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Speaker 2: (19:44)Governor [inaudible 00:19:44] things. Is this a mock-up presumably or is this-
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (19:45)No.
Speaker 2: (19:49)So this is the actual vaccine, which you have up there?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (19:49)
I will give you the first one, if you come here. I will be the first one to administer under doctor supervision.
Speaker 3: (19:58)That’s an actual vaccine?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (19:58)
I’m going to also put some of this, New York Clean in the vaccine, which will have the added-
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (20:03)
… New York clean in the vaccine, which will have the added benefit of cleaning your arteries while you’re being treated by the vaccine. We can do it all at the same time.
Jesse: (20:14)Real quick. On the-
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (20:15)
There is no vaccine in this vial. It is a vial, but it is without vaccine.
Jesse: (20:22)So coming back to the focus areas, the hotspots-
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (20:25)
But I didn’t want to tell him that. I was going to put this in the vial and inject it into his own. Clean up his act.
Jesse: (20:35)
So going back to the focus zones, at this point, I’ve lost count, I believe there’s 22 or so that are above 5%. Do you feel that the state has moved from kind of a containment strategy at this point to a mitigation strategy as part of this second wave?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (20:50)
I don’t know that really containment and mitigation are applicable anymore, Jesse. Those were sort of terms they used early on. We are trying to contain, we are trying to mitigate. We’ve been doing both, right? Reduce the spread, flatten the curve, but also contain it. So I think we’ve been pursuing both strategies now from the get-go.
Jesse: (21:22)Okay. And on that-
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (21:22)
There’s no doubt you’re seeing a nationwide global increase in the overall numbers. And then it depends on how you want to argue it, New York is seeing much less of an increase than other states, but we’re still seeing an increase.
Jesse: (21:36)
Do you feel that the hotspot strategy, the micro-clusters, has worked? Has that been a success considering the kind of spread of it?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (21:42)
Oh yeah. Oh yes. Look, you’re not going to … Do I think we’re going to defy human nature and global dynamics? No. You’re into the holiday season, you’re seeing the same thing all across the world. Now, defy is a funny word. Has New York defied the dynamic more than other states? Yes. Has it defied it in total? No. You know it has defied it because that’s the Johns Hopkins. Can you put up Johns Hopkins again? The Johns Hopkins chart shows New York has defied the national surge, right? Otherwise, New York would have to be up there with Idaho and Kansas and South Dakota. Hasn’t defied it absolutely. But it has largely. That’s why we’re all the way at the bottom.
(22:48)
The micro-clusters is because we have so much data, much more data than any other state because we have so many tests. We know exactly where people live. So from a medical point of view, you can target much more closely and you can target the medical resources so you’re not chasing all over the state. You know it’s this community. And to the extent you have to do economic restrictions, it’s just this community. You don’t have to close a restaurant in Queens because you have a problem in Brooklyn. You don’t have to close a restaurant in Utica because you have a problem in Albany.
Jesse: (23:33)
On the same token though, when you talk about the using hospitalization rates as a new metric, right, to establish these zones, are you at all concerned about waiting this kind of seven to ten days after Thanksgiving? Once again, this is a virus that has shown itself to be very effective in spreading. A couple of days can make a difference. Are you worried about changing those metrics that far, taking that much time to change the metrics?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (23:59)
Well, we’re adding the hospitalization rate to the factors, right? But where we are now, the hospitalization is most important. Are you going to see the infection rate increase? Yes. You’re going to see it continue to increase, I believe, all through the hospital season. You talk to people like Dr. Fauci, the CDC experts, they all say the same thing.
Jesse: (24:27)
I guess the question is if the restrictions are pegged to orange, red, yellow zones on businesses and things like that, and we’re waiting an extra seven to ten days to restrict those things while we kind of assemble data post-Thanksgiving, is that waiting too long?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (24:43)
Well, we have restricted them. And here’s the real problem. The valve analogy and restricting, slowing the spread. At one time, you controlled, to a large extent, activity that was causing the spread. At this point, you don’t control the overwhelming majority of the activity causing the spread because over 70% of the spread is beyond your control. It’s in small gatherings, it’s in household parties. It was at the Thanksgiving table. Government cannot control that. The gyms, salons, the protocols are working. They’re a very small percentage of increase. Restaurants, bars.
Jesse: (25:47)
[inaudible 00:25:47] for a second. You said 70% of the indoor gatherings. But then when we spoke to Rob yesterday, he said that’s only the 70% of the 20% that you’ve been able to contact trace. So that’s actually, really, only, verifiable, only 14% that we know are coming from indoor gatherings.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (26:01)No, no, no.
Jesse: (26:01)Extrapolating that to the whole.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (26:04)
You’re extrapolating to the whole. 20% of the contact tracing is the database, which is tens of thousands of points of data. How many people is the 20%? Do you remember? What was it? 30,000. You have 30,000 data points. 30,000 data points is a large sample. You take a statewide sample, you do 500 people, you extrapolate to the state, right? You do 500 people, you’re going to extrapolate to the nation. You have 30,000 data points. That’s a lot of data to extrapolate from.
Speaker 4: (27:00)But Governor-
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (27:00)Let’s do someone else first. Can we just?
Speaker 4: (27:03)
[inaudible 00:27:07]. I was just looking to clarify what he was asking. How can you say that’s a representative sample or not?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (27:10)I said 30,000 is a very large sample.
Speaker 4: (27:13)
To Jesse’s point, you can’t really, necessarily say that’s a representative sample to completely rule out any spread from any businesses that are still open or indoor dining.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (27:24)
30,000, I think anybody would say, is a very, very large sample to use as a reference point. I mean, 30,000. You know anything else that has a database of 30,000?
Speaker 4: (27:40)I do know that when it comes to-
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (27:41)Ann, do you have a question?
Ann: (27:44)
Yes, I have one on vaccines and one on nursing homes. First of all, on the vaccine, you said that you wouldn’t ask anyone to take the vaccine that you wouldn’t take yourself. Will you take the vaccine? Will you do it like you did with the test and do it in front of everyone?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (27:56)Yes. Next question. Yes, I said that.
Ann: (27:57)Will you be one of the first? Will you take it?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (28:01)I said that.
Ann: (28:02)You will?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (28:02)
I said I would not ask anyone to take a vaccine that I wouldn’t take myself. I said I wouldn’t ask anyone to take the COVID test that I wouldn’t take myself.
Ann: (28:09)
And on the skepticism about vaccines, a lot of folks that we’ve spoken with, they’re concerned that they’ll have to take a vaccine to get on a plane or that the state will be very strict and make people take the vaccine in order to get into a nursing home or eventually to go to school. Do you support measures like that? To get on a plane to travel, should you have to take a vaccine for COVID?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (28:35)
We don’t control air travel requirements. That’s a federal obligation.
Speaker 5: (28:42)
Governor, I have a question that’s actually not in regards to this. But today we found out about five big arrests of MTA workers who made hundreds of thousands of dollars in overtime hours that they didn’t actually work. Actually, the MTA inspector general was involved in this. But anyway, the arrests are tied to a federal investigation. What do you think of this? And do you think that this is a sign of corruption or mismanagement in the MTA?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (29:06)
I think there are bad apples in every line of work. You have a multiple thousand workforce, you’re going to have people who take advantage of the system. I was the attorney general in this state. There are bad bankers, there are bad brokers, there are bad lawyers, there are bad doctors, there are bad college presidents. And I have no doubt that there are people who will abuse the system. I also did MTA cases as the attorney general, by the way, on disability benefits. You have to have a system in place that can catch the person who commits fraud. There’s an old saying before your time, locks keep honest people honest. Locks keep honest-
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (30:03)
… honest. Locks keep honest people honest. Have a system in place where if somebody defrauds the system, you catch them. I said to the MTA, I went to a facility late at night. I spoke about this gentleman named Jim Dwyer. He’s a great columnist, was within New York Times, really a beautiful guy who I’ve known for many, many years. We go to an MTA facility about midnight one night and people were supposed to be working and nobody was there. Nobody was there. We went through the whole place, said to the supervisor, “Where are the employees?” And there was supposed to be a camera. The camera was not operating. Right? So you have to have the systems in place where people know, if I leave early, then I can get caught and I will get fired. And if you don’t have those systems in place, yeah, locks keep honest people honest. Yeah, last one.
Speaker 5: (31:22)
A followup though. A lot of this overtime mess goes back to even further than 2018. How come this hasn’t been rectified prior? Again, not to say you control the MTA, but that has been alleged, that you do control the MTA. [crosstalk 00:31:34]
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (31:35)You will never eradicate all bad actors in any system.
Speaker 5: (31:40)But $460,000 is a lot of money in overtime. That’s actually double what your salary would be.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (31:50)Yeah. But how many people work, was it?
Speaker 5: (31:52)Five guys. And that’s a large amount.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (31:54)
Five guys. How many employees of the MTA about?
Speaker 6: (31:57)70,000.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (31:58)
70,000. So it’s five guys. You have a 70,000 person workforce. Right? You’re always going to have bad apples. Go ahead.
Speaker 7: (32:06)
Governor, just a couple of questions for you. You talked about hospital beds, but do you know how many ICU beds are currently available? Also any comments on the State Board of Elections certifying every race today, except for the 22nd Congressional District race? And one more question. Under normal circumstances, the Electoral College would be casting their votes, including yourself, here from the Capitol on December 14th. Is that still going to be happening here or will that be happening virtually?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (32:30)
Those are all very hard questions that I do not know the answers to, but we will try to work them through one at a time. Where do the electors act?
Speaker 8: (32:43)
I actually don’t know. We usually do it in the Assembly chamber or Senate chamber. I’ll find out and get back to you how we’re doing it this year.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (32:49)
Nobody knows. You have stumped the panel. You win the first [inaudible 00:32:55] award. Come on up and get the first… What was your second question?
Speaker 7: (33:03)
Any comments on the State Board of Elections certifying every race except for the 22nd Congressional District race? And do you know how many ICU beds we have?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (33:14)
Any comments on the Board of Elections certifying except the 22nd.
Speaker 8: (33:18)[inaudible 00:33:19].
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (33:20)I’m sorry. (33:22)Yeah. I hope they certify the 22nd race. I know it’s a close race. But great, as soon as they can certify all the races, they should. How many ICU beds available. Dr. Zucker’s going to answer that question right off the top of his head.
Dr. Zucker: (33:39)
Yeah. Well, I could tell you by some of the regions, but we’re running around 20%. What do you have?
Speaker 9: (33:46)
There’s 6,000 available. Used to be 6,000 total in New York state. About 2,300 are available right now. And there’s 377 COVID patients in ICU right now.
Speaker 10: (33:56)Is that part of the 53,000 that the governor mentioned before?
Speaker 9: (33:57)Yeah, that’s right.
Speaker 10: (33:57)
And when you say 35, 000 are currently occupied, does that include the 4,000 that are elective?
Speaker 9: (34:03)Yes.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (34:03)Yes.
Speaker 5: (34:07)How many do you expect [inaudible 00:34:07]
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (34:07)
If you end elective surgery, the 35,000 comes down. Right? That’s part of the flex in surge. Of the 35,000 summer trauma emergency who went in, many of them are elective surgery. That’s why when you end elective surgery, you make more beds available. So you open capacity that way. The 50% mandatory addition to the beds brought you from 50 to 75. Right? So that’s the flex that you have on the system.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (34:41)
I was going to say, did you answer the full question. What did you say?
Speaker 5: (34:48)
[inaudible 00:34:48] if you could go over. So how many will you need if you go into a second wave? Or do you guys have a larger estimate?
Speaker 9: (34:58)How many ICU beds will the state need in a-
Speaker 5: (35:00)
Yes. We’ve got right now 6,000 in the state. How many are you estimating you need?
Speaker 9: (35:03)So we have 6,000 right now total ICU beds in the state.
Speaker 5: (35:09)And that’s available [crosstalk 00:35:09].
Speaker 9: (35:09)
Total ICU beds in the state. Exact number is 5,976. That’s total ICU beds in the state. Of those, 2,144 are available. 2,144 are available.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (35:25)How many of the 2,000 people are COVID people?
Speaker 9: (35:30)377.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (35:31)Okay. Dr. Zucker, you had a point.
Speaker 5: (35:35)377. So how many are you going to need then if you guys…
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (35:36)You don’t know.
Speaker 5: (35:36)You don’t know. [inaudible 00:35:38].
Dr. Zucker: (35:38)
I think you should… We’ve looked at the numbers. Back in March, the percentage of people who were hospitalized for COVID that ended up in the ICU was 25%. And now it’s down at 19%. The people who ended up in the ICU who were hospitalized back in March, April, at that time, 85 to 90% ended up intubated. Whereas now, it’s only about 45 to 50% that were intubated. It’s a reflection of a better management of patients who have coronavirus and also people coming to the hospital probably sooner because they recognize they may be ill. So those numbers have obviously improved from March to now. So that reflect what will happen.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (36:18)
The hospital treatment has changed dramatically. Remember the first time it was they went into a hospital, we needed a ventilator, they were intubated. The number of intubations is way down. They’ve changed the medical protocol. The number that go to ICU is down. The number that is intubated is down. And the number that die has… What’s the death rate?
Speaker 9: (36:41)It’s about 8%.
Dr. Zucker: (36:43)Right around, yeah, 8% now.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (36:44)It’s 8%, down from what?
Speaker 9: (36:45)23%.
Dr. Zucker: (36:45)23.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (36:46)
23. Death rate was 23% if you went into the hospital. It’s now down to 8%. Okay, I’m going to go to work. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Speaker 2: (19:44)Governor [inaudible 00:19:44] things. Is this a mock-up presumably or is this-
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (19:45)No.
Speaker 2: (19:49)So this is the actual vaccine, which you have up there?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (19:49)
I will give you the first one, if you come here. I will be the first one to administer under doctor supervision.
Speaker 3: (19:58)That’s an actual vaccine?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (19:58)
I’m going to also put some of this, New York Clean in the vaccine, which will have the added-
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (20:03)
… New York clean in the vaccine, which will have the added benefit of cleaning your arteries while you’re being treated by the vaccine. We can do it all at the same time.
Jesse: (20:14)Real quick. On the-
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (20:15)
There is no vaccine in this vial. It is a vial, but it is without vaccine.
Jesse: (20:22)So coming back to the focus areas, the hotspots-
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (20:25)
But I didn’t want to tell him that. I was going to put this in the vial and inject it into his own. Clean up his act.
Jesse: (20:35)
So going back to the focus zones, at this point, I’ve lost count, I believe there’s 22 or so that are above 5%. Do you feel that the state has moved from kind of a containment strategy at this point to a mitigation strategy as part of this second wave?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (20:50)
I don’t know that really containment and mitigation are applicable anymore, Jesse. Those were sort of terms they used early on. We are trying to contain, we are trying to mitigate. We’ve been doing both, right? Reduce the spread, flatten the curve, but also contain it. So I think we’ve been pursuing both strategies now from the get-go.
Jesse: (21:22)Okay. And on that-
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (21:22)
There’s no doubt you’re seeing a nationwide global increase in the overall numbers. And then it depends on how you want to argue it, New York is seeing much less of an increase than other states, but we’re still seeing an increase.
Jesse: (21:36)
Do you feel that the hotspot strategy, the micro-clusters, has worked? Has that been a success considering the kind of spread of it?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (21:42)
Oh yeah. Oh yes. Look, you’re not going to … Do I think we’re going to defy human nature and global dynamics? No. You’re into the holiday season, you’re seeing the same thing all across the world. Now, defy is a funny word. Has New York defied the dynamic more than other states? Yes. Has it defied it in total? No. You know it has defied it because that’s the Johns Hopkins. Can you put up Johns Hopkins again? The Johns Hopkins chart shows New York has defied the national surge, right? Otherwise, New York would have to be up there with Idaho and Kansas and South Dakota. Hasn’t defied it absolutely. But it has largely. That’s why we’re all the way at the bottom.
(22:48)
The micro-clusters is because we have so much data, much more data than any other state because we have so many tests. We know exactly where people live. So from a medical point of view, you can target much more closely and you can target the medical resources so you’re not chasing all over the state. You know it’s this community. And to the extent you have to do economic restrictions, it’s just this community. You don’t have to close a restaurant in Queens because you have a problem in Brooklyn. You don’t have to close a restaurant in Utica because you have a problem in Albany.
Jesse: (23:33)
On the same token though, when you talk about the using hospitalization rates as a new metric, right, to establish these zones, are you at all concerned about waiting this kind of seven to ten days after Thanksgiving? Once again, this is a virus that has shown itself to be very effective in spreading. A couple of days can make a difference. Are you worried about changing those metrics that far, taking that much time to change the metrics?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (23:59)
Well, we’re adding the hospitalization rate to the factors, right? But where we are now, the hospitalization is most important. Are you going to see the infection rate increase? Yes. You’re going to see it continue to increase, I believe, all through the hospital season. You talk to people like Dr. Fauci, the CDC experts, they all say the same thing.
Jesse: (24:27)
I guess the question is if the restrictions are pegged to orange, red, yellow zones on businesses and things like that, and we’re waiting an extra seven to ten days to restrict those things while we kind of assemble data post-Thanksgiving, is that waiting too long?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (24:43)
Well, we have restricted them. And here’s the real problem. The valve analogy and restricting, slowing the spread. At one time, you controlled, to a large extent, activity that was causing the spread. At this point, you don’t control the overwhelming majority of the activity causing the spread because over 70% of the spread is beyond your control. It’s in small gatherings, it’s in household parties. It was at the Thanksgiving table. Government cannot control that. The gyms, salons, the protocols are working. They’re a very small percentage of increase. Restaurants, bars.
Jesse: (25:47)
[inaudible 00:25:47] for a second. You said 70% of the indoor gatherings. But then when we spoke to Rob yesterday, he said that’s only the 70% of the 20% that you’ve been able to contact trace. So that’s actually, really, only, verifiable, only 14% that we know are coming from indoor gatherings.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (26:01)No, no, no.
Jesse: (26:01)Extrapolating that to the whole.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (26:04)
You’re extrapolating to the whole. 20% of the contact tracing is the database, which is tens of thousands of points of data. How many people is the 20%? Do you remember? What was it? 30,000. You have 30,000 data points. 30,000 data points is a large sample. You take a statewide sample, you do 500 people, you extrapolate to the state, right? You do 500 people, you’re going to extrapolate to the nation. You have 30,000 data points. That’s a lot of data to extrapolate from.
Speaker 4: (27:00)But Governor-
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (27:00)Let’s do someone else first. Can we just?
Speaker 4: (27:03)
[inaudible 00:27:07]. I was just looking to clarify what he was asking. How can you say that’s a representative sample or not?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (27:10)I said 30,000 is a very large sample.
Speaker 4: (27:13)
To Jesse’s point, you can’t really, necessarily say that’s a representative sample to completely rule out any spread from any businesses that are still open or indoor dining.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (27:24)
30,000, I think anybody would say, is a very, very large sample to use as a reference point. I mean, 30,000. You know anything else that has a database of 30,000?
Speaker 4: (27:40)I do know that when it comes to-
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (27:41)Ann, do you have a question?
Ann: (27:44)
Yes, I have one on vaccines and one on nursing homes. First of all, on the vaccine, you said that you wouldn’t ask anyone to take the vaccine that you wouldn’t take yourself. Will you take the vaccine? Will you do it like you did with the test and do it in front of everyone?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (27:56)Yes. Next question. Yes, I said that.
Ann: (27:57)Will you be one of the first? Will you take it?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (28:01)I said that.
Ann: (28:02)You will?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (28:02)
I said I would not ask anyone to take a vaccine that I wouldn’t take myself. I said I wouldn’t ask anyone to take the COVID test that I wouldn’t take myself.
Ann: (28:09)
And on the skepticism about vaccines, a lot of folks that we’ve spoken with, they’re concerned that they’ll have to take a vaccine to get on a plane or that the state will be very strict and make people take the vaccine in order to get into a nursing home or eventually to go to school. Do you support measures like that? To get on a plane to travel, should you have to take a vaccine for COVID?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (28:35)
We don’t control air travel requirements. That’s a federal obligation.
Speaker 5: (28:42)
Governor, I have a question that’s actually not in regards to this. But today we found out about five big arrests of MTA workers who made hundreds of thousands of dollars in overtime hours that they didn’t actually work. Actually, the MTA inspector general was involved in this. But anyway, the arrests are tied to a federal investigation. What do you think of this? And do you think that this is a sign of corruption or mismanagement in the MTA?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (29:06)
I think there are bad apples in every line of work. You have a multiple thousand workforce, you’re going to have people who take advantage of the system. I was the attorney general in this state. There are bad bankers, there are bad brokers, there are bad lawyers, there are bad doctors, there are bad college presidents. And I have no doubt that there are people who will abuse the system. I also did MTA cases as the attorney general, by the way, on disability benefits. You have to have a system in place that can catch the person who commits fraud. There’s an old saying before your time, locks keep honest people honest. Locks keep honest-
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (30:03)
… honest. Locks keep honest people honest. Have a system in place where if somebody defrauds the system, you catch them. I said to the MTA, I went to a facility late at night. I spoke about this gentleman named Jim Dwyer. He’s a great columnist, was within New York Times, really a beautiful guy who I’ve known for many, many years. We go to an MTA facility about midnight one night and people were supposed to be working and nobody was there. Nobody was there. We went through the whole place, said to the supervisor, “Where are the employees?” And there was supposed to be a camera. The camera was not operating. Right? So you have to have the systems in place where people know, if I leave early, then I can get caught and I will get fired. And if you don’t have those systems in place, yeah, locks keep honest people honest. Yeah, last one.
Speaker 5: (31:22)
A followup though. A lot of this overtime mess goes back to even further than 2018. How come this hasn’t been rectified prior? Again, not to say you control the MTA, but that has been alleged, that you do control the MTA. [crosstalk 00:31:34]
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (31:35)You will never eradicate all bad actors in any system.
Speaker 5: (31:40)But $460,000 is a lot of money in overtime. That’s actually double what your salary would be.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (31:50)Yeah. But how many people work, was it?
Speaker 5: (31:52)Five guys. And that’s a large amount.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (31:54)
Five guys. How many employees of the MTA about?
Speaker 6: (31:57)70,000.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (31:58)
70,000. So it’s five guys. You have a 70,000 person workforce. Right? You’re always going to have bad apples. Go ahead.
Speaker 7: (32:06)
Governor, just a couple of questions for you. You talked about hospital beds, but do you know how many ICU beds are currently available? Also any comments on the State Board of Elections certifying every race today, except for the 22nd Congressional District race? And one more question. Under normal circumstances, the Electoral College would be casting their votes, including yourself, here from the Capitol on December 14th. Is that still going to be happening here or will that be happening virtually?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (32:30)
Those are all very hard questions that I do not know the answers to, but we will try to work them through one at a time. Where do the electors act?
Speaker 8: (32:43)
I actually don’t know. We usually do it in the Assembly chamber or Senate chamber. I’ll find out and get back to you how we’re doing it this year.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (32:49)
Nobody knows. You have stumped the panel. You win the first [inaudible 00:32:55] award. Come on up and get the first… What was your second question?
Speaker 7: (33:03)
Any comments on the State Board of Elections certifying every race except for the 22nd Congressional District race? And do you know how many ICU beds we have?
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (33:14)
Any comments on the Board of Elections certifying except the 22nd.
Speaker 8: (33:18)[inaudible 00:33:19].
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (33:20)I’m sorry. (33:22)Yeah. I hope they certify the 22nd race. I know it’s a close race. But great, as soon as they can certify all the races, they should. How many ICU beds available. Dr. Zucker’s going to answer that question right off the top of his head.
Dr. Zucker: (33:39)
Yeah. Well, I could tell you by some of the regions, but we’re running around 20%. What do you have?
Speaker 9: (33:46)
There’s 6,000 available. Used to be 6,000 total in New York state. About 2,300 are available right now. And there’s 377 COVID patients in ICU right now.
Speaker 10: (33:56)Is that part of the 53,000 that the governor mentioned before?
Speaker 9: (33:57)Yeah, that’s right.
Speaker 10: (33:57)
And when you say 35, 000 are currently occupied, does that include the 4,000 that are elective?
Speaker 9: (34:03)Yes.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (34:03)Yes.
Speaker 5: (34:07)How many do you expect [inaudible 00:34:07]
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (34:07)
If you end elective surgery, the 35,000 comes down. Right? That’s part of the flex in surge. Of the 35,000 summer trauma emergency who went in, many of them are elective surgery. That’s why when you end elective surgery, you make more beds available. So you open capacity that way. The 50% mandatory addition to the beds brought you from 50 to 75. Right? So that’s the flex that you have on the system.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (34:41)
I was going to say, did you answer the full question. What did you say?
Speaker 5: (34:48)
[inaudible 00:34:48] if you could go over. So how many will you need if you go into a second wave? Or do you guys have a larger estimate?
Speaker 9: (34:58)How many ICU beds will the state need in a-
Speaker 5: (35:00)
Yes. We’ve got right now 6,000 in the state. How many are you estimating you need?
Speaker 9: (35:03)So we have 6,000 right now total ICU beds in the state.
Speaker 5: (35:09)And that’s available [crosstalk 00:35:09].
Speaker 9: (35:09)
Total ICU beds in the state. Exact number is 5,976. That’s total ICU beds in the state. Of those, 2,144 are available. 2,144 are available.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (35:25)How many of the 2,000 people are COVID people?
Speaker 9: (35:30)377.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (35:31)Okay. Dr. Zucker, you had a point.
Speaker 5: (35:35)377. So how many are you going to need then if you guys…
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (35:36)You don’t know.
Speaker 5: (35:36)You don’t know. [inaudible 00:35:38].
Dr. Zucker: (35:38)
I think you should… We’ve looked at the numbers. Back in March, the percentage of people who were hospitalized for COVID that ended up in the ICU was 25%. And now it’s down at 19%. The people who ended up in the ICU who were hospitalized back in March, April, at that time, 85 to 90% ended up intubated. Whereas now, it’s only about 45 to 50% that were intubated. It’s a reflection of a better management of patients who have coronavirus and also people coming to the hospital probably sooner because they recognize they may be ill. So those numbers have obviously improved from March to now. So that reflect what will happen.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (36:18)
The hospital treatment has changed dramatically. Remember the first time it was they went into a hospital, we needed a ventilator, they were intubated. The number of intubations is way down. They’ve changed the medical protocol. The number that go to ICU is down. The number that is intubated is down. And the number that die has… What’s the death rate?
Speaker 9: (36:41)It’s about 8%.
Dr. Zucker: (36:43)Right around, yeah, 8% now.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (36:44)It’s 8%, down from what?
Speaker 9: (36:45)23%.
Dr. Zucker: (36:45)23.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo: (36:46)
23. Death rate was 23% if you went into the hospital. It’s now down to 8%. Okay, I’m going to go to work. Thank you very much. Thank you.
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