Damon Wilson: (20:03)
Let me ask a related question to China because you recently joined our stage for a conversation on transatlantic cooperation on AI, artificial intelligence, you're leading an innovation drive at the Alliance itself. How do you think of, how does the Alliance think about, digital and data, and tech as part of its future. How does that factor in to a new NATO strategy?
Deputy Secretary General:
Listen so this is the most important driver of transformation in our societies. Not geopolitics but also geo economics and economy and the way we work, live and exist. And new technologies, we call them emerging and disruptive technologies in our parlance at NATO – it’ss already a very, I would say a dominant part of our conversation. As we speak, both on the civilian side of the Alliance, on innovation, on new technologies we are working on a roadmap, an implementation roadmap, that also would land, somehow, on the table of our Leaders when they will be meeting next year.
Our military colleagues are also working on, of course, an adaptation of what it means for our defence security and warfighting capabilities; the arrival of these technologies. And, of course, some of the issues we discussed also with the National Commission on AI. That also the Atlantic Council is encouraging us to interact and we learned a lot in that conversation. AI and big data that's a major transformation for everything we do, but also for everything we do in terms of defence and security. Quantum computing is here and is going to change dramatically, many many ways, both in civilian life but also in military and defence and security dimension. Human enhancement, biotechnology, space, which is the latest of the operational domains that NATO has embraced also in London. So, this is a dominant feature. And what I believe, speaking of the political West, is that if we are true to the hypothesis that we are an Alliance and a global Alliance of like minded democratic nations, free nations, we have to make sure that when we start, not only to regulate, but to legislate, to introduce new technologies into our lives, to make sure that they have embedded, also, the value part.
What really makes us, the kind of open societies that we are.
And this is a formidable task. And this is something that I believe, sort of a transatlantic digital community if you want. Also EU can play and should play and are playing a very important role, and we welcome the fact that the EU is making already some propositions to the incoming American administration to try to see how can we put together our collective instruments of economic, technological, financial, but also values, ethical, and international norms into this. For us in NATO it is very important not only to look into the traditional arms control, and to their traditional way in which we try to regulate in a way, military competition and armaments around the world - but this new generation of technology that is also, in security terms, becoming dominant, is not regulated at all.
We have no international system to work into this. So that's what we need that, bringing all of us together in shaping the rules of the game. Hopefully, the global rules of the game will have a tremendous advantage on our side, is one of the most important jobs we have at hand. And this is where I think NATO, together with other like minded organisations can really play a very important role.
Damon Wilson:
Let me just ask a last question here about there’s some discussion in the report at NATO headquarters about looking at climate issues like the pandemic, public health and security issues, and some believe this is right, it's important. Some believe this is taking NATO off its game. How do you sort of see - is this an area where the allies can consult together on how to deal with common challenges, or does NATO have a more direct role in issues, broader security issues like climate, public health.
Deputy Secretary General:
When recognising that NATO is not a frontline if you want organisation in dealing with these things there are many other national, international fora that are doing this, we are also very much aware that the very definition of security is becoming much broader. And speaking of Africa and terrorism, and the risk of illegal migration and all these kind of things, climate change is impacting on our security.
Climate change is changing, also in your report, there is one of the essays on the high north, and how this is also spurring geopolitical competition for the high North between also, China and Russia and now another places. So for NATO, even if we are not, you know in the first line of response to this kind of thing, internalising the consequences of climate change for us from a security standpoint is paramount.
So yes, climate change is a big thing for us in NATO. Of course, immediate climate change, changing our footprint, our missions, operations, our military operations impact on the climate, that's important and we do that, but I think that from a security standpoint, not including climate change would be, you know, a huge mistake that we cannot afford to make so yes, climate change and other related global security challenges are, in our immediate attention and we will deal with those very, very actively.
Damon Wilson:
I'm going to have to conclude this part Ambassador, with one question; yes or no answer. A lot of folks here wonder, will the increased defence investment among allies continue, once President Trump leaves office, yes or no? Do you see defence investment going to continue to increase among European allies.
Deputy Secretary General :Yes,
Damon Wilson:
Perfect. That's a very helpful answer for many on both sides of the Atlantic. And Mr. Ambassador thank you so much, thank you for giving us your time to kick off this session we're super excited to hear as you said from some of the next generation voices.
(26:49)
Let me ask a related question to China because you recently joined our stage for a conversation on transatlantic cooperation on AI, artificial intelligence, you're leading an innovation drive at the Alliance itself. How do you think of, how does the Alliance think about, digital and data, and tech as part of its future. How does that factor in to a new NATO strategy?
Deputy Secretary General:
Listen so this is the most important driver of transformation in our societies. Not geopolitics but also geo economics and economy and the way we work, live and exist. And new technologies, we call them emerging and disruptive technologies in our parlance at NATO – it’ss already a very, I would say a dominant part of our conversation. As we speak, both on the civilian side of the Alliance, on innovation, on new technologies we are working on a roadmap, an implementation roadmap, that also would land, somehow, on the table of our Leaders when they will be meeting next year.
Our military colleagues are also working on, of course, an adaptation of what it means for our defence security and warfighting capabilities; the arrival of these technologies. And, of course, some of the issues we discussed also with the National Commission on AI. That also the Atlantic Council is encouraging us to interact and we learned a lot in that conversation. AI and big data that's a major transformation for everything we do, but also for everything we do in terms of defence and security. Quantum computing is here and is going to change dramatically, many many ways, both in civilian life but also in military and defence and security dimension. Human enhancement, biotechnology, space, which is the latest of the operational domains that NATO has embraced also in London. So, this is a dominant feature. And what I believe, speaking of the political West, is that if we are true to the hypothesis that we are an Alliance and a global Alliance of like minded democratic nations, free nations, we have to make sure that when we start, not only to regulate, but to legislate, to introduce new technologies into our lives, to make sure that they have embedded, also, the value part.
What really makes us, the kind of open societies that we are.
And this is a formidable task. And this is something that I believe, sort of a transatlantic digital community if you want. Also EU can play and should play and are playing a very important role, and we welcome the fact that the EU is making already some propositions to the incoming American administration to try to see how can we put together our collective instruments of economic, technological, financial, but also values, ethical, and international norms into this. For us in NATO it is very important not only to look into the traditional arms control, and to their traditional way in which we try to regulate in a way, military competition and armaments around the world - but this new generation of technology that is also, in security terms, becoming dominant, is not regulated at all.
We have no international system to work into this. So that's what we need that, bringing all of us together in shaping the rules of the game. Hopefully, the global rules of the game will have a tremendous advantage on our side, is one of the most important jobs we have at hand. And this is where I think NATO, together with other like minded organisations can really play a very important role.
Damon Wilson:
Let me just ask a last question here about there’s some discussion in the report at NATO headquarters about looking at climate issues like the pandemic, public health and security issues, and some believe this is right, it's important. Some believe this is taking NATO off its game. How do you sort of see - is this an area where the allies can consult together on how to deal with common challenges, or does NATO have a more direct role in issues, broader security issues like climate, public health.
Deputy Secretary General:
When recognising that NATO is not a frontline if you want organisation in dealing with these things there are many other national, international fora that are doing this, we are also very much aware that the very definition of security is becoming much broader. And speaking of Africa and terrorism, and the risk of illegal migration and all these kind of things, climate change is impacting on our security.
Climate change is changing, also in your report, there is one of the essays on the high north, and how this is also spurring geopolitical competition for the high North between also, China and Russia and now another places. So for NATO, even if we are not, you know in the first line of response to this kind of thing, internalising the consequences of climate change for us from a security standpoint is paramount.
So yes, climate change is a big thing for us in NATO. Of course, immediate climate change, changing our footprint, our missions, operations, our military operations impact on the climate, that's important and we do that, but I think that from a security standpoint, not including climate change would be, you know, a huge mistake that we cannot afford to make so yes, climate change and other related global security challenges are, in our immediate attention and we will deal with those very, very actively.
Damon Wilson:
I'm going to have to conclude this part Ambassador, with one question; yes or no answer. A lot of folks here wonder, will the increased defence investment among allies continue, once President Trump leaves office, yes or no? Do you see defence investment going to continue to increase among European allies.
Deputy Secretary General :Yes,
Damon Wilson:
Perfect. That's a very helpful answer for many on both sides of the Atlantic. And Mr. Ambassador thank you so much, thank you for giving us your time to kick off this session we're super excited to hear as you said from some of the next generation voices.
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