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I came to Japan almost ten years ago. At that time, I had the illusion that America was somewhat respected in the international community. Hmmmm, was I mistaken? Maybe, but that image has surely gone downhill since the innaguration of the now president. . dare I say the name.

During the time I spent in Veit Nam (America's most unpopular war), I learned how futile wars really are and just how greedy the American gorernment is. I realize that with power comes responsibility, but I hate the weilding of power as a tool to make everyone believe as one (the worlds police). After all, it is the differences that make this globe as interesting as it is.

I notice almost every day how the actions of the US government weigh on it's citizens. American people do not seem to be so popular in the eyes of the world and it is especially felt by those American citizens living abroad. I don`t know if this is a change or if it has been that way for a long time . . . .

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I'm an American, and I feel that we're unfortunately unpopular in the international community. When I was visiting Israel, someone told me to not say that I was 'American'.

I hate the fact that people think that the government= American People as a whole.

I feel that we don't want to be the 'World Police' too. It goes this way; If the American Government steps in, people scream about how we're abusing power. However, if we don't help out in a crisis, people say we are selfish. What is America going to do?

I personally think that we need to stop helping out others in the world. Maybe that will help us be wanted in the international community again :).
Here is something that buggs me, How are we going to profess help to others when we have such domestic problems of our own?!? F**k outside resources, US citizens are always living beyond their means and spending what they don`t have, throwing away each day enough to feed a small country and just abusing this earth. The earth doesn`t care, it will be here long after humans are extinct. It would be nice to work within FIRST!!
Keep in mind, American citizens, that if a person from Iraq or Afghanistan came to America, no matter what sort of person he was, he would be effectively treated like a terrorist, simply for being a member of that country.

I think it works both ways, you know?
3>> Exactly. America needs to concentrate on its own problems right now. Lets start by getting rid of those huge SUV's and unnecessarily big paychecks for executives. Hmm.

4>> Keep in mind, that only closed minded people think this way. And it is that kind of thinking that makes the world a worse place.
I like to believe that everyone is good, no matter where they come from.
One bad apple will spoil the entire bunch..... at least in everyone`s eyes.
Albireo > I agree that stereotyping is a bitch. I live in a society that unless you have this countries blood, you are considered an outsider.

Too bad, it would be nice to have a one world society, but different cultures certianly spice up life. I just wish we could all get along for a change.
That makes me so angry to hear that some Americans travel under the Canadian flag..thats so cowardly. What a great impression to give, not only are Americans greedy and power hungry but oh yes the people are liars and cowards.

Not all of us are like that, yes I admit our country has many faults, made some mistakes but I'm proud to be an American Love it or leave it.
"Love it or leave it" is a sentiment you'd expect to hear from an America-firster like George Bush. That's never been the way this country was supposed to work. That's specifically why our constitution has built-in protections for dissent - in fact, this country was founded by those standing up against failed government policies. Imagine if George Washington, Alexander Hamilton and Ben Franklin had taken the "love it or leave it" attitude - we'd all still be flying the British flag and paying ridiculous taxes with no representation in parliament.
>茶人
I'm glad to hear that from you as an American.
Now, it is time that America to change, and opinions like you help the U.S. change correctly, I think.
I had felt kind a same way when I went to South Koria and met with old people. For one reason, they don't know what really happened but the information was made up by the government to control people easily at the time. Not all but many conflicts come from that kind of false information, but the government of South Koria. Sorry it is out of topic. What I want to say is there are people who had really hard time because of bad relationships between countries and their opinions that we need to deel with, not these conflicts come from false information.
America can do the same thing. One big probelm there is that America doing treate other countries in wrong ways and that too obvious that many people can see those.
In fact, Japanese government doing kind a same thing as O.D.A. It will be overlooked in the future since they are not always helping poeple in other countries but treat just for their profit and some governers in other countries. but many Japanese people even don't know about this...
I think to solve problem, it is hard but, people as many as we could gather should know about it and need to protest.
9>> Yeah, I'm busy saving America by paying my Taxes and voting. What do you think I'm doing? Nothing? Americans that vote are totally ignored, and I am seeing this now. People must think we are all idiots that just like to watch Maury or some crap like that.

People who also think that all Americans are like Bush are idiots too. Not all Americans are narcissistic and cocky. Stop stereotyping, you're just as bad as the people you are all condoning.
Ryman> First, I would like to say that I am an American, a US citizen, to be more specific and I am proud of it.

Your ideas are interesting to me! I think you really don`t know what you are saying when you say, "the government represents the American people" I think that you do not understand the actual system. You are a Canadian so, are you the same as your government. You need to look at individuals as just that. If you judge a person without thinking of that person as an individual, you are a bigot.

When I returned from Veit Nam, I joined many political organizations just to try to change the system and express myself. After almost 20 years of futile attempts, I just said, "What the hell am I beating my head against the wall about, this is a waste of my time." I am still pissed and I know that my voice has done nothing. fyi: I have never been one to even own a tv or go to fast food places! I actually only learned to use a computer less than five years ago.

Your attitude is young, sir and I feel that you have not been in such a situation as to try to change a system. Oh, yea, have a revolution! What the hell do you think the sixties was about? Still, nothing changed. Get off your high horse. It is not that easy.

Jeff> I left!! I may not have any say in this government, but I am useful and growing here. There is so much to learn in this country.

Everyone> The idea that one country or government is better or worse than another is a narrow point of view. I am a WORLD CITIZEN and I know that there are differences. That does not make me right and you wrong, it just makes us different.
No matter what decisions the government makes it's going to weigh on its citizens.

People from other countries meeting other people seem to get along on a person-to-person basis. If people are going to treat you different just because of your country's actions then that's just ignorance. imo.

It's like many asian countries hating Japan citizens for something the "country" did many years ago.


Most countries are greedy. America gets the brunt of it as a super power. The same could be said about China with its show of power in the Spratly Islands. All countries look out for their own for the most part, the more powerful you are the bigger the spotlight (attention).
Hey Jeff actually asshole it was the LOVE of country that made those men you so mentioned men stand up against BRITISH rule. We as a People take on their ideals and defend those ideals. Your turn coat nancy boy attitude is what makes America weak. We (as a nation) need to accept the fact mistakes have been made and strive for the better future; but you do not throw the baby out with the bath water, and you by no means march under the banner of another nation.

Love it or leave it!
Think globally, boys, don`t think everything revolves around America!! After all, more than half the population of the world lives in China and India alone!!
>Think globally, boys, don`t think everything revolves around America!!

Amen.

Ironically, just about everybody else in the world realizes that except your average American.
茶人, from what I can tell America is unpopular in Western Europe, both politically and socially. It's not a new phenomenon, it's been like that for as long as I can remember. The biggest cause for this is the US-Israeli relationship destabilising the whole Middle East. In the eyes of most Europeans this is a mostly one-sided oppression of a people backed by a world power. The sheer unequality of it causes a lot of resentment. All the little adventures the US undertook in Latin America, the Middle East and South East Asia haven't helped much either. Another problem is exposure to American TV entertainment, shows where we can watch America's worst, seeing it often enough gives us the impression everyone is like that. American nationalism is also something that comes across as arrogant, the adoration of the flag, the way Americans in movies are always the good guys, an air of being better in general.

Now having said this, Europe has pretty much screwed around with the world as well, even ending in selfdestruction. But we've acknowledged our mistakes, try to learn from them and hopefully receive some forgiveness for our wrongdoing. I guess you have yet to go through the same stages. In the meantime you'll have to endure the discussions about how bad the outside world feels about American foreign policy... assuming a Canadian identity is not really a solution, it's a topic everyone just feels a need to talk about because it evokes such strong emotions. I guess you need to hang in there and hope for better times?
オリバー> Thanks for your comment. I guess this really is a can of worms!! I know that the US is a young nation and still learning. I also agree about the arrogance of the average US citizen as well as the CIA wars and problems caused by them. The US is living beyond it's means and certianly needs to wake up and smell some of the s**t it is shoveling. How does one awaken a culture that is so stuck in it's little world? Understand that I have tried in many ways for a long time and am so frustrated with the lack of awareness that I just have no more energy for it. I see the people as stoned, gun weilding, violent, religously rightous and with a general attitude of "hey, I have mine" kind of selfishness. But in the same light, I see a country of people who would help in a minute, think quickly, try to do the right thing. It is such a diachodomy that it is difficult to change.
I have to agree with a lot of things that Murf said. By the way, I travel with a Canadian passport, but that's because I have lived there for such a long time in the area of Quebec.

And speaking of which, I would hear so much anti American comments all the time and that just pisses me off. I'm proud to be American just like Murf. I consider myself a human being and a Christian first of all, not a self centered American which the rest of the world has a tendency to accuse us for being.

So a lot of you only see the bad side of America, right? So what would happen if America disappeared? Would the world be a better place? Wrong!

I don't always agree with what the US does around the world, but I sleep better knowing that they are world police. Because if they were not there, we would lose our freedom and our culture. Would you rather have the nation of Islam, North Korea or China as a world police? Do you all want us to starve, convert to ideals that are fascist, extreme and even degrading to all our women around the world?

So next time you feel like bashing America for it's vulgar display of power and it's evil deeds that I do not excuse, take a good look at yourselves before showing prejudice to others.

America is not perfect and not always beautiful, agreed. Many Republicans and Democrats are assholes too. Maybe many average American forgets that there is a world that exist outside of America .The Vietnam war was wrong, I still don't know what was the purpose of us for being in Iraq. But still, God bless America! Because the day we become cowards and show no pride in our country, the day that America falls, you will have worst tyrants than America.

Bless you all and have a happy New Year.
Chris> Sounds like the propaganda wagon parked in front of your house for a while. I remember when the Russians and communism was the big scare tactic! I think you need to wake up a little. Oh, I do think the world would better if the US would stay at home and not feel that they have the only way or the best way.

Oh, here is another can of worms for you, I believe that Christian religion, or Islamic religion, or the Hebrew religion or any of the religions are a crutch! There is no god except the one within. If you believe that when you die you will go to that great place in the sky, well, you just will have to wait and see. I know that when I die, there will be nothing. THIS IS IT!!! Make the best of it.
Chris, it's scary to think you believe America is here to protect us from ourselves. Without it we would starve, degrade our women, be invaded by the North Koreans or become Muslims? It does not make sense to think you would lose your freedom and culture should America no longer be acting as world's police. There are places in the world with much less power and much more freedom than you think you have. Any dissidence in the US is ridiculed and deemed un-American.

Why do you mention 'The Nation of Islam' as per definition bad? Just as any other religion it's promoting a way of becoming good human beings. I assume you were merely mentioning religious fanatics, but don't forget you have them just the same (and equally dangerous). You're warning us not to show prejudice to Americans, but you did in your comment towards the North Koreans, Chinese and Muslims.

I'm glad 茶人 mentioned the dichotomy of the American people. Because yes, there is a lot of goodness, wealth and ideas coming from Americans, lots we can be greatful for and contribute to a better world.
I didn't think that people in this community was so Anti-American and so...I don't think there is a better word for it. So much hate/ignorance from people who are talking down the so called 'ignorant' ones.

Chris- I agree completely. If America wasn't here, what would the world do? I'm sorry, but if this is 'too patriotic' or whatever for people whatever. Americans help out in disasters, give food/clothes for other countries.
I've donated my clothing since I was like in 4th grade to poor countries, but I guess I am just an ignorant American who thinks that the whole world revolves around me.

I don't agree with some of the US's policies, don't get me wrong. The Iraq war? Total mistake. Sorry that I wasn't born earlier to ya know, change the world/run for president or whatever.

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I also think creativity abounds in the US. It is like a kid.
The United States is often criticised, usually unfairly but occasionally the criticism is justified. There are a few things about the U.S. I don't like, but name any country and I'll tell you a few things I don't like about it.

Some people will hate America no matter what, there's nothing you can do about it. There are other people who suffer a life of misery with no hope for the future. The people who hate America are expending a lot of effort to recruit these people.
The humble opinion of an Australian...the U.S. should use some of their financial muscle to make sure that the people who hate America don't get those recruits. Spend mega-bucks on schools and hospitals so these people have some hope. A bit of paper that says America is your friend won't work as well as a bit of paper that says $10.00.

It's just an opinion.

Ian
Equating any criticism of America to simple "anti-Americanism" is a cop-out and shows a lack of interest in making America a better country. One of the pillars of a working democracy is debate and dialogue. If your only response to criticisms of things like American foreign policy is "that's anti-American", it shows a poverty of mind and a unwillingness to look at the "real America", both its beauty and its ugliness.

America will not change for the better if criticism goes away. If anything, America will only begin to change for better when all Americans start being more self-critical of themselves and the way our country has and continues to behave.

Personally speaking, as a fourth generation Chinese American, born & raised in the states, and a progressive Christian, I care about my country, but I believe strongly that the promise of America is still largely unfulfilled - the privileges and freedoms of this country are too often enjoyed only by particular groups of people (ie. whites, males, Christian, the affluent, etc). My country is neither as free or democratic as many Americans would believe it is.

Yes, many Americans do contribute a lot of aid to other countries or serve overseas in humanitarian causes, but the altruism of a few is not an excuse to gloss over things that are still very, very wrong - racism, religious intolerance, economic exploitation, etc. You have people in America who would donate hundreds of dollars to kids in XXX country, but balk at a 10 cent raise in taxes to pay for better schools and social programs for kids who live in the ghettos of our largest cities.

Oh, and the current idea of America as "world police" is as unsophisticated and idiotic as appointing a schoolyard bully to smack around his/her smaller peers as a form of "discipline". Even a kids in grade school learn that real peace is built on cooperation, respect, and understanding - not threats of violence, insults, and ignorance.

My two cents.
Here is your change. Hey, do you think that who is in office will make a rats ass? Do you actually think that there was a revolution in the sixties? I lived through the 60`s and as a vet got shit on by my own country. I have no great love for war or the government.

People have no power!! The only power there is is MONEY!!! If you don`t have it. . . . .

Come on, welcome to the age of computers. Cyberspace lets any asshole say what they want and we don`t know what is real and what is propaganda any more.
I was worried that people would think I was American when I travelled to Japan because of the bad reputation Americans have.

There are a lot of good people, but there are also a lot of bad people. It just happens that the bad people stand out a lot more. That's what people remember. But honestly, you will notice a difference just crossing the border in how polite people are in each country. I've lived in both countries and have travelled across the border many times just for day trips. It is very surprising.

In Canada there are many problems. We complain about our government. We don't always agree with things, but they pay for it during election time. And there are many selfish and rude people (especially in Kelowna!!), but people are also very helpful to each other

I think that America's biggest mistake was voting in (whether it was honest or not) Bush. It caused many countries to feel that it is a terrible country of bullies. I felt the same way. I had some of the bad Americans bitching at me about complaining, claiming that it doesn't affect me. It affects many countries, not just the US.

The leader shouldn't define the country though. Each individual person has the choice to be a good person or not.

People need to just lighten up and not be so patriotic. Patriotism is okay to a certain extent. If people complain about your government, then just make a joke. Or logically try to defend your opinion. People will always disagree.

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I think it is very rude to pretend to be Canadian if you are not. Because then your bad behavior can reflect on real Canadians.
There's nothing wrong with patriotism, I think the problem is with jingoism. Too often the 2 are confused. I have a friend who lived in the U.S. for a couple of years after 2000. About a week after he moved into his house a neighbour knocked on his door and asked why he wasn't flying an American flag.
We don't really do that in Australia. I don't think there is anything wrong with those personal expressions of patriotism, but I do think it is wrong to expect others to do the same.
Jingoism denotes belligerance, and I don`t feel that from Japan.

As far as good and bad, that is too black and white for me. I tend not to use those words and lean toward viewing it as a behavior that is acceptable and not acceptable.

Much of this is as a result of ones own cultural heritage, ones own upbringing and parents points of view or someone who was a power figure`s (sometime during ones youth) point of view.

Where do our oppinions come from? Often it is a history thing, I think.

I agree that we need to keep a world community point of view to overcome these prejudists. Open mind. . .open heart. . . help others. . . grow!!

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