Personally I'm not a fan. Whether it is the thick cut sliced bread with the weird texture or the stuff that looks good on the outside but once bitten into has a filling that I think would disgust most westerners, I cannot seem to find any that I really like. Has anybody ever found a brand of bread they feel meets up to western standards?
Also has anybody every found a way/place to easily score some hamburger buns, other than going to the local Mac and begging to buy some of theirs? I don't get it, I mean, you can get hamburgers in restaurants but it seems you cannot find buns in a supermarket for the life of you.
Also has anybody every found a way/place to easily score some hamburger buns, other than going to the local Mac and begging to buy some of theirs? I don't get it, I mean, you can get hamburgers in restaurants but it seems you cannot find buns in a supermarket for the life of you.
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TokyoOG> Wow that is impressive. Is it all complementary or at least all you can make yourself fat with. I think it is rare to find a restuarant in Japan (especially italian) where the bread is complementary.
Stamina> I'm surprised more people are not in agreement with me so far. All the westerners I know in Kakegawa think the bread isn't up to standard. Or a least that the "creations",which seem to dominate the supermarket, are not what they go for. Everybody here seems to like melon-pan which I think is ok, but I don't like sweet breads really. Stuff like that isn't what I'm looking for.
Stamina> I'm surprised more people are not in agreement with me so far. All the westerners I know in Kakegawa think the bread isn't up to standard. Or a least that the "creations",which seem to dominate the supermarket, are not what they go for. Everybody here seems to like melon-pan which I think is ok, but I don't like sweet breads really. Stuff like that isn't what I'm looking for.
だいはど＞Well, it just goes to show that people generally like what they grow up with. The bread I eat in america is soft, but not chewy and rubbery, so yeah you could say I don't like the chewy and rubbery part. But I would not describe the bread I eat (sandwich bread) as dry or stiff. I suppose there are tons of different brands to chose from all over the US, so I'm sure people have gotten many different impressions.
Wavebird-9>Oh I had no problem adapting to Japanese food, I like it right along with other asian cuisine. You could say that in general though that it is the western food and some of the basics that I really don't like here much. By basics I mean, bread and dairy products (cheese is fine though). And western food.. well, to me it is tough to find good reasonably priced Italian food in Japan, and a great pizza is another rare occurance. Mexican food, etc... Don't get me wrong I still drink milk and buy butter here, and order pizza, but it just doesn't do it for me like back home.
Just like Chinese food in America is really Americanized, Western food in Japan is really Japanized.
Just like Chinese food in America is really Americanized, Western food in Japan is really Japanized.
I like breads from the Canadian market or Japan. It never made too much difference to me. I appreciate the extra thick cut bread in Japan because.. I'm a pretty big eater and it saves me having to toast too many slices before I'm happy.
I was disappointed with the lack of selections of brown/wholegrain breads in Japan while I was there. There's a big stigma associated with "brown" bread in Japan it would seem. My parents both despised brown bread when they first came to Canada because they experienced eating post-war "brown" bread in Japan, and if you want nasty, that was among the nastiest. According to rumour, they really did put sawdust into the flour to increase the volume of the bread.. gaaah.. (@.@)
I was disappointed with the lack of selections of brown/wholegrain breads in Japan while I was there. There's a big stigma associated with "brown" bread in Japan it would seem. My parents both despised brown bread when they first came to Canada because they experienced eating post-war "brown" bread in Japan, and if you want nasty, that was among the nastiest. According to rumour, they really did put sawdust into the flour to increase the volume of the bread.. gaaah.. (@.@)
47> Most Italian places I go to have complimentary bread. I like the garlic toast at Antonios. They don't butter the bread they let the garlic cloves melt on it.
Go to Nissin if you want Hamburger buns, or Kinokuniya.
If your notion of fine brad starts and ends with Wonder, then you are shit out of luck. There are plenty of bakeries in Tokyo that have fine bread, where some import the yeast and flour from France or Italy. The bread is not the same as what I had in Europe but it is very close. The bread at Il Mulino is good. THe bread at Joel Robouchon is good. THe bread at Napule is quite good.
Good Italian and French breads are quite easy to find. Sandwich bread you just ask the baker to cut into thinner slices.
Good bagels or bialis are another matter altogether. Japanese have not gotten these down yet.
Go to Nissin if you want Hamburger buns, or Kinokuniya.
If your notion of fine brad starts and ends with Wonder, then you are shit out of luck. There are plenty of bakeries in Tokyo that have fine bread, where some import the yeast and flour from France or Italy. The bread is not the same as what I had in Europe but it is very close. The bread at Il Mulino is good. THe bread at Joel Robouchon is good. THe bread at Napule is quite good.
Good Italian and French breads are quite easy to find. Sandwich bread you just ask the baker to cut into thinner slices.
Good bagels or bialis are another matter altogether. Japanese have not gotten these down yet.
Just when I thought the New York hot dog was the most
perfect fast food on Earth, I discover the Japanese
have taken a donut and put a frankfurt inside.
I mean a full on donut with sugar wrapped around a
hot dog frank. Goes into the list of things that made
me feel slightly ill until I tried it.
perfect fast food on Earth, I discover the Japanese
have taken a donut and put a frankfurt inside.
I mean a full on donut with sugar wrapped around a
hot dog frank. Goes into the list of things that made
me feel slightly ill until I tried it.
>Andy
I understand man. You just miss that taste of home right? It happens to everybody. The best thing you can hope for is a something that somewhat resembles what you remember for home. Just try to fight the craving if at all possible. I know, sometimes you are just dying for something from home. I know not everyone likes Chicago style pizza, but nothing says home to me like a big fat hunk of Chicago pizza, so I totally understand. Best of luck to you. If, no when, you find something that can at least satisfy your craving, stock up, and memorize the route to said establishment lol.
Hey, look on the bright side, at least you like Japanese food. I have a friend living in Tokyo who doesn't like Japanese food. Shit out of luck ね！
I understand man. You just miss that taste of home right? It happens to everybody. The best thing you can hope for is a something that somewhat resembles what you remember for home. Just try to fight the craving if at all possible. I know, sometimes you are just dying for something from home. I know not everyone likes Chicago style pizza, but nothing says home to me like a big fat hunk of Chicago pizza, so I totally understand. Best of luck to you. If, no when, you find something that can at least satisfy your craving, stock up, and memorize the route to said establishment lol.
Hey, look on the bright side, at least you like Japanese food. I have a friend living in Tokyo who doesn't like Japanese food. Shit out of luck ね！
Andy (#49),
Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I agree that people generally like (and miss) what they grew up eating. The funny thing to me is, I grew up in Japan yet LOVE most American food. I often surprise (and tick off) my Japanese wife by saying how I'd prefer American food over Japanese on many occasions. The Japanese white bread is one of the few Japanese foods that I miss dearly. :)
Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I agree that people generally like (and miss) what they grew up eating. The funny thing to me is, I grew up in Japan yet LOVE most American food. I often surprise (and tick off) my Japanese wife by saying how I'd prefer American food over Japanese on many occasions. The Japanese white bread is one of the few Japanese foods that I miss dearly. :)
Speak of loaf, I love Japanese one because it is really fine texture than others. The Japanese loaf is now became Japanese original food such as ramen or curry and so on. Meantime, I love bagels in NY. Japanese bagels are totally disgusting. I think these differences come from moisture and flours. It is really hard to find the strongest flour for bagels in Japan. Even if find the strongest flour, the moisture effect something bad. On the contrary, loaf in US is not so good. These things make me guess like if Udon will be made by US flours in US, it will be not for human being.
It's funny you should say that, because there is
a well known U.S. company that is growing Japanese
short grain rice.
But for some reason it tastes totally different.
Japanese grown rice is really expensive and
really hard to get in Australia. So when I saw
that the same rice was being grown in the U.S.
I was really happy, I thought 'great I can
save $30'!
You think rice is rice, and I would say that
the American grown rice doesn't taste bad, but
it definitely tastes different.
a well known U.S. company that is growing Japanese
short grain rice.
But for some reason it tastes totally different.
Japanese grown rice is really expensive and
really hard to get in Australia. So when I saw
that the same rice was being grown in the U.S.
I was really happy, I thought 'great I can
save $30'!
You think rice is rice, and I would say that
the American grown rice doesn't taste bad, but
it definitely tastes different.
rajio:
That's kind of like people who swear by Coke and hate Pepsi. But when they take the Pepsi/Coke challenge, they can't tell the difference.
I remember watching a TV variety show that challenged Japanese people to determine which koshihikari rice was grown in the US and which was grown in Japan.
Er...most people couldn't even tell the difference.
That's kind of like people who swear by Coke and hate Pepsi. But when they take the Pepsi/Coke challenge, they can't tell the difference.
I remember watching a TV variety show that challenged Japanese people to determine which koshihikari rice was grown in the US and which was grown in Japan.
Er...most people couldn't even tell the difference.
I live in Montreal, Canada and here, we have many french style bakely and american style bakely. (because montreal's first language is french) I found French style and American style is completely different, too. French style bakely has many dessert bread like Japanese one. My husband is from here, and I think his favorit is Japanese bread, though I understand people have their own preferences. Also his cousin went to Japan for 1 years and he does not like white bread so it was hard him to find brown one in Japan. It must be hard for you that you cannot find your bread you like, because it will probably hard if I cannot find Japanese rice here. I hope you can find your favorite one!
wow this thread is still alive. I thought it died out days ago.
Thanks for all your input. I searched through the new Besia in town today, and found they have hamburger and hotdog buns. I couldnt believe it. (they must have been sold out last time) I have yet to try them, but they looked ok.
Thanks for all your input. I searched through the new Besia in town today, and found they have hamburger and hotdog buns. I couldnt believe it. (they must have been sold out last time) I have yet to try them, but they looked ok.
73 ... maybe you don't like UK bread but it's a LOT cheaper than in Japan. 6 slices? 8 slices? For 180 yen! What's that all about? Bit of a rip off. In the UK you can get a huge loaf for the same price.
Bread in the UK is bad if you buy the supermarket's own inferior quality which is made from the sweepings off the floor; Tesco's 24 pence crap loaf. Yuk! But, if you buy Hovis or Kingsmill it's the best. Or, get bread fresh from a local bakery. You can't beat it.
Personally, Japanese bread is too sweet for me. I've found a couple of brands I like, and some from a local bakery in Tsukuba is not too bad but, on the whole, I'm not a huge fan of Japanese bread. Too sweet, too expensive and not enough of it.
Still, you likes what you likes.
Bread in the UK is bad if you buy the supermarket's own inferior quality which is made from the sweepings off the floor; Tesco's 24 pence crap loaf. Yuk! But, if you buy Hovis or Kingsmill it's the best. Or, get bread fresh from a local bakery. You can't beat it.
Personally, Japanese bread is too sweet for me. I've found a couple of brands I like, and some from a local bakery in Tsukuba is not too bad but, on the whole, I'm not a huge fan of Japanese bread. Too sweet, too expensive and not enough of it.
Still, you likes what you likes.
だいはど:
I bet many people think that they have had actual Kobe beef when they've actually had NA "Kobe style" beef. There was an article in the NY Times about it. It dealt more with the "Kobe beef" trend going on in the US (kobe beef hot dogs, anybody??) though I am sure much of it holds true in Japan also, considering the amount of beef that is imported into Japan. Have yet to try the real thing though, so I can't really make a comparison.
This has absolutely nothing to do with bread.
I bet many people think that they have had actual Kobe beef when they've actually had NA "Kobe style" beef. There was an article in the NY Times about it. It dealt more with the "Kobe beef" trend going on in the US (kobe beef hot dogs, anybody??) though I am sure much of it holds true in Japan also, considering the amount of beef that is imported into Japan. Have yet to try the real thing though, so I can't really make a comparison.
This has absolutely nothing to do with bread.
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