Hi all
I have a question for you today, and it's about tipping! What do you think of it? I know in Japan it is unusual to tip, but in the UK (where i'm from) it's quite normal, and in the USA it is expected that you tip.
Do you think it's a good thing? Do you think that employers should just raise the wages of their staff?
Discuss!
I have a question for you today, and it's about tipping! What do you think of it? I know in Japan it is unusual to tip, but in the UK (where i'm from) it's quite normal, and in the USA it is expected that you tip.
Do you think it's a good thing? Do you think that employers should just raise the wages of their staff?
Discuss!
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If the employers in America raised the wages of restaurant workers, the prices of food and drinks would go up accordingly. I feel tipping is out of hand when the sandwich shop （ex. Subway)， Starbucks and Jamba juice as well as ice cream places expect tips. Why? They haven't done any great service. If the service is bad, don't tip.
A tip is earned, it should not be expected.
I am infavor of Western countries adopting the Japanese stance on tipping. Proper service is expected and is its own reward. Kinda a zen thing.
A tip is earned, it should not be expected.
I am infavor of Western countries adopting the Japanese stance on tipping. Proper service is expected and is its own reward. Kinda a zen thing.
I am generally against tipping. I'd much rather have the fixed amount of service fee included in the bill. I believe that servers who provide great service should be compensated by a raise and/or promotion, not by more tipping.
>> Elimination of tips will cause an increase on food price IMO.
It may depend upon the state. Some U.S. states have laws that prohibit the employers from including the tip with the minimum wage. It means if the minimum wage is $7.50/hr, then the server will get that plus whatever tip he/she gets. In states like that, eliminating tips will only cause the food price to go down, IMO.
>> Elimination of tips will cause an increase on food price IMO.
It may depend upon the state. Some U.S. states have laws that prohibit the employers from including the tip with the minimum wage. It means if the minimum wage is $7.50/hr, then the server will get that plus whatever tip he/she gets. In states like that, eliminating tips will only cause the food price to go down, IMO.
What I don't like about tipping in some restaurants is when they share tips. What I mean is that lousy workers get a share of the excellent workers．
It doesn't seem fair if you worked hard and got a good tip and then you have to share it with a lazy/sloppy person.
BTW, what do you noramally tip? I use the 25% rule for resｔaurants. Up to $5for services. ? don't use cabs．
It doesn't seem fair if you worked hard and got a good tip and then you have to share it with a lazy/sloppy person.
BTW, what do you noramally tip? I use the 25% rule for resｔaurants. Up to $5for services. ? don't use cabs．
When I visited the US, I really didn't like tipping! I don't mind giving the staff a little extra, especially since the food was often cheaper than here in the UK... but I just didn't understand the protocol.
Like, if you're paying for a meal by card, do you give the waiter a cash tip when they take your card, or when they bring it back? Or can you instruct them to charge a tip to your card?
And how much are you supposed to tip? Don't you have different percentages based on whether it's a bar, a restaurant, a hotel or whatever? Can't they just tell you? Like, add it on to the bill? If it's *expected* anyway, they might as well.
And another thing I don't get! I thought the idea was you pay for your food/drink, and tip for the service... right? But my sister went to have a manicure... which is a service that she was paying for, and then she had to tip them... for the service. What's that all about?!
And the thing I disliked most was that I felt like we were being judged by how much we tipped, regardless of what good customers we were, how polite we were to the staff and so on. Especially since my family and I were quite blatently tourists. :P
It was just stressful and confusing.
I don't really eat in restaurants here but I used to work in one and I got the impression that people just tipped if - and however much - they felt like tipping. But yeah, I much prefer it in Japan where your ごちそうさまでした is all the tip you need! :D
Like, if you're paying for a meal by card, do you give the waiter a cash tip when they take your card, or when they bring it back? Or can you instruct them to charge a tip to your card?
And how much are you supposed to tip? Don't you have different percentages based on whether it's a bar, a restaurant, a hotel or whatever? Can't they just tell you? Like, add it on to the bill? If it's *expected* anyway, they might as well.
And another thing I don't get! I thought the idea was you pay for your food/drink, and tip for the service... right? But my sister went to have a manicure... which is a service that she was paying for, and then she had to tip them... for the service. What's that all about?!
And the thing I disliked most was that I felt like we were being judged by how much we tipped, regardless of what good customers we were, how polite we were to the staff and so on. Especially since my family and I were quite blatently tourists. :P
It was just stressful and confusing.
I don't really eat in restaurants here but I used to work in one and I got the impression that people just tipped if - and however much - they felt like tipping. But yeah, I much prefer it in Japan where your ごちそうさまでした is all the tip you need! :D
Tipping would make sense if it was optional, but in America these days it really isn't, it'd de rigeur.
That said, every time I'm back in the US I can never remember who I'm supposed to tip. That part of it I find annoying. If tipping was an optional reward for good service, then I could tip the guy at the hotel who checks me in if he's especially nice, and stiff the doorman if he's rude. But neither of those would fly. The check-in guy would refuse the money, and the doorman would just stand there blocking the taxi door from closing until he got his buck.
That said, every time I'm back in the US I can never remember who I'm supposed to tip. That part of it I find annoying. If tipping was an optional reward for good service, then I could tip the guy at the hotel who checks me in if he's especially nice, and stiff the doorman if he's rude. But neither of those would fly. The check-in guy would refuse the money, and the doorman would just stand there blocking the taxi door from closing until he got his buck.
I wouldn't feel right if I didn't tip, but it really depends on service. As someone brought up, the amount that a lot of the people in the US is just plain abysmal.
The problem in America is that too many people think that tipping is something that is owed to them, when it really isn't. It's a privilege and not a right. If you do your job properly, I'll tip. If not, then don't bother beating me over the head with a skillet because I didn't come out of my pockets to do something that is optional.
The problem in America is that too many people think that tipping is something that is owed to them, when it really isn't. It's a privilege and not a right. If you do your job properly, I'll tip. If not, then don't bother beating me over the head with a skillet because I didn't come out of my pockets to do something that is optional.
Paul hits it right on. I imagine that tipping came about as a way to
express appreciation for a job particularly well done. Now it seems
to be expected. I even read an article that said it's "in your best
interest to tip", intimating that you might get worse service the next
time you visit that venue.
I think it would be cool to have a "tip-free" restaurant; raise the prices
by 20%, say, and post "no tipping!" signs. Pass the money on to the staff.
If a server is particlarly bad or good, leave a comment with the manager.
Leaving comments is free!
express appreciation for a job particularly well done. Now it seems
to be expected. I even read an article that said it's "in your best
interest to tip", intimating that you might get worse service the next
time you visit that venue.
I think it would be cool to have a "tip-free" restaurant; raise the prices
by 20%, say, and post "no tipping!" signs. Pass the money on to the staff.
If a server is particlarly bad or good, leave a comment with the manager.
Leaving comments is free!
だいはど>
I believe that servers who provide great service should be compensated by a raise and/or promotion, not by more tipping.
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Problem is, most of the waiting table jobs are not a fixed job aka part time/casual and this type of job has quite a fast turnover of staff coming and goings. I think it's kind of complicated if you introduced the promotion in career system on that.
I believe that servers who provide great service should be compensated by a raise and/or promotion, not by more tipping.
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Problem is, most of the waiting table jobs are not a fixed job aka part time/casual and this type of job has quite a fast turnover of staff coming and goings. I think it's kind of complicated if you introduced the promotion in career system on that.
Hello!
I work in hotel industry.USA,UK and some other countries have a tipping sistem.Instead,we have a service tax sistem.It's usually 10％.So,we actually have to refuse guratuities one time and then if they try to give it to us,we can take.
However,don't you think that is weird? even if one guest do everything like brings his bags or arranges for a tax by himself,he have to pay 10％ service tax!!
Money is motivator.it's never bad.Some employees who make efforts and the others who always wait for working time finish,is it allowed that they get same salary??Good employees shoud get more!
We need to set a work quota sistem and be competitive!!
By the way, Once I've got 50000yen as tipping for one night.
I work in hotel industry.USA,UK and some other countries have a tipping sistem.Instead,we have a service tax sistem.It's usually 10％.So,we actually have to refuse guratuities one time and then if they try to give it to us,we can take.
However,don't you think that is weird? even if one guest do everything like brings his bags or arranges for a tax by himself,he have to pay 10％ service tax!!
Money is motivator.it's never bad.Some employees who make efforts and the others who always wait for working time finish,is it allowed that they get same salary??Good employees shoud get more!
We need to set a work quota sistem and be competitive!!
By the way, Once I've got 50000yen as tipping for one night.
18 hapybrian
> I think it would be cool to have a "tip-free" restaurant; raise the prices
> by 20%, say, and post "no tipping!" signs. Pass the money on to the staff.
> If a server is particlarly bad or good, leave a comment with the manager.
> Leaving comments is free!
Actually when I was thinking about tipping, it occurred to me that other Americans clearly aren't as annoyed by it as I am. Because if they were, someone would have opened a place like this and the trend would have caught on, eh?
(Of course it could still. When you read common history it's astounding how quickly styles and fashions come and go.)
> I think it would be cool to have a "tip-free" restaurant; raise the prices
> by 20%, say, and post "no tipping!" signs. Pass the money on to the staff.
> If a server is particlarly bad or good, leave a comment with the manager.
> Leaving comments is free!
Actually when I was thinking about tipping, it occurred to me that other Americans clearly aren't as annoyed by it as I am. Because if they were, someone would have opened a place like this and the trend would have caught on, eh?
(Of course it could still. When you read common history it's astounding how quickly styles and fashions come and go.)
I don`t mind tipping at all. I think it`s a great incentive for the service providers. On the other hand, I don`t feel that there should be a " set " percentage for tips. If I am having a great time, and the service was really good, I would tip accordingly. If the service sucked, I would show how I felt by leaving a very small tip or no tip at all. You have to earn a tip. It is very easy to just pay the bill and say " keep the change". But I hate the need to add the tip to the bottom of the bill when paying by card. Tipping should be easy and cash only. And it should never be forced or expected.
> I also heard some stories from a friend who did more traveling around Europe. He said that the service in some of the places without tipping was not as good because the servers were going to be paid the same amount either way.
Well, Europe isn't generally known for its service anyways but... Japan has a high level of service without tipping, even though the service itself is mostly inflexible (you can't have it both ways, unless you're paying a lot). Cultural difference? I prefer the predictable but decently high level of service in Japan to the unexpected and wide variance (often based on prospective tips) experienced in the States. But this could just be personal preference. And if you really want to bend the "rules" in Japanese stores, just call for the manager, they're way more flexible.
Well, Europe isn't generally known for its service anyways but... Japan has a high level of service without tipping, even though the service itself is mostly inflexible (you can't have it both ways, unless you're paying a lot). Cultural difference? I prefer the predictable but decently high level of service in Japan to the unexpected and wide variance (often based on prospective tips) experienced in the States. But this could just be personal preference. And if you really want to bend the "rules" in Japanese stores, just call for the manager, they're way more flexible.
duo-サマ (#15),
>> most tipping jobs in USA require tipping because with out it we wouldn't
>> make enough to live off of and these jobs are the only flexable ones we can
>> do to continue our carreers or school.
That is part of the reason I believe tipping should be totally abandoned and replaced with a flat-wage scheme. You'll agree upon a hourly rate; you'll get it no matter what. That would be a lot simpler and more predictable than relying upon tipping.
ChocoRat (#19),
>> Problem is, most of the waiting table jobs are not a fixed job aka part
>> time/casual and this type of job has quite a fast turnover of staff coming
>> and goings.
You have a good point. OTOH, there are part-time/casual jobs that do not involve tipping. For instance, I don't think those who flip burgers at McD's get tipped at all. It may be tricky to include promotion in the equation, but a raise and/or bonus should be a practical method, IMO.
>> most tipping jobs in USA require tipping because with out it we wouldn't
>> make enough to live off of and these jobs are the only flexable ones we can
>> do to continue our carreers or school.
That is part of the reason I believe tipping should be totally abandoned and replaced with a flat-wage scheme. You'll agree upon a hourly rate; you'll get it no matter what. That would be a lot simpler and more predictable than relying upon tipping.
ChocoRat (#19),
>> Problem is, most of the waiting table jobs are not a fixed job aka part
>> time/casual and this type of job has quite a fast turnover of staff coming
>> and goings.
You have a good point. OTOH, there are part-time/casual jobs that do not involve tipping. For instance, I don't think those who flip burgers at McD's get tipped at all. It may be tricky to include promotion in the equation, but a raise and/or bonus should be a practical method, IMO.
だいはど > I don't meant to create an argument, but you raises very interesting point :)
Mc D , KFC and the likes are viewed as chain market company, or at the least a Franchise-market company. I don't view them as a regular restaurant business where most are home industry.
McD, KFC and the kinds have career development systems that could award you from flipping burger to Shift Manager, Store Manager, and could maybe even be a Regional/Area Manager or the Marketing Executives. That's why they don't need the tipping system for the employees. Besides, McD is a fast service restaurant where you order and go. Not where you're sitting down and expected to be serviced accordingly.
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But say the point I have is only for the restaurants, not Hotel. I leave the hotel part the the expert of the industry :P
Mc D , KFC and the likes are viewed as chain market company, or at the least a Franchise-market company. I don't view them as a regular restaurant business where most are home industry.
McD, KFC and the kinds have career development systems that could award you from flipping burger to Shift Manager, Store Manager, and could maybe even be a Regional/Area Manager or the Marketing Executives. That's why they don't need the tipping system for the employees. Besides, McD is a fast service restaurant where you order and go. Not where you're sitting down and expected to be serviced accordingly.
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But say the point I have is only for the restaurants, not Hotel. I leave the hotel part the the expert of the industry :P
As an Australia who is not from a tipping culture; I like it this way.
I am paid a high salary by the hour which is how I earn my money. Sure, I appreciate tips, but if we become a tipping culture, our hourly wage will decrease, and I'm much prefer a regular and standard hourly wage than something as unreliable as tips.
I am paid a high salary by the hour which is how I earn my money. Sure, I appreciate tips, but if we become a tipping culture, our hourly wage will decrease, and I'm much prefer a regular and standard hourly wage than something as unreliable as tips.
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So naturally i guess people from such countries must feel very much freed in Japan. What do you say?
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Hmmm. Hard to say.
I agree that in the US, tipping can sometimes suck, especially when you go out to dinner: You end up forgetting each time that 10-20% of the bill (under normal circumstances) has to be paid again in tips. Yuck.
I feel strongly about giving more money for great service, and less money for crappy service. Thing is, I've lived in Japan for many years and have never had a crappy service situation. EVER. So it's kind of a non-issue (in the US, I have them maybe 1 in 20 times).
But I don't feel "freed" in Japan: Because when I go to izakayas (I go a lot) they have their own forms of Mandatory Tips thrown into the price: They bring 'otoushi' to the table, even if I didn't ask for it. I might enjoy it, but maybe 1 in 5 of them I hate (cucumbers, blah!). But I can't complain. I have to pay 300+ yen for this otoushi which I didn't order and must pay for. That doesn't make me feel free.
But I admit, it's nice to not have that minute or stress every time I eat in Japan, worrying about "What's 15% of 4590 yen, and is that enough of a tip?" :-)
-Andy
So naturally i guess people from such countries must feel very much freed in Japan. What do you say?
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Hmmm. Hard to say.
I agree that in the US, tipping can sometimes suck, especially when you go out to dinner: You end up forgetting each time that 10-20% of the bill (under normal circumstances) has to be paid again in tips. Yuck.
I feel strongly about giving more money for great service, and less money for crappy service. Thing is, I've lived in Japan for many years and have never had a crappy service situation. EVER. So it's kind of a non-issue (in the US, I have them maybe 1 in 20 times).
But I don't feel "freed" in Japan: Because when I go to izakayas (I go a lot) they have their own forms of Mandatory Tips thrown into the price: They bring 'otoushi' to the table, even if I didn't ask for it. I might enjoy it, but maybe 1 in 5 of them I hate (cucumbers, blah!). But I can't complain. I have to pay 300+ yen for this otoushi which I didn't order and must pay for. That doesn't make me feel free.
But I admit, it's nice to not have that minute or stress every time I eat in Japan, worrying about "What's 15% of 4590 yen, and is that enough of a tip?" :-)
-Andy
Andy,
yes, otoushi could be considered something like a tip, but you get something at least, cucumber or not. : ) On the oeher hand, tipping is like a rip off. Do teachers get tipped? How about firefighters, librarian, shop clerks, etc? Why should we tip only for waiters and waitresses? There are no convincing reasons there.
Employers should take care of their employees pay, not by the customers tip on top of the price they pay. It only means the employers employ the waiters together with the customers. That's quite unfair, foolish, unreasonable, crazy. We are not the co-owners of the American restaurants.
yes, otoushi could be considered something like a tip, but you get something at least, cucumber or not. : ) On the oeher hand, tipping is like a rip off. Do teachers get tipped? How about firefighters, librarian, shop clerks, etc? Why should we tip only for waiters and waitresses? There are no convincing reasons there.
Employers should take care of their employees pay, not by the customers tip on top of the price they pay. It only means the employers employ the waiters together with the customers. That's quite unfair, foolish, unreasonable, crazy. We are not the co-owners of the American restaurants.
At my job it is not a restaurant or a cafe, but there is a tip jar because people want to leave a tip. It is just a few dollars a day, but it is good for surviving on when you don't get paid for another week.
When I first came to Vancouver, I had no money and my paycheque was so far away....I survived on the small amount of tips from my shitty cafe job until I found a decent job.
The annoying thing is people just keep expecting to get higher and higher tips. Before it was 10% (restaurant), but now it is 15-20%? And for a haircut it is 20%? It is too confusing. I think it is good in restaurants because the tips are generally not taxed and the wages for the employees are not very high.
In Chicago, I went to a Denny's there, they added a tip onto the bill as a service fee. WTF. It's tricky because they don't tell you, it is just there like a tax. So most people will go ahead and tip more, on top of that. I haven't seen that in Canada so far, but it is a bit annoying. Especially if you have ever lived in British Columbia (or live here now) where there is such an insane amount of tax. They lowered the GST by 1% recently. I think I wold prefer if they lowered the income tax by at least half.
These extra taxes make me feel super angry. Tipping isn't a tax! It should be optional.
When I first came to Vancouver, I had no money and my paycheque was so far away....I survived on the small amount of tips from my shitty cafe job until I found a decent job.
The annoying thing is people just keep expecting to get higher and higher tips. Before it was 10% (restaurant), but now it is 15-20%? And for a haircut it is 20%? It is too confusing. I think it is good in restaurants because the tips are generally not taxed and the wages for the employees are not very high.
In Chicago, I went to a Denny's there, they added a tip onto the bill as a service fee. WTF. It's tricky because they don't tell you, it is just there like a tax. So most people will go ahead and tip more, on top of that. I haven't seen that in Canada so far, but it is a bit annoying. Especially if you have ever lived in British Columbia (or live here now) where there is such an insane amount of tax. They lowered the GST by 1% recently. I think I wold prefer if they lowered the income tax by at least half.
These extra taxes make me feel super angry. Tipping isn't a tax! It should be optional.
A.Elizabeth,
no waiters or waitresses would complain about tipping, except only when the amount is unsatisfactory. : )
>At my job it is not a restaurant or a cafe, but there is a tip jar because people want to leave a tip.
i doubt that. i for one don't want to leave a tip anywhere. A typical Japanese or am i too miserly?
no waiters or waitresses would complain about tipping, except only when the amount is unsatisfactory. : )
>At my job it is not a restaurant or a cafe, but there is a tip jar because people want to leave a tip.
i doubt that. i for one don't want to leave a tip anywhere. A typical Japanese or am i too miserly?
I hate it
so much
just tonight I went out to dinner
with my friends
and when we were paying
the cashier was like "who is paying the tip?"
OMG BITCH, YOU WERENT EVEN OUR SERVER.
UGHHHHH
actually
a couple months ago, in the newspaper,
there is a place for people to send their letters.
and sometimes people argue with each other
I sent in an angry paragraph about how
I hate tipping
and they printed it
so much
just tonight I went out to dinner
with my friends
and when we were paying
the cashier was like "who is paying the tip?"
OMG BITCH, YOU WERENT EVEN OUR SERVER.
UGHHHHH
actually
a couple months ago, in the newspaper,
there is a place for people to send their letters.
and sometimes people argue with each other
I sent in an angry paragraph about how
I hate tipping
and they printed it
i like the whole tipping thing. it's good motivation for the workers to give better service, but on the other hand, when the tip goes into one pot and split among all the staff... including the ones who don't deserve it, not so cool. but i haven't seen much of that.
one tipping nightmare i had tho was at a hotel. i was just leaving the room and i left the sign thatsaid please do not disturb. house keeping saw me leave the room and begged me to let her clean the room. problem: i'm dirt poor. i'm sorry lady, you make more money than i do. the trip was a gift. i can leave a tip at the end of my stay, but not every night. scary thing is if i deny her a tip, what could happen to my room? the girl's got keys yo! i've seen some scary footage on tv of maids sticking toothbrushes up their behinds or scrubbing the toilet with them among other things. scary.
one tipping nightmare i had tho was at a hotel. i was just leaving the room and i left the sign thatsaid please do not disturb. house keeping saw me leave the room and begged me to let her clean the room. problem: i'm dirt poor. i'm sorry lady, you make more money than i do. the trip was a gift. i can leave a tip at the end of my stay, but not every night. scary thing is if i deny her a tip, what could happen to my room? the girl's got keys yo! i've seen some scary footage on tv of maids sticking toothbrushes up their behinds or scrubbing the toilet with them among other things. scary.
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