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Regarding the word "gaijin",
As far as I (Japanese) know, "gaijin" has no negative or derogatory contets, and just neutrally literally means foreigner, non-Japanese. The sentence like this, for instance, - "You never understand it because you are a gaijin" - carries a negative meaning due to the sentence's contents itself, not due to a single word "gaijin".
Regarding the word "Asian",
As far as I know, the Japanese who has an exerience of living abroad etc. will consider himself/herself an Asian and a Japanese when he/she interface with European or American etc. The point is that it depends upon the relative position to the people you're facing with.
As far as I (Japanese) know, "gaijin" has no negative or derogatory contets, and just neutrally literally means foreigner, non-Japanese. The sentence like this, for instance, - "You never understand it because you are a gaijin" - carries a negative meaning due to the sentence's contents itself, not due to a single word "gaijin".
Regarding the word "Asian",
As far as I know, the Japanese who has an exerience of living abroad etc. will consider himself/herself an Asian and a Japanese when he/she interface with European or American etc. The point is that it depends upon the relative position to the people you're facing with.
86 武蔵野千葉氏:
> As far as I know, the Japanese who has an exerience of living abroad etc. will consider himself/herself an Asian and a Japanese when he/she interface with European or American etc.
Yes, this was my point earlier. A Japanese person can easily consider themselves "Asian", but not consider themselves "アジア系". There's nothing inconsistent about that; they're words in different languages and they're used differently.
> As far as I know, the Japanese who has an exerience of living abroad etc. will consider himself/herself an Asian and a Japanese when he/she interface with European or American etc.
Yes, this was my point earlier. A Japanese person can easily consider themselves "Asian", but not consider themselves "アジア系". There's nothing inconsistent about that; they're words in different languages and they're used differently.
Personally, I am not so much a white person as i am a light pink/peachy tone. I dont really find the terms "caucasian", "white", "snowflake", "honky", or "whitey" offensive per se but it does really depend on the intent.
Any form of classification is bound to cause some kind of offence in someone, as they may not identify or agree with the term being used. The terms, with which we refer to ourselves are mostly left-overs from colonialism and may not ever change.
#80 > Amber, regarding your statement that in Western Countries commonalities are embraced... this is true, but it is of course not exclusive to Western Countries. People will always long to find similarities, we are nervous, social animals and groups are safe. It is truly unfortunate that sometimes people refuse to celebrate differences, and instead fear them (or worse, strive to illiminate them) but this is something that happens globally. Please dont get me wrong, i am not just throwing my hands up in the air and saying "oh well", I do attempt to experience things that are strange or different to me and to even revel in them, and i definately encourage others in doing the same, but still there will always be some comfort in the common (by the way, i am not refering to skin colour or race in this statement, just experiences).
Any form of classification is bound to cause some kind of offence in someone, as they may not identify or agree with the term being used. The terms, with which we refer to ourselves are mostly left-overs from colonialism and may not ever change.
#80 > Amber, regarding your statement that in Western Countries commonalities are embraced... this is true, but it is of course not exclusive to Western Countries. People will always long to find similarities, we are nervous, social animals and groups are safe. It is truly unfortunate that sometimes people refuse to celebrate differences, and instead fear them (or worse, strive to illiminate them) but this is something that happens globally. Please dont get me wrong, i am not just throwing my hands up in the air and saying "oh well", I do attempt to experience things that are strange or different to me and to even revel in them, and i definately encourage others in doing the same, but still there will always be some comfort in the common (by the way, i am not refering to skin colour or race in this statement, just experiences).
> 87 fenomas
Regarding "アジア系(ajia-kei)",
Many japanese, regardless of having an experience of living abroad or of being a foreigner, tend to relate the word "アジア系" with southeast Asia. For instance, Vietnamese furniture can be described as アジア系 furniture whereas Chinese (or Korean too???) furniture are less likely to be described as アジア系 furniture, I guess.
However, most japanese say southeastern Asian, Chinese and Korean people as "アジア系" people, especially on TV news.
In general, as China and Korea has become conspicuous recently as big or unique cultural powers, many Japanese tend to identify chinese and Korean stuff as Chinese and Korean individually, instead of as Asian or "アジア系".
Regarding "アジア系(ajia-kei)",
Many japanese, regardless of having an experience of living abroad or of being a foreigner, tend to relate the word "アジア系" with southeast Asia. For instance, Vietnamese furniture can be described as アジア系 furniture whereas Chinese (or Korean too???) furniture are less likely to be described as アジア系 furniture, I guess.
However, most japanese say southeastern Asian, Chinese and Korean people as "アジア系" people, especially on TV news.
In general, as China and Korea has become conspicuous recently as big or unique cultural powers, many Japanese tend to identify chinese and Korean stuff as Chinese and Korean individually, instead of as Asian or "アジア系".
>Unfortunately, there aren't any equivalent,derogatory words
for whites
Well, "honky" isn't exactly a compliment...
But, seriously, all these PC euphemisms are annoying, because they're not accurate at all, and they give me the feeling that people are somehow embarrassed about whatever race or races they happen to be.
For example, if we want to refer to someone's race, "Asian" is inaccurate unless you ignore all the brown and white races that are native to Asia, which is pretty racist and insulting to them when you think about it, ne? And what if you describe a guy as "Asian" and his family has been here in the USA for 3 generations, and originally emigrated from France? Also, "Asian" tells me nothing about his culture or language - after all, most of the people in the world are Asian, and often they don't even look at all alike.
OK, I'm white (Irish/Italian-American), my husband is Japanese and a lot of my friends are Chinese, Japanese, black, or a mixture of any of the above. When we're trying to describe somebody, we'll usually say "he's a light-skinned black guy", or she "looks Chinese (or Japanese, or maybe Vietnamese") or Hispanic, whatever.
"Native American" is also meaningless, because, since I was born here, I'm a native American by definition. Most American Indians here refer to themselves as just that - "American Indian", "Amer-Indian", or, better yet, "Mohawk", etc.
BTW, way back in the 70s "woman of color" came into vogue for a while; I think that was the goofiest race euphemism I've heard yet - I always wanted to reply "What color is that?"
for whites
Well, "honky" isn't exactly a compliment...
But, seriously, all these PC euphemisms are annoying, because they're not accurate at all, and they give me the feeling that people are somehow embarrassed about whatever race or races they happen to be.
For example, if we want to refer to someone's race, "Asian" is inaccurate unless you ignore all the brown and white races that are native to Asia, which is pretty racist and insulting to them when you think about it, ne? And what if you describe a guy as "Asian" and his family has been here in the USA for 3 generations, and originally emigrated from France? Also, "Asian" tells me nothing about his culture or language - after all, most of the people in the world are Asian, and often they don't even look at all alike.
OK, I'm white (Irish/Italian-American), my husband is Japanese and a lot of my friends are Chinese, Japanese, black, or a mixture of any of the above. When we're trying to describe somebody, we'll usually say "he's a light-skinned black guy", or she "looks Chinese (or Japanese, or maybe Vietnamese") or Hispanic, whatever.
"Native American" is also meaningless, because, since I was born here, I'm a native American by definition. Most American Indians here refer to themselves as just that - "American Indian", "Amer-Indian", or, better yet, "Mohawk", etc.
BTW, way back in the 70s "woman of color" came into vogue for a while; I think that was the goofiest race euphemism I've heard yet - I always wanted to reply "What color is that?"
I don't care to be called white. ...it's what I am. "Caucasian" is usually used in news reports and documents (like an application form, etc), so it would seem strange to me to hear someone refer to someone else as Caucasian.
Even the more derogatory terms for white people don't really offend me. I suppose it depends on for what purpose they are being used... Jokes don't bother me at all, but I would be a little offended if someone called me a name because of what race I am. Which word someone would use doesn't matter to me, it is really in the intent.
Whenever someone is being racist, it is really a declaration of their own ignorance. I see it to be the same as someone saying, "Hey! I'm really dumb!" I guess that's why it doesn't bother me too much.
Even the more derogatory terms for white people don't really offend me. I suppose it depends on for what purpose they are being used... Jokes don't bother me at all, but I would be a little offended if someone called me a name because of what race I am. Which word someone would use doesn't matter to me, it is really in the intent.
Whenever someone is being racist, it is really a declaration of their own ignorance. I see it to be the same as someone saying, "Hey! I'm really dumb!" I guess that's why it doesn't bother me too much.
101 Gattsu,
lol there isn't racism in hawaii! OMG, hawaii!! Not tough and hardcore enough!!
You won't get the sarcasm but don't worry about it. I totally forgot about the word haole, I haven't been there in about 13 years so it slipped my mind. I heard that word tossed around a lot, and even though it meant foreigner it was always used exclusively for whites by the locals. Filipinos and polynesians seemed to drop it most. I never really cared, and that was just the way it was, but I did get first hand experience of hearing it several times.
lol there isn't racism in hawaii! OMG, hawaii!! Not tough and hardcore enough!!
You won't get the sarcasm but don't worry about it. I totally forgot about the word haole, I haven't been there in about 13 years so it slipped my mind. I heard that word tossed around a lot, and even though it meant foreigner it was always used exclusively for whites by the locals. Filipinos and polynesians seemed to drop it most. I never really cared, and that was just the way it was, but I did get first hand experience of hearing it several times.
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I was being sarcastic, but when this discussion came up a while back Hawaii wasn't hardcore enough to be a possibly racist environment and that white people don't get any racism there.
I lived there for 8 years man, I know in the right areas you could get your ass kicked for being a haole if you look at someone the wrong way. Thats true of any place, but what some people didn't understand was that in Hawaii white people are the minority group.
I was being sarcastic, but when this discussion came up a while back Hawaii wasn't hardcore enough to be a possibly racist environment and that white people don't get any racism there.
I lived there for 8 years man, I know in the right areas you could get your ass kicked for being a haole if you look at someone the wrong way. Thats true of any place, but what some people didn't understand was that in Hawaii white people are the minority group.
DownTown Wahiawa? Wtf? Wahiawa ia an extention of the U.S. Army, unless you go up to the Heights or to Ohai Street. Filipinos prefer knives and belive me, the bad boys have some serious firepower. (Nothing against Filipinos, they are cool).
Areas get a bad rap because a few idiots do something terrible. You should add Waikiki to your list. Waikiki has the highest number of assaults, rapes, robberies, although I don't know the stats about murders there.
Unlike to kooks in the mainland, we tend to use our fists instead of gunning down someone we got a beef with.
I don't know the poeple you hang with but Oahu is the most diverse state in the nation and I don't encounter any hate like you have said you do. I'm not saying you don't experience it, but I haven't seen it in years.
Areas get a bad rap because a few idiots do something terrible. You should add Waikiki to your list. Waikiki has the highest number of assaults, rapes, robberies, although I don't know the stats about murders there.
Unlike to kooks in the mainland, we tend to use our fists instead of gunning down someone we got a beef with.
I don't know the poeple you hang with but Oahu is the most diverse state in the nation and I don't encounter any hate like you have said you do. I'm not saying you don't experience it, but I haven't seen it in years.
Gattsu, chill man. Kahuku has been economically challenged since the sugar mill closed after WWII I think. At least you got a good football team (highschool). Go Red Raiders!
Major crimes happen everywhere nowadays. If you think Japan is different check out the net see all the heinous crimes being perpetrated upon the citizenry of Japan, not to mention the foreigners too.
Everywhere in the U.S is feeling the credit crunch and the recession, not just Hawaii. Although the powers that be seem to want to tax the hell out of the working people of this aina (land).
btw, ainokea, I do what I like means: I no care/ I don't care (about you).
Aloha is still alive and well here. The people on drugs lost their Mana (Spirit of Life) so they are not capable of sharing the Aloha Spirit. Just ignore them and hang out with a better class of people.
I drive all over this island, Palolo,, KPT, Mayor Wrights, Nanakuli, Waipahu, Waihole, Mokuleia, Waikiki, Hauula, Kahuku, V-land, Waialua and never have problems, day or night. You get what you look for, as my dad likes to say.
You might want to address your angst before you head out on a mission. I know times are bad, but it wont stay that way. So just give Aloha and you may be surprised how many people will return it.
Good luck Gattsu, I know your a good guy. Be like Duke ( the hero of Hawaii) and spread the Aloha)
Major crimes happen everywhere nowadays. If you think Japan is different check out the net see all the heinous crimes being perpetrated upon the citizenry of Japan, not to mention the foreigners too.
Everywhere in the U.S is feeling the credit crunch and the recession, not just Hawaii. Although the powers that be seem to want to tax the hell out of the working people of this aina (land).
btw, ainokea, I do what I like means: I no care/ I don't care (about you).
Aloha is still alive and well here. The people on drugs lost their Mana (Spirit of Life) so they are not capable of sharing the Aloha Spirit. Just ignore them and hang out with a better class of people.
I drive all over this island, Palolo,, KPT, Mayor Wrights, Nanakuli, Waipahu, Waihole, Mokuleia, Waikiki, Hauula, Kahuku, V-land, Waialua and never have problems, day or night. You get what you look for, as my dad likes to say.
You might want to address your angst before you head out on a mission. I know times are bad, but it wont stay that way. So just give Aloha and you may be surprised how many people will return it.
Good luck Gattsu, I know your a good guy. Be like Duke ( the hero of Hawaii) and spread the Aloha)
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