Hello!
Has anybody else here seen "Ally McBeal" that is an American TV drama?
I guess quite a few people have.
Well, when I saw this drama, I came up with a question.
Ally is a Caucasian American.
She lives with an African-American roommate.
Back in 1994, I studied at a community college in just another
small town in Colorado as an exchange student.
Many students including me lived in dormitory on campus.
Basically, everybody has a roommate.
How did they make pairs?
They did it on musical preference which evey each student had
filled out.
I remember there were four choices: rock, alternative, country, and r&b.
Then there was no ebony ivory kind of room in our dorm
and other dorms on campus.
Jugle fever
was an everyday thing, I mean,.. an everynight thing
though. African-American boys (especially basketball players) were
quite popular.
Anyway, from my little experience in Colorado, I feel it's quite
unreal that the same sex of Caucasian-Americans and African-Americans
live together as roommates unless they are gay or lesbian.
Sorry, I know I could be sooooooooooooooooooo wrong
I only know one small town in one state.
I've never even been to New York or Los Angels.
Things could be quite different in big cities.
But I don't think I'm wrong to say there is so much American idealism
of racial integration in entertainment media whatever the reality is
like.
Does anybody remember an 80's comedy film called "Jumpin' Jack Flash"?
Whoopi Goldberg played a heroine who loved listening to rock music
such as the Rolling Stones, and Mott the Hoople.
I felt that was super unreal.
Am I wrong?
Has anybody else here seen "Ally McBeal" that is an American TV drama?
I guess quite a few people have.
Well, when I saw this drama, I came up with a question.
Ally is a Caucasian American.
She lives with an African-American roommate.
Back in 1994, I studied at a community college in just another
small town in Colorado as an exchange student.
Many students including me lived in dormitory on campus.
Basically, everybody has a roommate.
How did they make pairs?
They did it on musical preference which evey each student had
filled out.
I remember there were four choices: rock, alternative, country, and r&b.
Then there was no ebony ivory kind of room in our dorm
and other dorms on campus.
Jugle fever
was an everyday thing, I mean,.. an everynight thing though. African-American boys (especially basketball players) were
quite popular.
Anyway, from my little experience in Colorado, I feel it's quite
unreal that the same sex of Caucasian-Americans and African-Americans
live together as roommates unless they are gay or lesbian.
Sorry, I know I could be sooooooooooooooooooo wrong
I only know one small town in one state.
I've never even been to New York or Los Angels.
Things could be quite different in big cities.
But I don't think I'm wrong to say there is so much American idealism
of racial integration in entertainment media whatever the reality is
like.
Does anybody remember an 80's comedy film called "Jumpin' Jack Flash"?
Whoopi Goldberg played a heroine who loved listening to rock music
such as the Rolling Stones, and Mott the Hoople.
I felt that was super unreal.
Am I wrong?
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"American idealism of racial integration in entertainment media whatever the reality is
like. "
Also there isn't any idealism regarding integration its a statement of reality. Americans have me integrating for quite sometime it didn't take the media to tell us it was cool to do.
Maybe i'm misreading you but i think i understand your statement please tell me if i'm wrong.
like. "
Also there isn't any idealism regarding integration its a statement of reality. Americans have me integrating for quite sometime it didn't take the media to tell us it was cool to do.
Maybe i'm misreading you but i think i understand your statement please tell me if i'm wrong.
i suppose there could be less integration in smaller cities/towns just because it lacks diversity and population compared to larger cites... but hmmm... you may be living in the past.
but black people who like rock is unrealistic?? yet there's the sushi boom in north america and europe, japan sure does have a lot of hamburger chains and pasta/pizza joints, and i know lots of black people obsessed with japanese animation, and me, i'm white and asian and didn't care too much for music till i met jazz, funk, and soul
people are people my dear, we're allowed to like and get along with anyone and anything we want
>If a colored person gives an opinion like:
It's idealism that a Caucasian and Yellow-Asian make an intimate relationship.
you mean black? i'll tell him you're sleeping with a product of such a relationship
but black people who like rock is unrealistic?? yet there's the sushi boom in north america and europe, japan sure does have a lot of hamburger chains and pasta/pizza joints, and i know lots of black people obsessed with japanese animation, and me, i'm white and asian and didn't care too much for music till i met jazz, funk, and soul
people are people my dear, we're allowed to like and get along with anyone and anything we want
>If a colored person gives an opinion like:
It's idealism that a Caucasian and Yellow-Asian make an intimate relationship.
you mean black? i'll tell him you're sleeping with a product of such a relationship
I think it would be important to know your background.
I'm from a small town in Colorado (very near to Denver), I have also lived in LA, San Diego and Seattle, and I have noticed a huge difference between here (Japan) and the US. Japan is 99% Japanese!!! Of course racial integration would be extremely rare here, Japan is a VERY ethnocentric country. For the most part, people prefer what they know and have been around their entire life. This is true anywhere in the world.
I am going to assume you're Japanese, raised in Japan. So, with that assumption, I don't think your thoughts are odd... just far from reality (in the US). My two best friends are African-Americans and I am Caucasian-American, for us to live together as straight males would be fairly normal and accepted in the USA. Of course, there are still a few ignorant and racist areas (i.e. THE SOUTH), where people might look at you differently because of it. But that's a very small portion of the US.
Keep in mind, 40+ years ago, this would NOT have been acceptable in the USA. Things change.
I'm from a small town in Colorado (very near to Denver), I have also lived in LA, San Diego and Seattle, and I have noticed a huge difference between here (Japan) and the US. Japan is 99% Japanese!!! Of course racial integration would be extremely rare here, Japan is a VERY ethnocentric country. For the most part, people prefer what they know and have been around their entire life. This is true anywhere in the world.
I am going to assume you're Japanese, raised in Japan. So, with that assumption, I don't think your thoughts are odd... just far from reality (in the US). My two best friends are African-Americans and I am Caucasian-American, for us to live together as straight males would be fairly normal and accepted in the USA. Of course, there are still a few ignorant and racist areas (i.e. THE SOUTH), where people might look at you differently because of it. But that's a very small portion of the US.
Keep in mind, 40+ years ago, this would NOT have been acceptable in the USA. Things change.
I haven't written or spoken in English for ages.
This time I guess I sounded like politically incorrect or arrogant
even though I didn't intend to do so.
Sorry if anybody felt offended though
I created this thread simply out of my curiosity.
>>666
Well, I know Jimi Hendrix. The vast majority of his fans in America
back then were Caucasian. Most African-Americans were not into
such music.
Well, I said curiosity. I'm not stating opinions.
I simply want to know tiny little things that few people ever seem
to care or want to know.
Let's say, for example, if there is an REM concert in New York City and
it has 10000 audience, about how many African-American people would be there?
Is this question itself politically incorrect?
Can I call it "cultural study"?
This time I guess I sounded like politically incorrect or arrogant
even though I didn't intend to do so.
Sorry if anybody felt offended though
I created this thread simply out of my curiosity.
>>666
Well, I know Jimi Hendrix. The vast majority of his fans in America
back then were Caucasian. Most African-Americans were not into
such music.
Well, I said curiosity. I'm not stating opinions.
I simply want to know tiny little things that few people ever seem
to care or want to know.
Let's say, for example, if there is an REM concert in New York City and
it has 10000 audience, about how many African-American people would be there?
Is this question itself politically incorrect?
Can I call it "cultural study"?
As I said, there was no ebony ivory room in our dorm and other dorms
on campus when I attended the college in Colorado.
They made pairs according to their musical preference
(rock, alternative, country, and r&b). So I could say
there was not much possibility of ebony ivory in the fast place.
Are them pairs made like this in other colleges or universities
in America as well?
Of course, I'm not saying it's wrong. Everybody gives a damn about
music. So do I
on campus when I attended the college in Colorado.
They made pairs according to their musical preference
(rock, alternative, country, and r&b). So I could say
there was not much possibility of ebony ivory in the fast place.
Are them pairs made like this in other colleges or universities
in America as well?
Of course, I'm not saying it's wrong. Everybody gives a damn about
music. So do I
My brother had a college roommate who was black (assigned randomly). So did a couple of people living near me in the dorm.
Also when I was sharing an apartment and a roommate graduated early, I advertised in the paper and a black guy moved in for the last half of that year.
None of it seemed strange to me at the time. Maybe it depends on the college.
Also when I was sharing an apartment and a roommate graduated early, I advertised in the paper and a black guy moved in for the last half of that year.
None of it seemed strange to me at the time. Maybe it depends on the college.
i think it's pretty wise to pair up roommates according to musical taste. No one wants music that's not for him. (But these days, it's an ipod era, tho 
)
let me give you this wonderful music site again in case you haven't gone there yet. Now how many black people love this?
http://www.jango.com/stations/2344633;tunein?u=0&index=33&proxy_id=
)
let me give you this wonderful music site again in case you haven't gone there yet. Now how many black people love this?
http://www.jango.com/stations/2344633;tunein?u=0&index=33&proxy_id=
There are a lot of blacks that like rock music but are sometimes are scared to admit it. There is a stereotype that blacks are only into hip-hop and R&B and some black are said to be "Acting like a white person" if they listen to rock. So they just don't tell everyone that they like rock music.
Some of my closest friends are huge rock and alternative fans. One of them is a super huge fan of J-rock as well and is totally obsessed with Gackt. They don't really care what other people think about there music taste though.
My roommate was the same race as me (black). We'd been friends since elementary school so it jus made sense to us to share a room. But my next door neighbors was a Filipino girl and a white girl. We all had different interests but we hung out a lot because we just had fun together.
Some of my closest friends are huge rock and alternative fans. One of them is a super huge fan of J-rock as well and is totally obsessed with Gackt. They don't really care what other people think about there music taste though.
My roommate was the same race as me (black). We'd been friends since elementary school so it jus made sense to us to share a room. But my next door neighbors was a Filipino girl and a white girl. We all had different interests but we hung out a lot because we just had fun together.
>> Well, I know Jimi Hendrix. The vast majority of his fans in America
>> back then were Caucasian. Most African-Americans were not into
>> such music.
You're talking about the 60's. I wasn't around back then, but I believe it's safe to say that the racial situations in the U.S. are a LOT different now than 40-45 years ago. Martin Luther King, Jr. made the famous speech "I have a dream" in 1963!
I live in Seattle. The local university I went to was (and probably still is) 90% Caucasian, but we did have dorm rooms with mixed races. Heck, I (Asian) had a Caucasian roommate myself. :)
>> back then were Caucasian. Most African-Americans were not into
>> such music.
You're talking about the 60's. I wasn't around back then, but I believe it's safe to say that the racial situations in the U.S. are a LOT different now than 40-45 years ago. Martin Luther King, Jr. made the famous speech "I have a dream" in 1963!
I live in Seattle. The local university I went to was (and probably still is) 90% Caucasian, but we did have dorm rooms with mixed races. Heck, I (Asian) had a Caucasian roommate myself. :)
My roommate is white. I'm perfectly straight, and my boyfriend is also white.
I listen to rock, death metal, alternative, classic rock, punk, etc. I also listen to pre-2000s, hip-hop and soul. This does not make me special by any means, but I have gotten told that I'm "Acting White." for it. I listen to J-Rock and J-Pop now and I'm actually given quite a bit of flack for it.
Also, depending on where you were in Colorado, Black people were probably a serious minority. You have to take into account numbers and other things.
I listen to rock, death metal, alternative, classic rock, punk, etc. I also listen to pre-2000s, hip-hop and soul. This does not make me special by any means, but I have gotten told that I'm "Acting White." for it. I listen to J-Rock and J-Pop now and I'm actually given quite a bit of flack for it.
Also, depending on where you were in Colorado, Black people were probably a serious minority. You have to take into account numbers and other things.
Um... what?
I never post in this forum thing, but I felt rather compelled to comment.
First "ebony and ivory"? You see, this is the problem with using music as a basis for language acquisition. You begin to say things that are culturally outdated and at times just sound down right ignorant. However, I won't fault you on that because I personally think my Japanese is often offensive and deplorable.
Anyway, in an answer to your question, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that ALL college and university roommate assignments in America are assigned on a random basis unless the roommates-to-be filled out a form beforehand requesting to live together. It is absolutely illegal to assign rooms or anything of the sort on the basis of race (or any other such things). Therefore, of course there are a lot of blacks and whites (and *insert every other ethnic group here*s) living together, it's just a matter of numbers.
There are less black people in America than whites. Naturally there would be less of a "black presence" at REM concerts and the like. Just as a reference, I went to a Ludacris concert at my university last year, and the overwhelming majority of the audience was white.
Of course race relations in the United States are not ideal, but a black and white person living together (while possibly not typical statistically) is by no means extraordinary.
I never post in this forum thing, but I felt rather compelled to comment.
First "ebony and ivory"? You see, this is the problem with using music as a basis for language acquisition. You begin to say things that are culturally outdated and at times just sound down right ignorant. However, I won't fault you on that because I personally think my Japanese is often offensive and deplorable.
Anyway, in an answer to your question, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that ALL college and university roommate assignments in America are assigned on a random basis unless the roommates-to-be filled out a form beforehand requesting to live together. It is absolutely illegal to assign rooms or anything of the sort on the basis of race (or any other such things). Therefore, of course there are a lot of blacks and whites (and *insert every other ethnic group here*s) living together, it's just a matter of numbers.
There are less black people in America than whites. Naturally there would be less of a "black presence" at REM concerts and the like. Just as a reference, I went to a Ludacris concert at my university last year, and the overwhelming majority of the audience was white.
Of course race relations in the United States are not ideal, but a black and white person living together (while possibly not typical statistically) is by no means extraordinary.
The OP does make one good point though:
> Does anybody remember an 80's comedy film called "Jumpin' Jack Flash"?
> Whoopi Goldberg played a heroine who loved listening to rock music
> such as the Rolling Stones, and Mott the Hoople.
> I felt that was super unreal.
He's right about that. Black or white, *nobody* likes "Mott the Hoople".
> Does anybody remember an 80's comedy film called "Jumpin' Jack Flash"?
> Whoopi Goldberg played a heroine who loved listening to rock music
> such as the Rolling Stones, and Mott the Hoople.
> I felt that was super unreal.
He's right about that. Black or white, *nobody* likes "Mott the Hoople".
First #16 thanks... that was a great site and I signed up :) I fucking love Santana!!
Also Edger Winter... and this was in High school in the 70`s !! It really was not until pretty recent history that different races were assumed to enjoy only "Their" particular ethnic groups music. It was all just music when I was growing up, and it remains that way to me ( and many others in my generation) today. We all loved the beatles, Hendrix, etc.. Music is either good (matching your particular taste) or it`s not. Mick Jagger also has some songs that everyone likes regardless of race.
I was in the US Coast Guard. When I was assigned to an ICE Braker that went the South Pole for a year there were only 8 Black people in a crew of 190. Needles to say some of my best friends were white. If we are all exposed to other races in our normal daily lives we soon learn that everyone is the same.
Also Edger Winter... and this was in High school in the 70`s !! It really was not until pretty recent history that different races were assumed to enjoy only "Their" particular ethnic groups music. It was all just music when I was growing up, and it remains that way to me ( and many others in my generation) today. We all loved the beatles, Hendrix, etc.. Music is either good (matching your particular taste) or it`s not. Mick Jagger also has some songs that everyone likes regardless of race.
I was in the US Coast Guard. When I was assigned to an ICE Braker that went the South Pole for a year there were only 8 Black people in a crew of 190. Needles to say some of my best friends were white. If we are all exposed to other races in our normal daily lives we soon learn that everyone is the same.
Thank you so much for commenting in this thread that I created.
>>Amber
>>Also, depending on where you were in Colorado, Black people were
>>probably a serious minority.
>>You have to take into account numbers and other things.
I guess that's the point.
I was in this small town called Sterling which was near to Nebraska
and South Dakota. I remember there were about 20 African-American
males and about 10 African-American females on campus.
None of them are locals. They were mostly from the Denver area.
Other than those students, I have hardly ever seen any African-American
in Sterling.
Other than Sterling, I don't know nothing. I didn't even go to Denver
besides when I really needed to go there.
At cafeteria on campus, basketball players were always together
regardless of race.
But other than those basketball players, I have rarely seen
Caucasian-Americans and African-Americans together at the same table.
I assumed it was basically like that in other towns and cities
in America as well. Sorry I was totally wrong.
I've never ever heard white music from black rooms in our dorm
and other dorms on campus.
I used to be a big hip hop music fan, so I knew A Tribe Called Quest
sampled "Walked on the Wild Side" in "Can I Kick It?" and Warren G
sampled MichaelMcDonald's "I Keep Forgetting" in "Regulate" before
I arrived in America.
But when I saw this situation on campus, I assumed A Tribe Called
Quest and Warren G samlpled such tunes only because they were
musicians.. only because they were A Tribe Called Quest and Warren G.
I wrongly assumed the vast majority of African-Americans would never
listen to rock.
Anyway, no one seems to have answered one of my dumb questions
Once again, if there is an REM concert in New York City and
it has 10000 audience, about how many African-American people
would be there?
I simply want to know
>>Amber
>>Also, depending on where you were in Colorado, Black people were
>>probably a serious minority.
>>You have to take into account numbers and other things.
I guess that's the point.
I was in this small town called Sterling which was near to Nebraska
and South Dakota. I remember there were about 20 African-American
males and about 10 African-American females on campus.
None of them are locals. They were mostly from the Denver area.
Other than those students, I have hardly ever seen any African-American
in Sterling.
Other than Sterling, I don't know nothing. I didn't even go to Denver
besides when I really needed to go there.
At cafeteria on campus, basketball players were always together
regardless of race.
But other than those basketball players, I have rarely seen
Caucasian-Americans and African-Americans together at the same table.
I assumed it was basically like that in other towns and cities
in America as well. Sorry I was totally wrong.
I've never ever heard white music from black rooms in our dorm
and other dorms on campus.
I used to be a big hip hop music fan, so I knew A Tribe Called Quest
sampled "Walked on the Wild Side" in "Can I Kick It?" and Warren G
sampled MichaelMcDonald's "I Keep Forgetting" in "Regulate" before
I arrived in America.
But when I saw this situation on campus, I assumed A Tribe Called
Quest and Warren G samlpled such tunes only because they were
musicians.. only because they were A Tribe Called Quest and Warren G.
I wrongly assumed the vast majority of African-Americans would never
listen to rock.
Anyway, no one seems to have answered one of my dumb questions
Once again, if there is an REM concert in New York City and
it has 10000 audience, about how many African-American people
would be there?
I simply want to know
I agree with TokyoOG... Obviously I'm not old enough to know directly, but of course at the time people were protesting the war and racism in America. White people, black people, rich people, poor people... everyone was joining together for a cause and listening to that type of music for a cause. Bob Dylan's music was not SO much different from the Beatles in terms of what they sung about, and bob Dylan was popular with some of the black community. My moms best friend and roommate was black, and they went to every concert together, Jimmie Hendrix, Beatles, Janis Joplin, Neil young. It wasn't so much the genre of music but what the music was trying to say, which is almost the complete opposite of now.
>TokyoOG, JOJO
I want to thank you two for these informative comments.
>TokyoOG
>Also Edger Winter... and this was in High school in the 70`s !!
>It really was not until pretty recent history that different
>races were assumed to enjoy only "Their" particular
>ethnic groups music. It was all just music when I was growing up,
>and it remains that way to me ( and many others in my generation) today.
>JOJO
>It wasn't so much the genre of music but what the music was trying to
>say, which is almost the complete opposite of now.
I want to thank you two for these informative comments.
>TokyoOG
>Also Edger Winter... and this was in High school in the 70`s !!
>It really was not until pretty recent history that different
>races were assumed to enjoy only "Their" particular
>ethnic groups music. It was all just music when I was growing up,
>and it remains that way to me ( and many others in my generation) today.
>JOJO
>It wasn't so much the genre of music but what the music was trying to
>say, which is almost the complete opposite of now.
REM ?? I personally am not aware of their music. I listened to about 18 of their greatest hits and I can`t remember ever hearing any of them being played by anyone I know or any of the radio stations I used to listen to. So I guess I would not want to go to their concert. But I can`t speak
for all black Americans. I can say that I liked their music better then acid rock.
Everyone enjoys a good melody and a good clear voice with rhythm and a message.
for all black Americans. I can say that I liked their music better then acid rock.
Everyone enjoys a good melody and a good clear voice with rhythm and a message.
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