lazy on the part of the writer. I can understand using it on a cell phone because those things are the worst possible things to type on, but when using a regular keyboard, proper grammar is far better.
I personally use proper English in most settings but I'm not offended by other people using shorthand. I think it's just a matter of knowing when and where to use different kinds of English. Keep your shorthand away from business letters but at the same time there's no need to be overly sophisticated in a place like Mixi. Language is an evolving entity and shorthand is just another new step in the development of the English language. At the same time there are aspects of English that are becoming obsolete too.
The same goes for the Japanese language. In fact, it seems like Japanese is taking larger steps in this sense as modern Japanese varies a great deal compared to, let's say, Japanese from 100 years ago where as English has remained relatively unchanged (even with shorthand).
The same goes for the Japanese language. In fact, it seems like Japanese is taking larger steps in this sense as modern Japanese varies a great deal compared to, let's say, Japanese from 100 years ago where as English has remained relatively unchanged (even with shorthand).
It is lazy to use shorthand, but when one is posting on the net, it is usually not a master's thesis, so I don't care. Typos and such do not bother me, as long as what is being written makes sense. Grammatical errors piss me off more than typos or shorthand.
Some of the shorthand is also a part of l33t, so it may be more forgiveable.
Some of the shorthand is also a part of l33t, so it may be more forgiveable.
Native speakers - shush! :-) Most of the native speakers on here are fairly well behaved (As you are mostly using PCs to access this site? hmm...)
Actually, what I was sort of driving at in this thread was that as language learners, in order to "master" a particular conversational pattern, we tend over use / use conversational patterns unnaturally. As such, I've seen a surprisingly large number of responses in other threads from non-native speakers using shorthand English.
I suppose this thread is my way of passive-aggressively pointing out the error of their ways. Shorthand is nice, but it has its place.
I'm not sure about 15yr olds these days - I've seen a few teenager IM logs and my brain promptly blew up ;_;
Actually, what I was sort of driving at in this thread was that as language learners, in order to "master" a particular conversational pattern, we tend over use / use conversational patterns unnaturally. As such, I've seen a surprisingly large number of responses in other threads from non-native speakers using shorthand English.
I suppose this thread is my way of passive-aggressively pointing out the error of their ways. Shorthand is nice, but it has its place.
I'm not sure about 15yr olds these days - I've seen a few teenager IM logs and my brain promptly blew up ;_;
I was kind of surprised seeing young japanese were also using this "different spelling".... I first saw it in English, with l33t script, and all that underground scene... a long time ago it was used so you wouldn't be easly detected and such, but today... I guess is just to "look cool". I, particularly, don't like it, even if I do know how to read like that. In portuguese they also really "hacking the language"... somehow the worse you spell a word, the "cooler" you are.
Maybe we are getting old, but I find it distracting having to figure what people write, when they start using this "different spelling" and the lack of punctuation.
I just think no one knows everything, but if you at least try to write it properly, people should find it easier to understand what you're saying, even if you do make some mistakes.
I'm a beginner at Japanese, so I make a lot of mistakes... but I try to write as properly as I can. Not always formal... although it seems easier for now.
If I received a message like that I would genuinely think there was a problem with encoding. ^___^
Maybe we are getting old, but I find it distracting having to figure what people write, when they start using this "different spelling" and the lack of punctuation.
I just think no one knows everything, but if you at least try to write it properly, people should find it easier to understand what you're saying, even if you do make some mistakes.
I'm a beginner at Japanese, so I make a lot of mistakes... but I try to write as properly as I can. Not always formal... although it seems easier for now.
If I received a message like that I would genuinely think there was a problem with encoding. ^___^
Wow, I guess I'll never be able to read the mangled Japanese those younger kids are using. The l33t script that cool hax0rs use is not that hard to interpret in comparison. It was funny that Microsoft actually wrote an article on how to understand l33t so that parents could read their children's messages.
What I find more offensive however, is the method of alternating capitalization of every second letter.
For example:
wHaT i fInD mOrE oFfEnSiVe hOwEvEr iS tHe mEtHoD oF aLtErNaTiNg cApItAlIzAtIoN oF eVeRy sEcOnD lEtTeR.
It is painful for the eyes, and it takes forever to write out.
At least we can be thankful it isn't "cool" to be writing in binary.
01010010111110101001101011101001011110101001010111010110
or whatever.
What I find more offensive however, is the method of alternating capitalization of every second letter.
For example:
wHaT i fInD mOrE oFfEnSiVe hOwEvEr iS tHe mEtHoD oF aLtErNaTiNg cApItAlIzAtIoN oF eVeRy sEcOnD lEtTeR.
It is painful for the eyes, and it takes forever to write out.
At least we can be thankful it isn't "cool" to be writing in binary.
01010010111110101001101011101001011110101001010111010110
or whatever.
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