vain suomea-japania kommuuniコミュのWhere & how did you get　GOOD Finnish dictionaries?

I have two Finnish dictionaries.
But many Finnish languages ae not on them and
It's really confused me a lot! I know it's often with Finnish lamguage.
If you know brilliant dictionary to study Finnish,
please let me know!

私は２冊フィンランド語の辞書を持っています。
でも沢山の単語が辞書に載っていないし、とても困ってます。それが当たり前だということも知っていますが･･･。
だれかとても良い辞書をご存知でしたら教えてください！

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[2] mixiユーザー 09月14日 21:11

I don't have any idea if they're any good in studying Finnish, but at least for Finns studying English, I think the best ones are the big dictionaries by WSOY... maybe they're good the other way around, too, but someone else could probably answer that better.

"Uusi suomi-englanti-suursanakirja" (ISBN: 951-0-18435-7)
"Englanti-suomi-suursanakirja" (ISBN: 951-0-27675-8)

They are quite big, and not exactly cheap (around 80 euros each in Finland), and I've no idea if they're available anywhere else...

But like with any Finnish dictionaries, all entries are in basic form only, and I doubt that they would have a very extensive slang and casual language vocabulary.

[3] mixiユーザー 09月14日 21:59

PUPUさん
今持っている辞書は１０年ほど前に買った
The Standard Finnish Dictionary/Cassel
（フィンランド語-英語、英語-フィンランド語）
と最近買った
『フィン・日小事典』
です。どっちも何となく中途半端･･･。
先に文法の構造を覚えたほうが良いかもと思ってます。

vlumi
Thanks for good adovice to me!
Finnish language has many hurdles to understand!
I'll try to find these dictionaries that you recommend o me and make money to buy them!

English is easier than Finnish!

[5] mixiユーザー 09月30日 16:59

Minulla on tämä:
Suomi-japani-suomi: 5000 sanaa ja sanontaa

Tekijät
Kauppila, Jari (Toimittaja)
Igarashi, Jun (Toimittaja)

Kustantaja ja painovuosi
ATENA KUSTANNUS OY 2005

Tuotteen tiedot
nidottu, 303 s.
pehmeäkantinen

Kieli
suomi

ISBN
9517962819

Kirjastoluokka
K87038

Siitä voisi olla hyötyä myös suomea opiskelevalle. =)

[6] mixiユーザー 10月02日 13:55

PUPUさん
色々ありがとうございます！
フィンランド語は難しいですが少しずつ理解出来てます。

マイヤさん
I'm sorry I can't understand Finnish yet!
I have interest in your comment's picture of the dictionaly! I have a plan to go to TOKYO in november. I'm going to lookig for the dictionaly!

It is really interesting to me that what kind of dictionalies and texts Japanese people use to study Finnish and what kind of dictionaries and texts use Finnish people to study Japanese!

Sory for my poor English!
フィンランド語またはフィンランド人の方が日本語をどんな辞書やテキストで勉強してるか調べて見ると面白いかも！

[7] mixiユーザー 10月07日 07:07

In our school we use a book series called "Japanese for busy people" (the pics, there's third book too, but in our school we only use the two first ones, I have "kana" version of the latter, no romaji that is). It's in english though so it's not too good for other way around. I don't think there's any books in finnish related to studying japanese, if dictionaries aren't counted in (like the one mentioned earlier). My sister uses Oxford Japanese-English dictionary, it's quite thick and has lots of words, I use computer dictionary called KanjiBrowze, too bad both are in english.

[8] mixiユーザー 10月07日 07:10

Oh.. sorry for double posting, but forgot to mention. The book series we use is more focused in formal Japanese and business related stuff so it isn't the best pick for the people wanting to learn "normal" japanese I guess, but I'm no expert yet.. x)

[9] mixiユーザー 10月08日 16:04

Finnish people learn Japanese in English? It's really interesting to me! It's really difficult to find text books or books to learning langages that suitale for you! I also have interestes in "normal Japanese"! I learnt English with British magazine "kerrang!". I want to learn normal English when I read the interviews in the magazine. Because there were many 4 leter words and printed "****". There are many text books to learn foreign languages,but I cannot have the interest in them!

[10] mixiユーザー 10月11日 03:04

Yeah, it's really hard to find any good material for Japanese studying in Finnish. Though it helps quite some because on 3rd grade at grade school you can pick one of about 3-5 languages you want to study as your "A"-language. English, Swedish, German, French and sometimes Russian too. You study this A language for about 13 years till the end of high school.

In junior high you can pick one extra language at 8th grade (more choices, depending on school like Latin, Spanish, Italian, etc. I guess Japanese might be possible too, but only in few places in Finland) and you have to pick swedish at 7th grade and study it till end of high school since it's our second mother tongue.

It helped me to study english when I played english games (adventure mainly) when I was kid, I've also had many foreign penpals I've had to talk english with. I guess only way to learn is to start with easy words and then gradually expand your vocabulary. Helps a lot if there's some person to correct the mistakes.

[11] mixiユーザー 11月26日 16:20

I got two dictionaries. Bigger one is "Suomi- Japani Sanakirja"by Hisashi hatano.This dictionary has many words and a table of conjugations from "Suomen kielen perussankirija". This dictionary is really usefull! And small one is by Jussila Yoshinobu Honda.This dictionay is very simple and includes some words for Helsink's daily conversation.I think these dictionaries good for beginners!

I'm going to become accustomed to Finnish! But I can find words that I want to know more than before! I REALLY appreciate everyone (PUPUさん、vlmiさん、マイヤさん、Bayliさん）who gave me excellent advices!
Kiitän sinua sydämestäni!!! :)

[12] mixiユーザー 11月26日 23:31

Mielestani ta"ma" ryhma" on suomenkieleva ka"ytta"va"
ryhma". Mutta ta"ssa" puhutettu englanninkilelta.
Olkaa hyva" ja ka"ytta"a" suomenkielta enemma"n.
En osaa ymmarra" englantia yhta"a"n.

[14] mixiユーザー 11月28日 04:04

http://www.kodansha-intl.com/books/html/en/9784770028020.html

Tämä löytyi aviomieheni kirjahyllyistä, joka on Japania opiskeleville hyvin suositeltävä ainakin omasta mielestäni. Ikävä kyllä tuota ei mieheni kerkiä lukemään...

Mulla oli ollut sellainen ajatus että kaikki tekijöiden epäonnistuneet japanin oppikirjat, kun siinä ei yleensä löydy asioita, jotka japania äidinkielenä käyttäjälle alitajuisia, sekä vieraana kielenä opiville siksi hyvin tärkeä tietää.

Mutta tämän kirjan kirjoittaja (Amerikkalainen) tietää sen kaikki ja onnistui selittämään selkeäasti ne hyvin pienet ja samalla tärkeat ilmiot japanin kielen käytännossä.
Kirja oli siis hyvin mielenkiitoista myös japanilaisillekin..

これはアメリカ人が書いた日本語論なんですが、とにかく目から鱗でした！「あげる」と「くれる」の違いとか、日本人なら考えもしないようなことが、学習者にとっていかに難しいのか、教えるにはどうしたらいいのか、ヒントになります。。。って私は日本語教師じゃないですが（笑）
ただし初心者向きじゃないです！日本語中級以上の人たちにおすすめです。