Saw this article titled "Japan mulls limiting foreign residents to 3 percent of population" on Mainichi Daily. Full story is at http://
First, are you Japanese?
Second, do you think that limiting foreigners is the right thing for Japan to do?
First, are you Japanese?
Second, do you think that limiting foreigners is the right thing for Japan to do?
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I've already read that article, and I'm concerned about the context of the terms in the article. It's whether or not they are referring to foreigners residing in Japan, or foreigners with residency, that is a bit hard to decide at this point.
Either way, it's yet another politician panicking at the thought the country is going to need foreigners to keep things going through this low birth rate.
Either way, it's yet another politician panicking at the thought the country is going to need foreigners to keep things going through this low birth rate.
I am not Japanese, I am a foreign resident in China and here it doesn't seem to have any limit for foreigners resident.
I can understand the country wants to protect itself from "invaders". Especialy an island country. But I don't think it is the right thing to do.
I heard that this year the death rate is more important than the birth rate in Japan.
I can understand the country wants to protect itself from "invaders". Especialy an island country. But I don't think it is the right thing to do.
I heard that this year the death rate is more important than the birth rate in Japan.
I guess it's because of all the supposed 'Asian' criminals that operate in Japan.
Instead of victimizing legitimate foreign residents of the country, the Japanese police should toughen up a little more and be able to deal with the problems.
Rules like this will only result in xenophobic and anti-foreigner attitudes amongst the masses.
Instead of victimizing legitimate foreign residents of the country, the Japanese police should toughen up a little more and be able to deal with the problems.
Rules like this will only result in xenophobic and anti-foreigner attitudes amongst the masses.
Being Japanese, I feel ashamed that a policy like that is being seriously considered in Japan. Letting any foreigner in may not be the brightest idea, but where does the number (3 percent) come from? They're saying that they want to limit the number of foreigners in Japan just so their children will be able to receive adequate education there. I'd call bulls*** on that.
I am American by birth, but once I took residency in Japan, my xenophobic nature kicked right in. We have a overpopulation problem as it is in Tokyo. Kick all those foreigners out (Except me and my chickies) and kill all those effiminate Japanese dudes and I might be able to find a place to park my car.
We need foreigners as a source of cheap labor, since all those kids in Shibuya would rather get tans in a can than actually earn a real wage. So we should actually keep the foreigners, and kick some of the domestic morons out.
My maid works very hard. I don't think I could get the same work ethic from some random tosser in Shibuya.
Or we could use the excess people (foerigner or otherwise) as a food source for my pet cat.
IN order to drive tax revenue you need to have legitimiate foreigners making money and payign taxes. Since all those Shibuya kids are either NEETs or working as host/hostesses, they are not helping the economy (and should therefore be turned into cheap foodstuffs).
We need foreigners as a source of cheap labor, since all those kids in Shibuya would rather get tans in a can than actually earn a real wage. So we should actually keep the foreigners, and kick some of the domestic morons out.
My maid works very hard. I don't think I could get the same work ethic from some random tosser in Shibuya.
Or we could use the excess people (foerigner or otherwise) as a food source for my pet cat.
IN order to drive tax revenue you need to have legitimiate foreigners making money and payign taxes. Since all those Shibuya kids are either NEETs or working as host/hostesses, they are not helping the economy (and should therefore be turned into cheap foodstuffs).
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lol i took it the same way.
for better or worse, i think the japanese language itself has been acting as an invisible barrier all these years. requiring foreign residents fluency in japanese will only result in increasing the immigration volume as it did in germany and france. funny sometimes those people in kasumigaseki just can't get the big picture.
lol i took it the same way.
for better or worse, i think the japanese language itself has been acting as an invisible barrier all these years. requiring foreign residents fluency in japanese will only result in increasing the immigration volume as it did in germany and france. funny sometimes those people in kasumigaseki just can't get the big picture.
I'm not going to comment on this beyond saying that any such legislation would not only be loony, but suicide. At the current birthrate Japanese are slated to become extinct by about the year 2300. Who's going to pick up the slack? Who's going to do all the jobs regular Japanese don't want to do? Who's going to support all the people who retire over the next 20 years, while no more babies are being born because of the inept Japanese government supporting big businesses over mothers? The answer, my friends, is foreigners.
actually, the Japanese ministry of Education wants to have 100.000 foreign students in the country this year. all their policies seem to be directed into bringing more (qualified) foreigners, especially with higher education.
I hope on being one of those 100.000 foreign students, but being undergraduate (I want to do a 7-month architecture internship in the Architecture Department of the University of Tokio in order to obtain the graduate degree), I am having a hard time finding scolarships... lol Any ideas?
Anyway, I think limiting foreigners is not a good option. However I do defend that facilitating the entry to people with a higher education is certainly a good policy, although it does not solve everything, but it stops things from getting worse. and I agree with the posters, making "harufu" babies is the way for Japan to still exist in year 2300 lol... I'll do my best in that category to help! ^_^ Now, if only I can get that scolarship.... :p
I hope on being one of those 100.000 foreign students, but being undergraduate (I want to do a 7-month architecture internship in the Architecture Department of the University of Tokio in order to obtain the graduate degree), I am having a hard time finding scolarships... lol Any ideas?
Anyway, I think limiting foreigners is not a good option. However I do defend that facilitating the entry to people with a higher education is certainly a good policy, although it does not solve everything, but it stops things from getting worse. and I agree with the posters, making "harufu" babies is the way for Japan to still exist in year 2300 lol... I'll do my best in that category to help! ^_^ Now, if only I can get that scolarship.... :p
>> I do defend that facilitating the entry to people
>> with a higher education is certainly a good policy
I'm not sure about that. I won't preach my idealism to you, but even from the practical point of view, Japan could use more people to do the jobs that the Japanese citizens somehow refuse to do.
As for making more babies, I doubt it will happen considering the current social and economic climate. Raising one child is hard enough for a couple. It certainly doesn't help that the Japanese society is not all the nice to couples (esp. women) who try to work and raise children at the same time.
>> with a higher education is certainly a good policy
I'm not sure about that. I won't preach my idealism to you, but even from the practical point of view, Japan could use more people to do the jobs that the Japanese citizens somehow refuse to do.
As for making more babies, I doubt it will happen considering the current social and economic climate. Raising one child is hard enough for a couple. It certainly doesn't help that the Japanese society is not all the nice to couples (esp. women) who try to work and raise children at the same time.
Its difficult for us Americans to understand their perspective as we are a country based on immigration and assimilation. Especially here in the Bay Area, it almost seems traditional "white" Americans are the minority. The influx of Mexican, Indian, and Chinese people is astounding.
Keep in mind that Japan used to be blocked off to the outside world for centuries and has always prided itself on its homogeneous population. I do agree that foreigners would help out, but its a sensitive issue since the Japanese have pride and history with them. The stigma lasts to this day. I don't think its fair to judge this issue from our standards. In the end i think we have to respect their judgement and a limit on immigration would satisfy both ends.
Keep in mind that Japan used to be blocked off to the outside world for centuries and has always prided itself on its homogeneous population. I do agree that foreigners would help out, but its a sensitive issue since the Japanese have pride and history with them. The stigma lasts to this day. I don't think its fair to judge this issue from our standards. In the end i think we have to respect their judgement and a limit on immigration would satisfy both ends.
史上最悪の…，
The same thing is happening right here in the U.S. The conservative folks want to drive out all the illegal immigrants, retain the cap on the number of H-1B visas that can be issued to qualified foreigners, etc. I find this trend quite disturbing, partly because like you said, the U.S. _is_ a country based on immigration.
As for the Japanese pride and history, I'm all fine with it as long as it does not become arrogance and xenophobia. I live outside Japan, but I keep hearing their conservative media rant about the "foreign criminals" and how they've made Japan a dangerous country to live in. What crap. I don't have the numbers here, but I bet the ratio of the Japanese criminals to the Japanese population is still higher than that of the foreign criminals to the foreign population in Japan.
The same thing is happening right here in the U.S. The conservative folks want to drive out all the illegal immigrants, retain the cap on the number of H-1B visas that can be issued to qualified foreigners, etc. I find this trend quite disturbing, partly because like you said, the U.S. _is_ a country based on immigration.
As for the Japanese pride and history, I'm all fine with it as long as it does not become arrogance and xenophobia. I live outside Japan, but I keep hearing their conservative media rant about the "foreign criminals" and how they've made Japan a dangerous country to live in. What crap. I don't have the numbers here, but I bet the ratio of the Japanese criminals to the Japanese population is still higher than that of the foreign criminals to the foreign population in Japan.
Whenever the politicians and police start bringing up the "foreigners are committing crimes" statements, they include visa violations in the overall "crime" tally, which is by far the overwhelming majority of crimes committed by foreigners. If they just concentrated on actual crimes, of theft or whatnot, the actual percentage is as the same ratio (or less) than the Japanese.
However, it's far easier to point a finger at the Foreign Devils than it is to simply admit they have a problem, one that started after the bubble burst over a decade ago. One Peruvian commits a horrific crime, and they talk of throwing out all the foreigners - 10 Japanese commit just as horrific of crimes, and everybody just talks about how horrible it is.
I feel that the real root of the problem in Japan has to do with the fact that Japanese politics is still dominated by a group of old men that do, literally, date back to world war II, and have a hard time letting the past go.
However, it's far easier to point a finger at the Foreign Devils than it is to simply admit they have a problem, one that started after the bubble burst over a decade ago. One Peruvian commits a horrific crime, and they talk of throwing out all the foreigners - 10 Japanese commit just as horrific of crimes, and everybody just talks about how horrible it is.
I feel that the real root of the problem in Japan has to do with the fact that Japanese politics is still dominated by a group of old men that do, literally, date back to world war II, and have a hard time letting the past go.
This 3% "limitation" (probably unenforceable) is not a realistic concern.
The current 1.2% foreign population in Japan (about 1.5 million foreigners) would have to increase significantly while the Japanese population gradually decreases in the future. Say when Japan's population becomes 100 million from the current 125 million, the foreign population would have to double to 3 million within that span for this "limitation" to be of concern. How long does it take for foreign population in Japan to double?
And in the meantime, idealism of immigration seems to be fading away across the western world. So you can't expect Japan to adopt American (or even French) style immigration policies in this climate.
The current 1.2% foreign population in Japan (about 1.5 million foreigners) would have to increase significantly while the Japanese population gradually decreases in the future. Say when Japan's population becomes 100 million from the current 125 million, the foreign population would have to double to 3 million within that span for this "limitation" to be of concern. How long does it take for foreign population in Japan to double?
And in the meantime, idealism of immigration seems to be fading away across the western world. So you can't expect Japan to adopt American (or even French) style immigration policies in this climate.
i am not japanese - just in case some do not realize.
seems to me that this 3% edict is a reasonable attempt to preserve japanese heritage while not being as strict as totally closing their borders like they did in that period of history.
whether it is a 3% of total population limit, or a cap on permanent/limited residency visas, the effect is the same: to keep the foreign population from becoming the majority of headcount.
here in america, some anglo-americans feel that they are becoming a minority, but they are still by far the majority in socio-economic power.
regardless of the ministry's lame-sounding rationale, it just seems a vehicle for preserving their country as they invision (sp?) it. not likely to change things much in reality.
cheers...
seems to me that this 3% edict is a reasonable attempt to preserve japanese heritage while not being as strict as totally closing their borders like they did in that period of history.
whether it is a 3% of total population limit, or a cap on permanent/limited residency visas, the effect is the same: to keep the foreign population from becoming the majority of headcount.
here in america, some anglo-americans feel that they are becoming a minority, but they are still by far the majority in socio-economic power.
regardless of the ministry's lame-sounding rationale, it just seems a vehicle for preserving their country as they invision (sp?) it. not likely to change things much in reality.
cheers...
さぃ…：
It may happen quicker than you might imagine. Children born from a non-Japanese couple will be foreigners under the current Japanese laws. :)
Also, with the population decreasing, Japan will need more foreigners to fill in more and more employment positions - not only those that the spoilt Japanese brats will not take but also more demanding positions such as nurses.
It may happen quicker than you might imagine. Children born from a non-Japanese couple will be foreigners under the current Japanese laws. :)
Also, with the population decreasing, Japan will need more foreigners to fill in more and more employment positions - not only those that the spoilt Japanese brats will not take but also more demanding positions such as nurses.
I'm not Japanese. I'm American.
I think limiting the amount of foreigners who can live in Japan is the right thing to do for Japan. It might not work for a lot of other countries, but considering Japan's population is so high on that tiny island, the last thing they need is a horde of foreigners making it even worse.
I think limiting the amount of foreigners who can live in Japan is the right thing to do for Japan. It might not work for a lot of other countries, but considering Japan's population is so high on that tiny island, the last thing they need is a horde of foreigners making it even worse.
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