Imagine the situation that there are 20or30 classmates in classroom, and you are one of them. You are just sitting on a chair,and many classmates are bullying one boy. Can you help a boy who is in trouble? Or just looking?
Let me tell you one story that made me think like this . When I visited my friend’s house,his mother came our room and said “How was today?” “It’s OK.” We answered. “How was that boy today?” his mother asked us seriously. I couldn’t catch what she was saying at first. So I was confused and so surprised that I couldn't say a single word. But there seems to be no problem. Everyone looks happy. No one will try to stop bullying except me.
What do you think about bullying??
Why are there so many bullying here??
What can we do for bullying??
Could you have any good solution that makes bullying end??
Let me tell you one story that made me think like this . When I visited my friend’s house,his mother came our room and said “How was today?” “It’s OK.” We answered. “How was that boy today?” his mother asked us seriously. I couldn’t catch what she was saying at first. So I was confused and so surprised that I couldn't say a single word. But there seems to be no problem. Everyone looks happy. No one will try to stop bullying except me.
What do you think about bullying??
Why are there so many bullying here??
What can we do for bullying??
Could you have any good solution that makes bullying end??
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At my work place, A boss in different section always scolds his subordinate. I don't know them personally, it seems to be that there are some reason for him to be scold. But his boss is too harsh, it's really discustion even for us, like power harrasment.
Bullying may occur from the situaiton. Our company's situation is getting severe, because of a personal cut for years,it's always short of staff,budget squeeze makes our job hard,at the same time we are required to show the results. Those things might justify those harsh behavior, boss misunderstand him right to do that in order to discpline his subordinate.
We can't make any excuse, but we need to make sure what we are doing.
Bullying may occur from the situaiton. Our company's situation is getting severe, because of a personal cut for years,it's always short of staff,budget squeeze makes our job hard,at the same time we are required to show the results. Those things might justify those harsh behavior, boss misunderstand him right to do that in order to discpline his subordinate.
We can't make any excuse, but we need to make sure what we are doing.
if humans are as low as animals, then you could say it's nature's call, but humans are not animals only. We can be higher than animals, and if we don't try that course, we will stay the same as we have been since the beginning of humankind.
Bullying happen because of competition which is already quite a male oriented thing even if it's done by female. In other words, it's very animal-like. So from competitiveness to cooperativeness kind of attitude is needed as social consensus, and for that, each one of us is responsible. Then how to do it? Well, why don't we start by touching our heart at least once a day? (or many times a day)
Bullying happen because of competition which is already quite a male oriented thing even if it's done by female. In other words, it's very animal-like. So from competitiveness to cooperativeness kind of attitude is needed as social consensus, and for that, each one of us is responsible. Then how to do it? Well, why don't we start by touching our heart at least once a day? (or many times a day)
Bullying sucks, but it happens everywhere and I actually do think it's basically Darwinism at work. The positive side of that is that there are some kids for whom it takes a bully to bring out their strong side - I know because I was like that. I had a bully who I'd get all sorts of abuse from in grade school for about 2 years, and one day he threw a snowball at my head and it hit me right in the ear. I had snow literally packed into my ear so hard I couldn't hear anything through it. And it really hurt. I got so mad, I ran after him and just starting wildly throwing punches at him. (Yes, it was like that scene from "A Christmas Story" - and it really happened to me!) He actually turned around and tried to run away, so I grabbed him with one hand and kept punching him with the other in the back of the head until I just got tired and/or the school bus came.
Well, the whole school got wind of this and everything changed pretty much instantly as far as our reputations went. He did actually try to keep bullying me a couple more times, but it was pretty half-assed, and I ended up slamming him against a locker in the hallway one day in front of everybody and then pinning him to the wall with my hand against his neck. That was the end of that. He finally learned at that point, and everybody thought he was just a big loser. And I never had anymore problems with anybody else either.
I know it probably depends on what kind of kid somebody is, though. I was, at that time, one of those big, goofy, kind of oafish guys that seems totally harmless, but I had a lot of mass if I ever decided to throw it around. A skinny little kid is going to have a harder time turning things around physically. Honestly, though, one of the things bullies are looking for is a reaction, so acting like you don't even care works really well. Makes a bully feel inadequate. Probably not easy to do if you're getting punched in the stomach, but it definitely works if the abuse is mental rather than physical.
I don't think there's much of anything adults can do about kids bullying. They have their own world; any adult intrusion is just as likely to make things worse as to make things better. About the only thing you can really do is move the whole family. But then it's probably just going to start up again somewhere else.
Well, the whole school got wind of this and everything changed pretty much instantly as far as our reputations went. He did actually try to keep bullying me a couple more times, but it was pretty half-assed, and I ended up slamming him against a locker in the hallway one day in front of everybody and then pinning him to the wall with my hand against his neck. That was the end of that. He finally learned at that point, and everybody thought he was just a big loser. And I never had anymore problems with anybody else either.
I know it probably depends on what kind of kid somebody is, though. I was, at that time, one of those big, goofy, kind of oafish guys that seems totally harmless, but I had a lot of mass if I ever decided to throw it around. A skinny little kid is going to have a harder time turning things around physically. Honestly, though, one of the things bullies are looking for is a reaction, so acting like you don't even care works really well. Makes a bully feel inadequate. Probably not easy to do if you're getting punched in the stomach, but it definitely works if the abuse is mental rather than physical.
I don't think there's much of anything adults can do about kids bullying. They have their own world; any adult intrusion is just as likely to make things worse as to make things better. About the only thing you can really do is move the whole family. But then it's probably just going to start up again somewhere else.
i found those who have been practicing judo or something like that are really nice guys. They are doing some violent things every day. It's quite a contradiction, but there is a great secret behind it. Precisely because they are physically doing some violent act, their mind is free from violence. Those who bully are lacking in that physical activity and peace of mind.
If bullying is connected with Darwin, then some actual physical contact in a sport is quite helpful to release that animal energy, and i thinks judo, sumo, wrestling are very good for that purpose (not karate, boxing which are too destructive and violent to learn respect for other's body.)
If bullying is connected with Darwin, then some actual physical contact in a sport is quite helpful to release that animal energy, and i thinks judo, sumo, wrestling are very good for that purpose (not karate, boxing which are too destructive and violent to learn respect for other's body.)
Hmm
It really depends on what kind of bullying this is, kids can be really mean and stupid...either verbal or physical the majority of bullies do it because 1 they are looking for attention or 2 they are jealous of other people or want to feel strong by preying on weak people which makes them the lowest scum on the earth next to pedophiles.
There is a number of ways to handle them, verbal bullies are easy because you just have to make them look stupid in front of other people and that is normally enough to make them leave you alone or at the least avoid you in future so that they will move onto other people they think they can abuse.
Physical bullies are a much different situation because they 99% of the time pick on people who cannot defend themselves or those who are much weaker than they are, telling a physical bully to stop most of the time only causes them to bother you more because they know they are getting to you and so the only real way to cause them to stop is to get physical with them, however this can lead to alot of worse things, if you lose to them then they are still going to bully you so the best thing to do is make an example of them and play by their rules...ie: no rules!.
A good open palm or tight fist and a sharp fast punch to the bridge of the nose ( DO NOT hit under the nose and avoid hitting them in the neck this can kill them and you could end up in jail ) will cause much pain and will stun them I suggest alot of fast hard hits to the face or gut after to make sure they are going to stay down and lose ( side of the ribs ) or even some kicks when they are on the ground, remember this guy is a bully you do not want him getting up chances are he is going to do worse to you if he gets the chance....you want him crying in his bed at night and not bothering you again....try to do this is front of people so they will point and laugh and make his already shitty self esteem lower.
But violence should only be used as a last resort, you have a right to defend yourself and if it means violence to end a person bothering you so be it, just be smart about it.
As an alternative make friends with people who are real friends, ie: people who will back you up.
It really depends on what kind of bullying this is, kids can be really mean and stupid...either verbal or physical the majority of bullies do it because 1 they are looking for attention or 2 they are jealous of other people or want to feel strong by preying on weak people which makes them the lowest scum on the earth next to pedophiles.
There is a number of ways to handle them, verbal bullies are easy because you just have to make them look stupid in front of other people and that is normally enough to make them leave you alone or at the least avoid you in future so that they will move onto other people they think they can abuse.
Physical bullies are a much different situation because they 99% of the time pick on people who cannot defend themselves or those who are much weaker than they are, telling a physical bully to stop most of the time only causes them to bother you more because they know they are getting to you and so the only real way to cause them to stop is to get physical with them, however this can lead to alot of worse things, if you lose to them then they are still going to bully you so the best thing to do is make an example of them and play by their rules...ie: no rules!.
A good open palm or tight fist and a sharp fast punch to the bridge of the nose ( DO NOT hit under the nose and avoid hitting them in the neck this can kill them and you could end up in jail ) will cause much pain and will stun them I suggest alot of fast hard hits to the face or gut after to make sure they are going to stay down and lose ( side of the ribs ) or even some kicks when they are on the ground, remember this guy is a bully you do not want him getting up chances are he is going to do worse to you if he gets the chance....you want him crying in his bed at night and not bothering you again....try to do this is front of people so they will point and laugh and make his already shitty self esteem lower.
But violence should only be used as a last resort, you have a right to defend yourself and if it means violence to end a person bothering you so be it, just be smart about it.
As an alternative make friends with people who are real friends, ie: people who will back you up.
アキラ＠今 - we are animals. Everything from our social structure, to our grooming habits, to our mating habits... we are animals. That is just how it is. We may be above animals in thought processing and creativity, but we are still animals at our core. All our instincts are based on animal behavior.
People who practice martial arts are learning to become killing machines. It takes discipline on their parts to not behave violently. If they were to just attack someone who tried bullying them, they could kill them by accident. Most of these guys will try to talk to the fellow harassing them to let him know to just walk away before they get hurt. People who practice martial arts are probably going to be the last person to start a fight simply because of their training.
Physical conduct is far from enough to stop people from bullying. There are plenty of jocks on football teams who do more than enough bullying. You want to know why? Because they are dominant in most cases. They're physically more impressive specimens than the people they bully and they can most likely get away with it since many school's sports teams are what brings in most of the money to the school. Ego will often do it. A lot of people who bully think they are powerful and let it get to their heads. In some cases they are, and in some they aren't. All it takes is one cornered human who snaps to fight back, which is another animal instinct built into us.
People who practice martial arts are learning to become killing machines. It takes discipline on their parts to not behave violently. If they were to just attack someone who tried bullying them, they could kill them by accident. Most of these guys will try to talk to the fellow harassing them to let him know to just walk away before they get hurt. People who practice martial arts are probably going to be the last person to start a fight simply because of their training.
Physical conduct is far from enough to stop people from bullying. There are plenty of jocks on football teams who do more than enough bullying. You want to know why? Because they are dominant in most cases. They're physically more impressive specimens than the people they bully and they can most likely get away with it since many school's sports teams are what brings in most of the money to the school. Ego will often do it. A lot of people who bully think they are powerful and let it get to their heads. In some cases they are, and in some they aren't. All it takes is one cornered human who snaps to fight back, which is another animal instinct built into us.
Have you read "Dakara Anata mo Ikinuite"? It's a story about a woman who
was bullied at school. It happens at school and even at work for some
people. I remember reading a story about SEGA a few years ago. When they
wanted to get rid of someone they would transfer them to a department which
was basically an empty room with no windows. It was like saying to them
take a window seat because you are going nowhere, but in the end it was
just bullying.
As for me, I would step in...I'm usually very peaceful but when I get
angry I can be very scary and if I make myself someones ally they will
generally be left alone. I don't really know the causes of bullying. I
don't believe that bullies are bad or that they are weak. Sometimes that's
the case but not always. Maybe it's a group thing. There was an experiment
done in the 60s where they got a bunch of university students, made half
prisoners and half guards. They found that nearly all the guards very
quickly started treating the prisoners with cruelty. These were well
educated and normally gentle people. The few that didn't all had one
thing in common. During their formative years they encountered many
different types of people and it was speculated that this helped them
to feel empathy.
To Moonchilde:
Please allow me to remind you of a little difference that supposedly makes us human and somewhat distinct from animals: brains. you know, grey matter, mind, ability to comprehend things around as as well as our actions, their reasons and their outcomes. That's what allowed humans to evolve into, well, humans.
Bullying has nothing to do with primary/animal instincts: in a wolf pack or lion pride, an alpha male doesn't terrorize the rest of the males to continue being the alpha; he merely fights the challengers. Bullies feel insecure deep inside and so have the psychological need to boost their self-confidence, but lack intelligence to do so in the more civilized ways, so they see no other way but to resort to physical violence to convince themselves they are strong and "worthy".
You are right when you say that physical intervention doesn't stop bullies. Well, it does sometimes, but it's more an exception that proves the rule. As someone who was bullied in the school, I know from my own experience that the only real way to stop them for good is what you can call "applied psychology". I simply told each of them that if he touched me again, i wouldn't help him with tests for a while (yeah, being the one with the highest marks in the class helped a lot). After a few months, no one was bullying me. We didn't really became friends, but they didn't see me as a target anymore.
So, in general, to stop bullies, one would need: 1) find their priorities, and 2) shift them in a way that makes bullying "not worth the trouble". Not an easy task, but with some practice, not too complicated, ether.
Please allow me to remind you of a little difference that supposedly makes us human and somewhat distinct from animals: brains. you know, grey matter, mind, ability to comprehend things around as as well as our actions, their reasons and their outcomes. That's what allowed humans to evolve into, well, humans.
Bullying has nothing to do with primary/animal instincts: in a wolf pack or lion pride, an alpha male doesn't terrorize the rest of the males to continue being the alpha; he merely fights the challengers. Bullies feel insecure deep inside and so have the psychological need to boost their self-confidence, but lack intelligence to do so in the more civilized ways, so they see no other way but to resort to physical violence to convince themselves they are strong and "worthy".
You are right when you say that physical intervention doesn't stop bullies. Well, it does sometimes, but it's more an exception that proves the rule. As someone who was bullied in the school, I know from my own experience that the only real way to stop them for good is what you can call "applied psychology". I simply told each of them that if he touched me again, i wouldn't help him with tests for a while (yeah, being the one with the highest marks in the class helped a lot). After a few months, no one was bullying me. We didn't really became friends, but they didn't see me as a target anymore.
So, in general, to stop bullies, one would need: 1) find their priorities, and 2) shift them in a way that makes bullying "not worth the trouble". Not an easy task, but with some practice, not too complicated, ether.
>> You are right when you say that physical intervention
>> doesn't stop bullies. Well, it does sometimes, but it's
>> more an exception that proves the rule.
I would add that even if you do use physical force to
stop a bully, he / she might stop bullying you but they
will probably start bullying someone else.
If I see someone being bullied I will step in, but in
stepping in I will rarely stop the problem, simply move
the problem somewhere else. To really stop it takes a
mind shift. It takes the power of numbers. When most
people see bullying maybe they think "I'm glad it's
not me". But they need to think "This is not right and
I refuse to accept it."
There is a quote someone said after WW2. "First they
came for the gypsies, but I am not a gypsy so I did
nothing; then they came for the jews, but I am not a
jew so I did nothing; then they came for the christians,
but I am not a christian so I did nothing; and now they
are coming for me and there is no-one left to do anything."
>> doesn't stop bullies. Well, it does sometimes, but it's
>> more an exception that proves the rule.
I would add that even if you do use physical force to
stop a bully, he / she might stop bullying you but they
will probably start bullying someone else.
If I see someone being bullied I will step in, but in
stepping in I will rarely stop the problem, simply move
the problem somewhere else. To really stop it takes a
mind shift. It takes the power of numbers. When most
people see bullying maybe they think "I'm glad it's
not me". But they need to think "This is not right and
I refuse to accept it."
There is a quote someone said after WW2. "First they
came for the gypsies, but I am not a gypsy so I did
nothing; then they came for the jews, but I am not a
jew so I did nothing; then they came for the christians,
but I am not a christian so I did nothing; and now they
are coming for me and there is no-one left to do anything."
I think it takes a certain level of maturity to stop bullying when you see it happening... whereas when you're still a high or Jr. high school student you're still worrying about superficial things like your appearance and your image at school. People like to follow the crowd and be accepted, and so if a bunch of people are picking on a person... well... yea you know what happens...
Bullying? I think it would be impossible to stop bullying on schools... it appears to exist in all societies and cultures... perhaps its human nature?...
BUTTTTTTT!!! We can always do things to mitigate it! Like awareness programs and such... ADULTS need to get involved! Parents, teachers, older siblings and whatever! Setting good examples and all that...
Question: Is bullying a big problem in schools in Japan? Just curious... since I believe Japan's suicide is kind of high... could it be related to bullying as well?
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong btw...
Bullying? I think it would be impossible to stop bullying on schools... it appears to exist in all societies and cultures... perhaps its human nature?...
BUTTTTTTT!!! We can always do things to mitigate it! Like awareness programs and such... ADULTS need to get involved! Parents, teachers, older siblings and whatever! Setting good examples and all that...
Question: Is bullying a big problem in schools in Japan? Just curious... since I believe Japan's suicide is kind of high... could it be related to bullying as well?
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong btw...
＞Question: Is bullying a big problem in schools in Japan? Just curious... since I believe Japan's suicide is kind of high... could it be related to bullying as well?
yea, i guess so. It's so obvious, isn't it? Many students are committing suicide. Many adults too. Japan is a really cold society going against the global warming. People's hearts seem to be getting colder and colder maybe because we are cut off from each other and become more like a robot than a human. The bright side is that as contrast to that, some people are really becoming more and more humanitarian. Existence balances itself?
Here is a quick way to be a human.
Touch your heart and breathe 7 times.
yea, i guess so. It's so obvious, isn't it? Many students are committing suicide. Many adults too. Japan is a really cold society going against the global warming. People's hearts seem to be getting colder and colder maybe because we are cut off from each other and become more like a robot than a human. The bright side is that as contrast to that, some people are really becoming more and more humanitarian. Existence balances itself?
Here is a quick way to be a human.
Touch your heart and breathe 7 times.
But are the suicides related to bullying? or stress... it seems like parents might put alot of pressure on their kids to do well in school and all...
In the Japanese education system there are entrance exams into HIGHSCHOOL right?
That seems so insane to me! I live in Canada, and we don't have entrance exams for highschool OR university... they just look at your grades and extracurricular for university... and high schools are free game for entry... Of course if you had money you can go to private schools and such... but ANYWAYS!
Yea... Japanese people seem STRESSED OUT... and it appears that they all have good work ethic? I feel like I'm generalizing... but yea... that's all I got...
In the Japanese education system there are entrance exams into HIGHSCHOOL right?
That seems so insane to me! I live in Canada, and we don't have entrance exams for highschool OR university... they just look at your grades and extracurricular for university... and high schools are free game for entry... Of course if you had money you can go to private schools and such... but ANYWAYS!
Yea... Japanese people seem STRESSED OUT... and it appears that they all have good work ethic? I feel like I'm generalizing... but yea... that's all I got...
>But are the suicides related to bullying?
yes, very much so, i'm afraid.
or stress...
bullying is a lot of stress, isn't it? Or you can call all stress is a kind of bullying.
>it seems like parents might put alot of pressure on their kids to do well in school and all...
that may be true in some families but parents don't bully you, and children won't listen anyway. : )
I>n the Japanese education system there are entrance exams into HIGHSCHOOL right?
yes.
>That seems so insane to me!
yea, we call it examination hell. But nowadays, the number of kids are decreasing, so the competition is not so harsh as a generation ago. Instead of that hell, kids are confronting with bullying these days, it seems. You know, cold treatment and such. It's overall a chilling society.
yes, very much so, i'm afraid.
or stress...
bullying is a lot of stress, isn't it? Or you can call all stress is a kind of bullying.
>it seems like parents might put alot of pressure on their kids to do well in school and all...
that may be true in some families but parents don't bully you, and children won't listen anyway. : )
I>n the Japanese education system there are entrance exams into HIGHSCHOOL right?
yes.
>That seems so insane to me!
yea, we call it examination hell. But nowadays, the number of kids are decreasing, so the competition is not so harsh as a generation ago. Instead of that hell, kids are confronting with bullying these days, it seems. You know, cold treatment and such. It's overall a chilling society.
ユギ
Just because we have brains doesn't mean we aren't instinctual animals. We are animals, right down to our basic core behavior and instincts. Just because we have the capability to think more than an animal doesn't mean we don't behave like them. You seem like one of those guys who feels insulted when reminded we're just animals like the rest of them on this planet.
Bullying is animal behavior, it goes back to the need to dominate the weak. I never strictly implied alpha males and alpha females terrorize their peers, however, they are clearly dominating them which is what bullys are doing. They're dominating the ones weaker.
Just because we have brains doesn't mean we aren't instinctual animals. We are animals, right down to our basic core behavior and instincts. Just because we have the capability to think more than an animal doesn't mean we don't behave like them. You seem like one of those guys who feels insulted when reminded we're just animals like the rest of them on this planet.
Bullying is animal behavior, it goes back to the need to dominate the weak. I never strictly implied alpha males and alpha females terrorize their peers, however, they are clearly dominating them which is what bullys are doing. They're dominating the ones weaker.
Moonchilde:
Sorry, can't agree with you here, on both items...
Firstly, I am one of those guys who firmly believe that our intellect makes us different from the rest of animals. The simplest example is our ability to logically connect distant events (whether in time or space), see which one is the cause, which one is the result, and how one leads to another. Whether we use it or not, is a *personal* choice of each human; animals simply do not have such luxury. Another example would be our ability to create complex tools. Even a bird can push a button starting an automated factory line, but it takes a human to create one. And when you are intentionally downplaying the role of the intellect, you're intentionally putting yourself (as well as the rest of us) on the same level as, say, a common rat. Of course, I don't dispute your right to believe you're an animal, but I would like to stress that propagating that idea on other people is at the very least impolite. After all, quite a few of them/us do use that intellect to behave differently from animals... if someone chooses to lead an animal life, it doesn't become the only choice for the rest of the species.
Secondly, bullying is *not* animal behaviour. I guess I'll have to expand my example to clarify it - you would not see several "mid-status" members of, say, wolf pack (change to other pack animal species if you like), attack a weaker one to dominate it. In animal world, domination is very simple: someone challenges your status; you fight, one-one-one; the winner gets the status, the loser admits defeat. There's no repeated offense from the stronger side; there are no "many-beat-one" incidents; the hierarchical relations are plain and simple.
Bullying, on the other hand, is a psychological factor, not an instinct. The really strong people don't beat the weaker ones up to prove their dominating status.
Of course, I could be wrong; but to prove it, you need better arguments.
Sorry, can't agree with you here, on both items...
Firstly, I am one of those guys who firmly believe that our intellect makes us different from the rest of animals. The simplest example is our ability to logically connect distant events (whether in time or space), see which one is the cause, which one is the result, and how one leads to another. Whether we use it or not, is a *personal* choice of each human; animals simply do not have such luxury. Another example would be our ability to create complex tools. Even a bird can push a button starting an automated factory line, but it takes a human to create one. And when you are intentionally downplaying the role of the intellect, you're intentionally putting yourself (as well as the rest of us) on the same level as, say, a common rat. Of course, I don't dispute your right to believe you're an animal, but I would like to stress that propagating that idea on other people is at the very least impolite. After all, quite a few of them/us do use that intellect to behave differently from animals... if someone chooses to lead an animal life, it doesn't become the only choice for the rest of the species.
Secondly, bullying is *not* animal behaviour. I guess I'll have to expand my example to clarify it - you would not see several "mid-status" members of, say, wolf pack (change to other pack animal species if you like), attack a weaker one to dominate it. In animal world, domination is very simple: someone challenges your status; you fight, one-one-one; the winner gets the status, the loser admits defeat. There's no repeated offense from the stronger side; there are no "many-beat-one" incidents; the hierarchical relations are plain and simple.
Bullying, on the other hand, is a psychological factor, not an instinct. The really strong people don't beat the weaker ones up to prove their dominating status.
Of course, I could be wrong; but to prove it, you need better arguments.
if bullying is based on animal instinct, everyone must be doing bullying, like every fish is swimming. In reality, some do and some don't. In fact most people don't (thank goodness.) Some are even unbelievably loving at a very early age. Animal instinct alone doesn't explain this.
bullies must have something inside first to do the criminal act. Be it frustration, trauma, mental disorder, etc, you just can't start bullying out of the blue. Bullying must be considered as some mental disease. It may be hormonal, spiritual and what not.
bullies must have something inside first to do the criminal act. Be it frustration, trauma, mental disorder, etc, you just can't start bullying out of the blue. Bullying must be considered as some mental disease. It may be hormonal, spiritual and what not.
Thats so full of shit. Lions kill and eat deer, they're clearly the dominant ones and they are certainly not going separate ways after the cat species dominates it's prey. Lions will continue to eat the deer, just like bullies continue to harass people weaker than them. Packs of lions also hunt, and kill, a solo prey such as a larger animal. Its about the domination aspect, and it is very much an animal instinct.
Believe what you will, but all humans are animals. We're just called humans, like dogs are called dogs. Still, we all have the same basic organ structure, same basic instincts such as parents protecting their offspring. When cornered, humans will get an adrenaline rush once they hit the breaking point and fight back, just like cornered animals who aren't typically violent do. We piss, we shit, we eat, and we fuck. Males naturally want to fuck as many females as possible to spread their seed, typical basic instinctual animal behavior. Why do you get an erection when you see a female you like? Instinctual animal behavior. Why do we have to play the dating game to win a female's affection and a chance to spread our seed? Instinctual animal behavior. Why do we travel in packs rather than be alone? Instinctual social animal behavior. Domination is instinctual, it is basic animal behavior and a part of nature. The weak have no place in this world and that is just the natural way of things. It carries over to our species, the need to dominate the weak. A white tiger in the wild will be killed upon birth. Retarded children are picked on and bullied by their peers just because they're retarded, they're basically white tigers in the wild.
You can claim we have a higher intellect all you want, that doesn't change the fact our very base desires and instincts are animal behavior programmed into us through evolution. Just because we created tools and technology first does not mean we aren't animals. You do know chimpanzees in the wild use tools and teach each other how to use them? You do know they are animals, correct? Yes, we have a larger capacity to think, that separates us on an intellectual level, no argument there. But we still clearly have instinctual animal behavior.
All flesh and blood creatures on this earth are animals, including humans. All animals have instinctual behavior, and dominating the weak is a part of it. You may not like the fact that you're an animal and can use every argument to convince yourself otherwise, but it still doesn't change the fact that you are an animal at a base level. You have these instincts burned into you since birth. Fact of nature.
Believe what you will, but all humans are animals. We're just called humans, like dogs are called dogs. Still, we all have the same basic organ structure, same basic instincts such as parents protecting their offspring. When cornered, humans will get an adrenaline rush once they hit the breaking point and fight back, just like cornered animals who aren't typically violent do. We piss, we shit, we eat, and we fuck. Males naturally want to fuck as many females as possible to spread their seed, typical basic instinctual animal behavior. Why do you get an erection when you see a female you like? Instinctual animal behavior. Why do we have to play the dating game to win a female's affection and a chance to spread our seed? Instinctual animal behavior. Why do we travel in packs rather than be alone? Instinctual social animal behavior. Domination is instinctual, it is basic animal behavior and a part of nature. The weak have no place in this world and that is just the natural way of things. It carries over to our species, the need to dominate the weak. A white tiger in the wild will be killed upon birth. Retarded children are picked on and bullied by their peers just because they're retarded, they're basically white tigers in the wild.
You can claim we have a higher intellect all you want, that doesn't change the fact our very base desires and instincts are animal behavior programmed into us through evolution. Just because we created tools and technology first does not mean we aren't animals. You do know chimpanzees in the wild use tools and teach each other how to use them? You do know they are animals, correct? Yes, we have a larger capacity to think, that separates us on an intellectual level, no argument there. But we still clearly have instinctual animal behavior.
All flesh and blood creatures on this earth are animals, including humans. All animals have instinctual behavior, and dominating the weak is a part of it. You may not like the fact that you're an animal and can use every argument to convince yourself otherwise, but it still doesn't change the fact that you are an animal at a base level. You have these instincts burned into you since birth. Fact of nature.
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- that is also incorrect. Bullying is not always triggered by traumatic mental disorders. Again, look at how children behave. Take a group of normal kids and toss in a kid with a disfigurement or a retarded kid. The normal ones will ridicule or shun the abnormal ones naturally. It happens all the time on the playground. The normal ones are strong and dominant in the natural sense of things. In nature, a disfigured cub is killed at birth because it wouldn't survive in the harsh wild. However, in our society because of how it has progressed, this no longer happens. But you will not see retards and highly disfigured people being treated as equals to normal people. Why is this? Are we all mentally traumatized? No, it is simply our natural instinct to discard the weak. In society, we can not do this physically so we do it mentally. We block them from our site and tune them out of our ears.
On a playground, often times the normal kids will point and call a retard a name. This behavior is dominating the weak and just so happens to be bullying as well.
- that is also incorrect. Bullying is not always triggered by traumatic mental disorders. Again, look at how children behave. Take a group of normal kids and toss in a kid with a disfigurement or a retarded kid. The normal ones will ridicule or shun the abnormal ones naturally. It happens all the time on the playground. The normal ones are strong and dominant in the natural sense of things. In nature, a disfigured cub is killed at birth because it wouldn't survive in the harsh wild. However, in our society because of how it has progressed, this no longer happens. But you will not see retards and highly disfigured people being treated as equals to normal people. Why is this? Are we all mentally traumatized? No, it is simply our natural instinct to discard the weak. In society, we can not do this physically so we do it mentally. We block them from our site and tune them out of our ears.
On a playground, often times the normal kids will point and call a retard a name. This behavior is dominating the weak and just so happens to be bullying as well.
Moochilde,
>Take a group of normal kids and toss in a kid with a disfigurement or a retarded kid. The normal ones will ridicule or shun the abnormal ones naturally.
But some kids never do that. They even protect and sympathize. How do you explain that? I personally call it above animal, or even above human.
>Take a group of normal kids and toss in a kid with a disfigurement or a retarded kid. The normal ones will ridicule or shun the abnormal ones naturally.
But some kids never do that. They even protect and sympathize. How do you explain that? I personally call it above animal, or even above human.
> Lions will continue to eat the deer, just like bullies continue to harass people weaker than them.
Nice try... ^_^
Lions continue to EAT the deer, yes. Somehow I think that the main reason for this is that deer are their food. Bullies are humans; their victims are, incidentally, humans as well; there's no food chain involved. When you're eating a steak, you're not bullying or dominating it - you just eat.
> Its about the domination aspect, and it is very much an animal instinct.
BS. Like I said, lions eating deer is about food chain and survival, not domination.
About your examples: I might get a hard-on when I see a girl, but it doesn't mean I will attempt to sexually harass her right there and then, as any dog would. Then again, I might just get a sense of aesthetical pleasure rather than a hard-on - that would depend on the situation, and it would be foolish to deny that. Most males do not want to fuck as many females as possible, they tend to search for that one lifetime partner. Many parents kick their children out as soon as they reach 18 (or similar boundary age). Smart kids are being bullied just as often as the retarded ones.
It seems that you have trouble differentiating *instincts* and *behaviour*. I do not dispute that we humans have *evolved* from animals, that we have same base instincts. What I dispute is that you are overestimating the importance of the instincts, basically stating that we are *nothing* but instincts. If you were right, we wouldn't have art, religion, philosophy... and civilization.
I have nothing else to say on the matter.
Sayonara.
Nice try... ^_^
Lions continue to EAT the deer, yes. Somehow I think that the main reason for this is that deer are their food. Bullies are humans; their victims are, incidentally, humans as well; there's no food chain involved. When you're eating a steak, you're not bullying or dominating it - you just eat.
> Its about the domination aspect, and it is very much an animal instinct.
BS. Like I said, lions eating deer is about food chain and survival, not domination.
About your examples: I might get a hard-on when I see a girl, but it doesn't mean I will attempt to sexually harass her right there and then, as any dog would. Then again, I might just get a sense of aesthetical pleasure rather than a hard-on - that would depend on the situation, and it would be foolish to deny that. Most males do not want to fuck as many females as possible, they tend to search for that one lifetime partner. Many parents kick their children out as soon as they reach 18 (or similar boundary age). Smart kids are being bullied just as often as the retarded ones.
It seems that you have trouble differentiating *instincts* and *behaviour*. I do not dispute that we humans have *evolved* from animals, that we have same base instincts. What I dispute is that you are overestimating the importance of the instincts, basically stating that we are *nothing* but instincts. If you were right, we wouldn't have art, religion, philosophy... and civilization.
I have nothing else to say on the matter.
Sayonara.
ユギ,
You totally missed the point of lions eating deer. Lions continue to eat the deer because they are dominant. If they weren't, they wouldn't eat the deer. If deer were dominant over lions, they'd eat the lions and the lions would find a weaker species to dominate and eat. Bullies pick on their victims because they are dominant, not because they have to. You seem to miss the point that the strong dominate the weak. We just happen to be on the top, we dominate everything, even the weak in our own species. And yes, to point out a flaw in your argument, we do indeed dominate the steak we eat. We dominate it in its living form, the cow. We have the cow species domesticated, dominated, and closed in fenced off areas by the thousands, literally. I would certainly call that domination. They are our food supply, we are dominant over it.
I also did not imply that if you get an erection you instantly harass the object that sexually aroused you. I only wrote that it is a natural instinct of your body, the way it behaves, when something triggers it sexually that you get an erection. We do not control this action of our body 75% of the time. Also, I don't know of any guy who wouldn't fuck as many girls as he could if he could. Sure, some guys won't if they're married, but ask them to be honest and they'll say if they could get away with it guilt free, they'd go fuck as many women as possible even if they already have a mate. Again, instinct.
You also seem to have trouble realizing that I'm not claiming we are all instinct - I'm merely talking about our natural instincts and those of the natural world. Which is survival of the fittest and the strong dominate the weak. Bullying reflects this instinctual behavior in the natural world.
You totally missed the point of lions eating deer. Lions continue to eat the deer because they are dominant. If they weren't, they wouldn't eat the deer. If deer were dominant over lions, they'd eat the lions and the lions would find a weaker species to dominate and eat. Bullies pick on their victims because they are dominant, not because they have to. You seem to miss the point that the strong dominate the weak. We just happen to be on the top, we dominate everything, even the weak in our own species. And yes, to point out a flaw in your argument, we do indeed dominate the steak we eat. We dominate it in its living form, the cow. We have the cow species domesticated, dominated, and closed in fenced off areas by the thousands, literally. I would certainly call that domination. They are our food supply, we are dominant over it.
I also did not imply that if you get an erection you instantly harass the object that sexually aroused you. I only wrote that it is a natural instinct of your body, the way it behaves, when something triggers it sexually that you get an erection. We do not control this action of our body 75% of the time. Also, I don't know of any guy who wouldn't fuck as many girls as he could if he could. Sure, some guys won't if they're married, but ask them to be honest and they'll say if they could get away with it guilt free, they'd go fuck as many women as possible even if they already have a mate. Again, instinct.
You also seem to have trouble realizing that I'm not claiming we are all instinct - I'm merely talking about our natural instincts and those of the natural world. Which is survival of the fittest and the strong dominate the weak. Bullying reflects this instinctual behavior in the natural world.
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Some kids will stick up, some will just sit back and sympathize. But I will bet you any $$ amount that 80% of the time the group of normal kids will totally bully a retarded kid in their midst.
What do you think this topic is about? The whole original post was about how most people just stand by while a kid gets bullied. Key word here, MOST. MOST of the time, a group of normal people will have something shitty to say about someone abnormal. MOST of the time a retarded kid will get bullied by a group of normal kids because of their retardation. Its because they're weaker than the ones doing the bullying. The whole concept of my posts here is the natural behavior of the strong dominating the weak, which is essentially what bullying is.
Since the "we are people, not animals" argument was brought up, my second argument is that we are not above instinctual behavior because we are indeed animals. We don't ALWAYS act on it, but given most situations, MOST of the time we do without realizing it.
Look at how territorial humans are, and how we behave when an invader crosses into our territory without our permission. We get angry and often defend it. We go to war for it. We have crimes committed and gang warfare on the streets because of it. Guess what? Its instinctual animal behavior. The same thing happens with bears and their caves. Same with wolves and their territories marked by piss. They kill any wolf from another wolf pack who crosses into their territory. Sometimes we kill invaders, sometimes we don't, we have the intellect to make that decision. However, our natural instinct is to defend our territory at all costs and MOST people will act on that natural instinct MOST of the time, which is a behavior.
Obviously, there are exceptions, but my points are MOST of the time we will follow our natural instincts. I'm not saying we're unreasonable either, but we have our natural instincts for a reason and we've been a successful species because of it. A lot of our daily actions, even the intelligent ones, start off because of a basic instinctual need even if most people don't realize it.
Some kids will stick up, some will just sit back and sympathize. But I will bet you any $$ amount that 80% of the time the group of normal kids will totally bully a retarded kid in their midst.
What do you think this topic is about? The whole original post was about how most people just stand by while a kid gets bullied. Key word here, MOST. MOST of the time, a group of normal people will have something shitty to say about someone abnormal. MOST of the time a retarded kid will get bullied by a group of normal kids because of their retardation. Its because they're weaker than the ones doing the bullying. The whole concept of my posts here is the natural behavior of the strong dominating the weak, which is essentially what bullying is.
Since the "we are people, not animals" argument was brought up, my second argument is that we are not above instinctual behavior because we are indeed animals. We don't ALWAYS act on it, but given most situations, MOST of the time we do without realizing it.
Look at how territorial humans are, and how we behave when an invader crosses into our territory without our permission. We get angry and often defend it. We go to war for it. We have crimes committed and gang warfare on the streets because of it. Guess what? Its instinctual animal behavior. The same thing happens with bears and their caves. Same with wolves and their territories marked by piss. They kill any wolf from another wolf pack who crosses into their territory. Sometimes we kill invaders, sometimes we don't, we have the intellect to make that decision. However, our natural instinct is to defend our territory at all costs and MOST people will act on that natural instinct MOST of the time, which is a behavior.
Obviously, there are exceptions, but my points are MOST of the time we will follow our natural instincts. I'm not saying we're unreasonable either, but we have our natural instincts for a reason and we've been a successful species because of it. A lot of our daily actions, even the intelligent ones, start off because of a basic instinctual need even if most people don't realize it.
This is an interesting discussion... and just to be the devil's advocate:
ユギ >
There is evidence of bullying in groups of animals. Not necessarily for the dominant position, but for general acceptance. Even if an animal is in an omega role, it's still considered part of the pack. But some animals are driven off ruthlessly, not only by the leader, but by their fellow pack members who follow the leader's example. This, not the struggles for dominance, is where bullying truly lies in the animal world.
ユギ >
There is evidence of bullying in groups of animals. Not necessarily for the dominant position, but for general acceptance. Even if an animal is in an omega role, it's still considered part of the pack. But some animals are driven off ruthlessly, not only by the leader, but by their fellow pack members who follow the leader's example. This, not the struggles for dominance, is where bullying truly lies in the animal world.
Instances like that could possibly be when the animal might have been fathered by one of a competing pack's males. It could also be something deformed in the animal if it wasn't killed at birth, or even a bit insane behavior. The animal could carry the scent of man, and that will cause packs to drive them away or even kill them. The animal could also just be a weak link in the pack, so they drive it off. Regardless of the reason, just like us, animals have social circles and if they don't like a particular one, the one not liked is at the mercy of the pack. Not really any different from our so called modern society.
>But some kids never do that. They even protect and sympathize. How do you explain that? I personally call it above animal, or even above human.
The answer to this is quite simple, teachers or society in general teach that picking on or bullying retards is wrong and mean, many women ( who are nurturing in nature unlike males ) will be the first to stick up for them in school environments and the males who like the females in turn will stick up for them to impress the females, which of course is very animalistic )
>About your examples: I might get a hard-on when I see a girl, but it doesn't mean I will attempt to sexually harass her right there and then, as any dog would.
He never said anything about sexually harassing anyone, he was giving an example....a very basic animal instinct, males traditionally chase after females, it is part of life and mating, if the female rejects them they move on to other females who will accept them. Unless the female is the sexual aggressive one then this is the case in the animal world.
The answer to this is quite simple, teachers or society in general teach that picking on or bullying retards is wrong and mean, many women ( who are nurturing in nature unlike males ) will be the first to stick up for them in school environments and the males who like the females in turn will stick up for them to impress the females, which of course is very animalistic )
>About your examples: I might get a hard-on when I see a girl, but it doesn't mean I will attempt to sexually harass her right there and then, as any dog would.
He never said anything about sexually harassing anyone, he was giving an example....a very basic animal instinct, males traditionally chase after females, it is part of life and mating, if the female rejects them they move on to other females who will accept them. Unless the female is the sexual aggressive one then this is the case in the animal world.
>>But some kids never do that. They even protect and sympathize. How do you explain that? I personally call it above animal, or even above human.
>The answer to this is quite simple, teachers or society in general teach that picking on or bullying retards is wrong and mean
The question is animals don't.
Some kids are born with a warm heart already and don't need to be taught against bullying. Mysterious, isn't it? And why adults teach their kids bullying is wrong? Again, mysterious. Their ancestors must have been teaching down the ages. Then who is the first person that taught it and why has it spread among humans? Very mysterious. But one thing is certain ----- animals don't do that.
>The answer to this is quite simple, teachers or society in general teach that picking on or bullying retards is wrong and mean
The question is animals don't.
Some kids are born with a warm heart already and don't need to be taught against bullying. Mysterious, isn't it? And why adults teach their kids bullying is wrong? Again, mysterious. Their ancestors must have been teaching down the ages. Then who is the first person that taught it and why has it spread among humans? Very mysterious. But one thing is certain ----- animals don't do that.
It is not the slightest bit mysterious, human beings are animals, we just happen to be THE highest intelligent animals that we know of in the universe at this point. Because of this blessing and curse we have created horrible things which go against our prime animal instincs, worthless garbage like religions ( which are all man made to keep weak emotional people in line with whoever governs ), mans primary two instincts are to fuck and to fight, there is no difference between these two extremes.
Man fucks to keep his self going, man kills to survive and then fucks again and kills again in a repetitive cycle, people may not like this but that is what humanity is about, this is why hilarious nonsense like world peace is impossible, it may be a nice thought but it is quite unrealistic and stupid to believe in.
Animals do not pick on retards because they do not allow retards to live, because they have an instinct that knows these deformed offspring would not be able to make it on their own. Humanity has all sorts of cluttered things in its way to prevent this, ethics or morals, religious philosophy etc, humanity has become very soft, hundreds of years ago man would have been in prime physical condition, today humans are lazy soft slobs of what they once were, because of technology and everyone becoming super sensitive pathetic wretches, in essence humanity is polluting itself by keeping garbage genes around.
My dog for instance ( which is a jack russell and a highly intelligent dog ) learns things all the time, for example ( and she is almost 6 years old ) I am the point now where she can even spell, I used to ask her if she wanted her ball, now if I spell b a l l she also understands what that means, that is more than what even some human retards can learn! it honestly amazes me, but she does much more than that....she has her own personality just like how a human has, but her dog instincts are much more present sometimes because she has not been polluted by human social values,
Obviously pets still need humans to do things for them in a home because they are no longer out in the wild to take care of themselves with food etc, but if they were in the wild they have no problem running the show just how we do, with their own social structures.
Hell I could consider the web patterns my Tarantula makes, art!
The only thing that separates humans from other animals is our intelligence, otherwise humans are very much the same as animals in all other respects, we have envy like other animals, we have anger and seek to protect ourselves and home like other animals, we fuck to keep humanity going just like animals etc. Now I am not saying I personally believe humanity should resort to a pure basic primal animal instinct either, but to ignore what we are outright is self delusion.
The problem is, people do not like to accept this, in the same way people do not like to accept that after death there be nothing but a big black void and our very self and thought stops existing.
Man fucks to keep his self going, man kills to survive and then fucks again and kills again in a repetitive cycle, people may not like this but that is what humanity is about, this is why hilarious nonsense like world peace is impossible, it may be a nice thought but it is quite unrealistic and stupid to believe in.
Animals do not pick on retards because they do not allow retards to live, because they have an instinct that knows these deformed offspring would not be able to make it on their own. Humanity has all sorts of cluttered things in its way to prevent this, ethics or morals, religious philosophy etc, humanity has become very soft, hundreds of years ago man would have been in prime physical condition, today humans are lazy soft slobs of what they once were, because of technology and everyone becoming super sensitive pathetic wretches, in essence humanity is polluting itself by keeping garbage genes around.
My dog for instance ( which is a jack russell and a highly intelligent dog ) learns things all the time, for example ( and she is almost 6 years old ) I am the point now where she can even spell, I used to ask her if she wanted her ball, now if I spell b a l l she also understands what that means, that is more than what even some human retards can learn! it honestly amazes me, but she does much more than that....she has her own personality just like how a human has, but her dog instincts are much more present sometimes because she has not been polluted by human social values,
Obviously pets still need humans to do things for them in a home because they are no longer out in the wild to take care of themselves with food etc, but if they were in the wild they have no problem running the show just how we do, with their own social structures.
Hell I could consider the web patterns my Tarantula makes, art!
The only thing that separates humans from other animals is our intelligence, otherwise humans are very much the same as animals in all other respects, we have envy like other animals, we have anger and seek to protect ourselves and home like other animals, we fuck to keep humanity going just like animals etc. Now I am not saying I personally believe humanity should resort to a pure basic primal animal instinct either, but to ignore what we are outright is self delusion.
The problem is, people do not like to accept this, in the same way people do not like to accept that after death there be nothing but a big black void and our very self and thought stops existing.
>The problem is, people do not like to accept this, in the same way people do not like to accept that after death there be nothing but a big black void and our very self and thought stops existing.
but how did you know? : ) I don't know about it myself because i have never died yet.
>Man fucks to keep his self going, man kills to survive and then fucks again and kills again in a repetitive cycle,
but in most part of history, peace is bigger than war period, isn't it? I believe that's the main reason we have survived. : )
>people may not like this but that is what humanity is about,
have you killed someone to survive? I won't ask about fuck.
>this is why hilarious nonsense like world peace is impossible,
except areas in dispute, everywhere is pretty much peaceful, don't you think? That's why we can be having fun on the net nonchalantly.
>it may be a nice thought but it is quite unrealistic and stupid to believe in.
You may be right. Some day you may have to go to a war and kill or be killed with no time to fuck in the battle field. Or you could be in the street fight for your life. Then your point of view proves right. Do you want to be RIGHT?
but how did you know? : ) I don't know about it myself because i have never died yet.
>Man fucks to keep his self going, man kills to survive and then fucks again and kills again in a repetitive cycle,
but in most part of history, peace is bigger than war period, isn't it? I believe that's the main reason we have survived. : )
>people may not like this but that is what humanity is about,
have you killed someone to survive? I won't ask about fuck.
>this is why hilarious nonsense like world peace is impossible,
except areas in dispute, everywhere is pretty much peaceful, don't you think? That's why we can be having fun on the net nonchalantly.
>it may be a nice thought but it is quite unrealistic and stupid to believe in.
You may be right. Some day you may have to go to a war and kill or be killed with no time to fuck in the battle field. Or you could be in the street fight for your life. Then your point of view proves right. Do you want to be RIGHT?
>but in most part of history, peace is bigger than war period, isn't it? I believe that's the main reason we have survived. : )
Except this isn't true at all. Throughout our entire human history, we have been at war with one another somewhere at some time. There has never been a time of peace. The closest was about 300 years or so when the Roman empire had expanded and wasn't actively conquering other land. However, they still had to maintain their borders with many violent skirmishes about. You also had warring native American tribes during these times.
Never once in our history has there been peace, ever.
Except this isn't true at all. Throughout our entire human history, we have been at war with one another somewhere at some time. There has never been a time of peace. The closest was about 300 years or so when the Roman empire had expanded and wasn't actively conquering other land. However, they still had to maintain their borders with many violent skirmishes about. You also had warring native American tribes during these times.
Never once in our history has there been peace, ever.
>Never once in our history has there been peace, ever.
i don't know about you, but i have never fought in a war in my life. Lucky me.
yes war and peace take turns because no one can go on fighting. Which is longer, war or peace? Of course peace, otherwise we must have been extinguished from the earth long ago.
i don't know about you, but i have never fought in a war in my life. Lucky me.
yes war and peace take turns because no one can go on fighting. Which is longer, war or peace? Of course peace, otherwise we must have been extinguished from the earth long ago.
>but how did you know? : ) I don't know about it myself because i have never died yet.
I don't know or pretend to know, I just feel that the majority of humanity simply cannot handle that kind of "complete" death from a thought perspective. As in the possibility that once they do die, that really is IT, that kind of thinking is too much for some people, hence why alot of people use religion or spirituality as a crutch because it comforts them to think or be brainwashed into thinking that they have a chance to strum harps for eternity...instead of being worm food in the ground, you know what I mean ?
I am not saying those people are bad but some people believe they need crutches like this because sometimes the cold harsh reality is too much for their emotional state of being to handle.
>but in most part of history, peace is bigger than war period, isn't it? I believe that's the main reason we have survived. : )
War...or better yet violence, has been a part of mankind since he has existed, look at the last 100 years of history, we have had nothing but wars, all worthless with many innocent lives being lost all in the name of corrupt power and those in charge, feeding their animal nature to gravitate towards more and more power with no regards for anyone but themselves, this is because just like animals, mankind is selfish,
George Bush is guilty of this since he has been in power, like many other people in power, yet they say it is all in the name of peace and freedom, well history is always written by the winners or those in power, so if people want to believe such nonsense then I leave that up to whatever sense of logic they may have.
We have survived because of our animal instincts....which at it's core is just that, basic survival through any means necessary.
>have you killed someone to survive? I won't ask about fuck.
No of course not, I am not a violent person unless I have to be as in self defense.
>except areas in dispute, everywhere is pretty much peaceful, don't you think? That's why we can be having fun on the net nonchalantly.
Does Burma, Iraq or North Korea sound very "peaceful" to you right now ? like I said look at the last 100 years and tell me how much peace humanity has really had between each war and how stable was that peace even after each war ?
That fucking weasel in NK launching a nuclear missile into a sea probably causing tons of harm to innocent animal life is not exactly what I would call a friendly "Hey how are you", it is animalistic intimidation to feed what pathetic ego he has.
>You may be right. Some day you may have to go to a war and kill or be killed with no time to fuck in the battle field. Or you could be in the street fight for your life. Then your point of view proves right. Do you want to be RIGHT?
It is not a matter of being right or wrong ( anyway such ideals are subjective anyway ), it is simply a matter of reality, sure I think world peace would be great and a good think for humanity but the logical part of me says NO, that is just not possible because man destroys and creates, it is part of his nature and it is impossible to change that just like it is impossible to change a dog from wanting food all the time.
Has nothing to do with me wanting to be right, I accept that people have opinions and that my reasoning or views may not always be correct, but I still give mine just like others do.
I don't know or pretend to know, I just feel that the majority of humanity simply cannot handle that kind of "complete" death from a thought perspective. As in the possibility that once they do die, that really is IT, that kind of thinking is too much for some people, hence why alot of people use religion or spirituality as a crutch because it comforts them to think or be brainwashed into thinking that they have a chance to strum harps for eternity...instead of being worm food in the ground, you know what I mean ?
I am not saying those people are bad but some people believe they need crutches like this because sometimes the cold harsh reality is too much for their emotional state of being to handle.
>but in most part of history, peace is bigger than war period, isn't it? I believe that's the main reason we have survived. : )
War...or better yet violence, has been a part of mankind since he has existed, look at the last 100 years of history, we have had nothing but wars, all worthless with many innocent lives being lost all in the name of corrupt power and those in charge, feeding their animal nature to gravitate towards more and more power with no regards for anyone but themselves, this is because just like animals, mankind is selfish,
George Bush is guilty of this since he has been in power, like many other people in power, yet they say it is all in the name of peace and freedom, well history is always written by the winners or those in power, so if people want to believe such nonsense then I leave that up to whatever sense of logic they may have.
We have survived because of our animal instincts....which at it's core is just that, basic survival through any means necessary.
>have you killed someone to survive? I won't ask about fuck.
No of course not, I am not a violent person unless I have to be as in self defense.
>except areas in dispute, everywhere is pretty much peaceful, don't you think? That's why we can be having fun on the net nonchalantly.
Does Burma, Iraq or North Korea sound very "peaceful" to you right now ? like I said look at the last 100 years and tell me how much peace humanity has really had between each war and how stable was that peace even after each war ?
That fucking weasel in NK launching a nuclear missile into a sea probably causing tons of harm to innocent animal life is not exactly what I would call a friendly "Hey how are you", it is animalistic intimidation to feed what pathetic ego he has.
>You may be right. Some day you may have to go to a war and kill or be killed with no time to fuck in the battle field. Or you could be in the street fight for your life. Then your point of view proves right. Do you want to be RIGHT?
It is not a matter of being right or wrong ( anyway such ideals are subjective anyway ), it is simply a matter of reality, sure I think world peace would be great and a good think for humanity but the logical part of me says NO, that is just not possible because man destroys and creates, it is part of his nature and it is impossible to change that just like it is impossible to change a dog from wanting food all the time.
Has nothing to do with me wanting to be right, I accept that people have opinions and that my reasoning or views may not always be correct, but I still give mine just like others do.
>i don't know about you, but i have never fought in a war in my life. Lucky me.
That doesn't mean there isn't a war going on somewhere else in the world. That is a very ignorant to the world around you.
>yes war and peace take turns because no one can go on fighting. Which is longer, war or peace? Of course peace, otherwise we must have been extinguished from the earth long ago. 山羊座
No, actually war has been around forever, in all parts of the world. We survive because we have the will to, not because of peace. We survive as nations. Look at the poor nations in Africa constantly at war with each other. They're surviving, even during war time. However, they aren't enjoying their lives, are they? All life forms have a will to live and survive, even if it is miserable.
That doesn't mean there isn't a war going on somewhere else in the world. That is a very ignorant to the world around you.
>yes war and peace take turns because no one can go on fighting. Which is longer, war or peace? Of course peace, otherwise we must have been extinguished from the earth long ago. 山羊座
No, actually war has been around forever, in all parts of the world. We survive because we have the will to, not because of peace. We survive as nations. Look at the poor nations in Africa constantly at war with each other. They're surviving, even during war time. However, they aren't enjoying their lives, are they? All life forms have a will to live and survive, even if it is miserable.
wars aside...
that is a very difficult situation you described Moonchilde.
My immediate instinct would be to stand up for the perosn being bullied.However,there would be the factor of the whole class turning on you as well. Perhaps,even if I was unable to stand up for/or protect the person for some reason, then I would never join in the bullying.To me,it's a truely cowardly act. In my high school,a girl tried to become a bully (I don't know why) and as soon as everyone realised what she was trying to do,people started ostracising her,and eventually she stopped because she realised noone would support her or encourage her actions. Once she stopped,she was accepted again.It may be a totally unique situation compared to other occurances around the world,but maybe it is the way to do things.
Anyone who watched the dorama LIFE will know that once Manami's support was gone, she was weakened.As long as there is encouragement of bullying,or for the bully themselves,it will just continue..
well,that was my 2cents!:)
that is a very difficult situation you described Moonchilde.
My immediate instinct would be to stand up for the perosn being bullied.However,there would be the factor of the whole class turning on you as well. Perhaps,even if I was unable to stand up for/or protect the person for some reason, then I would never join in the bullying.To me,it's a truely cowardly act. In my high school,a girl tried to become a bully (I don't know why) and as soon as everyone realised what she was trying to do,people started ostracising her,and eventually she stopped because she realised noone would support her or encourage her actions. Once she stopped,she was accepted again.It may be a totally unique situation compared to other occurances around the world,but maybe it is the way to do things.
Anyone who watched the dorama LIFE will know that once Manami's support was gone, she was weakened.As long as there is encouragement of bullying,or for the bully themselves,it will just continue..
well,that was my 2cents!:)
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