☆ENGLISH ONLY☆コミュのI'm a Mac...

Why? Because everything works on a Mac. I know I can't
play WOW and get a WOW girlfriend who is actually a pimply
faced 12 year old boy who lives in Ohio. I know the software
section for Macs is always confined to a small dingy corner
of the computer shop and occasionally it's a plastic storage
box kept under the counter....for some reason people aren't
scared of Mac software being stolen, maybe it's because
Mac owners are good and peaceful people. Or maybe it's
because we can buy MS Office (or Mac equivalent) for $80.

So I'm still a Mac.....I have a Mac sticker on my car.....and a
Mac t-shirt that says, you guessed it, "I'm a Mac".

Are there any other Mac people around???

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[2] mixiユーザー 04月05日 17:52

Feh, generalizations are generalizations. There is a mac version of WoW - always has been - and these days you can play any PC app you like with that dual boot app. Mac makes great applications, but they're principally a hardware company and I don't like the lack of competition.

[3] mixiユーザー 04月05日 18:14

>> I don't like the lack of competition.

You must not like Microsoft, then. :p

Back on topic... I am a Mac user. While I mainly use my Linux desktop computer at home, I have a Macbook that I take with me pretty much everywhere. Mac OS X is very solid and easy to use, and it works in perfect harmony with my beloved iPhone. :)

[4] mixiユーザー 04月05日 18:39

ah... the power of marketing...

[5] mixiユーザー 04月05日 21:14

I love my Mac with one major exception, I can't use my cell phone software to load music onto my phone! But, I blame that on SONY, AU and the rest of the paranoid companies that think EVERYONE is out to steal their stuff. And by stuff I mean music, movies and software.

Ian>> maybe it's because Mac owners are good and peaceful people.

I agree.

Did anyone see/hear about the commercial where a lady goes into an Apple store with $1000 and comes out saying the only thing for $1000 was a monitor?

[6] mixiユーザー 04月05日 21:26

Why do you think Mac owners are good and peceful people?

I use Windows because I am terrible with computers and the only OS(I don't even know what that means... Operating System?) I can use is Windows, unfortunately...

[7] mixiユーザー 04月05日 21:48

I am a MAC, too! I chose it because Apple is cute! hahaha...

[8] mixiユーザー 04月05日 22:26

>> I don't like the lack of competition.
3 だいはど
> You must not like Microsoft, then.

Again, feh. Companies that size eliminate competition any time they can. Look at mobile phones - Apple restricts you from using anything they haven't specifically approved, and anything not made using their proprietary runtime, while windows phones have an open content ecosystem.

The whole "Mac vs. Windows" thing basically comes down to a bit of personal preference - whether you want to tinker with things (even though they might break), or whether you want things to just work (even though you can't control the details). Beyond that the differences are basically superficial.

Use what you like! But don't go thinking it's better than the alternative. Just better for you.

[9] mixiユーザー 04月05日 23:13

I'm using Win XP because it was the cheapest.
My 48000-yen desktop DELL with 1GB memory and 1.93GHz AMD can do anything I want.
Even if I correct all parts and assemble PC by myself with free Linux, it would cost more.
And supposed I bought the Mac of same spec, how much would it be??

By the way, User Interface of Windows 7 looks like Mac's. (Task-Bar was so much changed)
It might show that MS admited UI of Mac was better than UI of Win XP and Vista..

[10] mixiユーザー 04月05日 23:49

I'm a PC and always have been. However, I'm not completely lost on a Mac either, because we were taught to use them in elementary school, and have them in our computer labs in college. THe only time I use a mac is if I want to make changes to my ipod, or listen to music while charging it, because some of the PCs in the lab were not updated to a recent enough version of itunes to work with my ipod.

For me, because I am used to PCs, I don't like Macs very much. I don't even like the way it looks, and it always takes me longer to find things. I'm not a graphics design/art major, either, so there really is no point in me ever getting a mac unless I want to completely frustrate myself while using Microsoft Word. Being a Spanish major, I have to type in Spanish a lot. Well, to make Accents on a PC, it's just ctrl+', and then the letter. But on a Mac, it is that weird spirally key, plus e, and then the letter. I think. It's so much easier to remember apostrophe because it already looks similar to an accent. but e? Who the hell decided an e should be the key for an accent? I always either press it too many or too little times and no accent.

:やすたけ：I feel bad for anyone that has a DELL laptop. And only 1GB memory, too...But I guess since it was only 48000 yen...

Ian: >>I know the software
section for Macs is always confined to a small dingy corner
of the computer shop and occasionally it's a plastic storage
box kept under the counter....for some reason people aren't
scared of Mac software being stolen, maybe it's because
Mac owners are good and peaceful people. Or maybe it's
because we can buy MS Office (or Mac equivalent) for $80.

I think it has more to do with the fact that less people use macs. Like with viruses.
Also, MS Office for $80? I would be more impressed if you couldn't just download Open Office for free, a fully functional freeware office-like program that is fully compatible with Microsoft Office, lol.

My laptop was relatively cheap for its specifications: 225GB hard drive, 3GB RAM (or 4, I forget...I think 3) Intel Centrino chip, Vista Home Premium (which I don't mind that much because it has NEVER bugged out on me), 14'' screen, Blue Sony VAIO with built in camera for about $800. I'm in love with it <3

But to each his own.

[11] mixiユーザー 04月06日 00:14

I'm a Linux user, for a while I had Linux on one of those old bubble macs. I suppose I'm a MAPC user?

[12] mixiユーザー 04月06日 08:46

I have been a Mac user for more than 16 years, now. When I bought my first Mac, what I wanted to do with computer were things related to graphics and music. I have made a countless number of pieces of works in the last 16 years, and, very thankfully, some of them have made some profit. Although my current Mac has a small partition on its HD on which Windows XP has been installed just for one particular online game, since I’m too used to Mac, even just typing some words on Windows is very stressful for me.

[13] mixiユーザー 04月06日 10:12

I am ... a computer user,
whatever works for what I need to do when I need to do it.

[14] mixiユーザー 04月06日 10:50

Not a Mac person... I game ... though at this point I'm confined to a gaming laptop, I'll most likely be upgrading back up to a nicely built desktop (as soon as my boyfriend gets his new parts for his desktop).
The problem with Macs is that it's not cheap to upgrade your computer. You can't be a "real" gamer and a Mac person at the same time. I saw how much RAM cost for Macs and I was like --- "WHAAAT!" There's so many choices for upgrading in the PC department that you can get really good deals.

Also, at my college, Apple owns the bookstore, literally. I work with student technology though and less than 1% of students who come in actually own a Mac. (They also cause us trouble because for some reason Apple thought it'd be cute to have too many different kinds of plugs for VGA ... irghhhh)

I hardly think Mac people are the nicest, etc, just like with Linux and Windows. However, when you get to the Apple fanboys ... oh gosh ...

[15] mixiユーザー 04月06日 11:10

Can't say I have much use for a MAC, or even laptops in general, I just built a new rig 2 nights ago with an hd 4850, 4 gigs of ram and have been using pc's and building them for years, yes they run into problems sometimes, but as long as you know what you are doing ( it's really not rocket science ) it is not much of a problem most of the time.

Mac's are really good if you are doing media type stuff, but for gaming and power house systems PC ALL THE WAY.

Btw I have been using win xp pro pirate since it's release and it is by far my favorite OS, til windows 7 becomes fully stable that is, now if only I could find a working xp 64 rip hehe.

[16] mixiユーザー 04月06日 12:28

I bought MacBook White and Mac mini (both NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphic chip) last month.
My 1st Intel Mac though.
Running Windows Vista on my new Mac mini via Boot Camp is much better than my older Vista pre-installed laptop. (I think CPU and memory is enough but on-board graphic chip is bottleneck for Vista)
So I'm using Windows 7 β on this crap now.(faster than Vista!)
I gonna install Windows XP and 2000 to those Intel Macs via Virtual Machine.

Oh I sent \53,000 to DELL couple of days ago.
I bought DELL's last Windows XP available Mini Tower @ their on-line shop.
(Intel Core 2 Duo E7400/2.8GHz 4GB RAM 500GB HDD ATI Radeon HD 3450/256MB)

Mac and PC, either way, I need both platform.

[17] mixiユーザー 04月06日 15:43

I'm kinda curious, what are the prices like for pc hardware ( video cards, ram, cpu's etc ) in japan, since I have never been there I don't know much about how the pc economy works there.

For example over in north america, many people go online to places like newegg, ncix etc, and buy top quality/best parts for dirt cheap and build killer rigs that will simply walk all over anything a typical store that sells pre made/assembled pc's. Is there much of a market for pc building there or is it more or less people just upgrade and buy internet machine "turkeys" ?

[18] mixiユーザー 04月06日 16:06

i like graphics so i am a mac user as well. love it!

[19] mixiユーザー 04月06日 17:02

I am a IMac user. They are user friendly and I have never had a virus problem. ITunes, Garage band, etc... are all great applications that anyone can learn to use. I never play games on my computer. I have a playstation for that. But there are still some sites.... ( like the UFC on demand) that still don`t work well with macs. And some attachments have problems with Macs as well.
So for that reason I also have an inexpensive windows machine protected by "Stop Sign" an off site security company. Nothing get pass them and if it ever does they automatically fix it. The cost is so low for this service that I can`t even remember how much it is. And now with the IPhones and IPods, Macs rule.

[20] mixiユーザー 04月06日 17:35

This pretty much sums it up;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKVClEUdoJ8

[21] mixiユーザー 04月06日 18:47

Regarding games...I have donloaded a large amount of games for the OPERA and Firefox browsers that work fine on Mac. I also got a hold of AgeOfEmpires and CommandAndConquer which are a bit dated but fun to play none the less. What "cool" games are out there that don't work on a Mac and would rather play on a PC instead of say an XBOX, PS3 or Wii? As a 36 year old father, I would much rather spend 30,000 on a game console than 50,000 upgrading my video card, monitor, CPU, RAM and power supply.

However, if I was a teenager with deep pockets, the "Tower of Power" would be a wet dream come true.

I guess when I was 12 I always wanted a monster truck with 40 inch wheels and 16 Cylinders of RAW torque but then I got a job and realized the difference between a hobby and practical activity.

I have nothing against PC's, I almost envy PC users. I'd rather stick to the Mac because I am too old to keep up with the latest.

[22] mixiユーザー 04月06日 19:12

I can understand in the case of a parent, they have responsibilities that take priority over entertainment, but there is a few things to point out here also.

1 If you build you're own pc, they are generally cheaper than even the most so called "uber" pre built one. The build order is quite simple: 1 video card, 2 cpu, 3 motherboard and of course buying a quality power supply. Ram is always cheap, cheaper than any retail new game at least.

2 Japan has a bit of a different outlook on games in general, a pc will always kick the snot out of a console in terms of graphics, I mean playing something like oblivion on pc vs the ps3, you are able to get the best visuals along with the fact most consoles do not support things like mods.

There is also the fact you can do WAY more on a pc or a mac compared to a console, one is meant for entertainment ( even if it includes multiple forms ie BR ) the other is a multimedia machine that has many uses in many fields.

3 There are many adults who have good jobs and do not have to worry about "family" responsibilities, so they can afford all the nice toys. You don't need the best anyway, the average pc gamer does NOT spend $600+ USD on the best video card, only anal retentive hardcore ocers and idiots buy that stuff, most get mid range cards which are normally the most expensive part, but because of the crap economy right now, you can get a 4850 or 9800 for as little as $150 usd, hardly breaking the bank and it will virtually eat anything for breakfast you throw at it.

[23] mixiユーザー 04月06日 23:41

21 Pancho
> Regarding games... ... What "cool" games are out there that don't work on a Mac and would rather play on a PC instead of say an XBOX, PS3 or Wii?

Practically all of them?

Which is to say, things change over time, but gamers generally prefer PCs for two reason. First, not all games come out on consoles, and consoles tend to support only comparatively simple games (since the keyboard and mouse offer more interaction than a game pad). Second, because very few games are released for macs. That's not because of any deficiency with macs, it's just because there are fewer mac users, and most companies don't want to spend the money to make an extra version for such a small market.

One more reason is that a quality gaming PC usually has more power than a typical game console. And if one prefers higher-end hardware, using PCs is way less expensive than macs. I'm not sure that this is a large driver though.

However, things are changing. For one, newer intel-architecture macs can dual-boot XP, and run pretty much any PC game you like, as far as I've heard. Also, some games companies have started to release some games to console only, with no PC version, as a piracy countermeasure. These trends may erode the PC's supremacy for gaming.

[24] mixiユーザー 04月07日 05:09

fenomas,

>> The whole "Mac vs. Windows" thing basically comes down to a bit of personal
>> preference

Agreed.

>> - whether you want to tinker with things (even though they might break),
>> or whether you want things to just work (even though you can't control
>> the details).

Actually, I use Linux and Mac exactly for that reason. I run Kubuntu and Fedora on my desktop systems. Linux allows me to tinker with things to my heart's content. I can even fix bugs myself without waiting for a "service pack." OTOH, I use a MacBook running Mac OS X 'cause I want my laptop to "work right out of the box," and I need a computer to sync my iPhone with. :)

[25] mixiユーザー 04月07日 06:17

I have been a Mac since 1985, also use other computers but a Mac is always my main computer.

I prefer something that does a few things really well instead of a computer that does a lot of things very badly (Windows).

[26] mixiユーザー 04月07日 06:23

Also don't forget that Apple had a Japanese version of their OS back in 1986 when PC users were still stuck to either English MS DOS or custom Japanese OS made by people like Epson.

[27] mixiユーザー 04月07日 07:22

> Pancho
> What "cool" games are out there that don't work on a Mac and would rather play on a PC instead of say an XBOX, PS3 or Wii?

Mac is almost always behind on new releases ... Sims 3 will come out for PC first, but will take time to come out for Mac.

The 360/PS3/Wii are clunky. Shooters suck to play on 360. I refuse to play RTS on 360, especially games like Command and Conquer 3.

[28] mixiユーザー 04月07日 09:10

With the way pc hardware is, ie: getting more and more powerful, one can bet money safely that sooner or later something will be emulated and look much better anyway.

For example, I can finally run ps2 emulation with my new rig, now sure ps2 is old now and it took a while for the video cards and other hardware to come out to run this smoothly, but in a number of more years ps3 will be emulated also, DS was emulated a while ago, the screen size sucks though.

You can very easily hook up a standard like pad to a pc, or get conversion ports, I have my HRAP hooked up to my pc for mame, you can buy a 360 pad for the pc also, and hooking up a ps2 controller is not a problem either.

FPS/Shooters generally suck on all consoles, as a keyboard and mouse will rape a consoles controls in this department. Well I should say the controls suck, the games themselves are decent.

[29] mixiユーザー 04月07日 09:39

I'm a typewriter

[30] mixiユーザー 04月07日 09:46

>> I'm a typewriter

electric???

[31] mixiユーザー 04月07日 10:07

Move and jump with WSAD and SPACE! C for crouch, bind Q for taunt. :D
And then click alot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aw, out of ammo? OK, eat my gauntlet! :p

[32] mixiユーザー 04月07日 13:04

^

Exactly!

[34] mixiユーザー 04月07日 13:16

My husband is a hard core gamer. He built our computer and i really love pcs. Except for windows vista! does anyone else agree that windows vista is ridiculous? It takes a gig of ram just to run basic programs let alone any kind of game.

[35] mixiユーザー 04月07日 14:13

Vista does indeed suck, although home 64 version actually runs ok with enough ram, I still think xp pro and 64 are the best OS m$ has released, alot of people are liking windows 7 right now, the problem is that it's new so there are problems here and there, but once the full retail version comes out I may switch to it if it is better.

Just a heads up, at this point most people who do any kind of modern gaming ( from the last 2 years or so ) will already have 2 gigs of ram, it is basically the standard now, and most serious gamers are pretty much getting 4 gigs at this point, 2 gigs is nothing it might cost you about $25 usd for a stick unless you are going for something like buffalo or some ocz with mega heatsinks on top.

[36] mixiユーザー 04月07日 16:17

So....do any of you gamers tweak your PCs. They had a story
on Good Game where people were doing whacked out things
to their PCs to improve the performance. I can't remember
exactly what they were doing but it wasn't just removing the
tower cover and aiming fans at the machine.
That seems like a pretty cool hobby.

[37] mixiユーザー 04月07日 17:09

I'm not much of a tweaker but have mates who are pretty into it. At the high end there is crazy stuff like water cooling.

Basically, some parts of your PC are speed-limited by architecture (memory throughput, say), but most other parts (like the CPU and graphics power) are largely limited by cooling. You can basically run a CPU arbitrarily fast, provided you can keep it cool. So lots of power-tweaking is basically just glorified versions of "aiming fans at the machine".

[38] mixiユーザー 04月07日 18:57

Tweaking can mean many things, to some that might mean "overclocking" where you basically tweak you're hardware ( normally in windows or in the BIOS ) to perform at a higher speed or setting, than which comes at the default factory settings.

In other cases it can simply mean adjusting settings in windows, through the video card driver or say, shutting down unused programs or even erasing non vital unused progies in windows so that you can get you're pc running at top speeds, so to speak.

With current pc hardware ( anything from the last 2 years or so ) it can be vital to make sure that you're case or the inside of the pc is running at cool temperatures, failure to do so can lead to some hardware overheating, which can lead to some parts not lasting as long or even being destroyed, luckily most motherboards have hardware monitoring, so this rarely happens unless someone does something silly like massive overclocking without the proper heatsinks or cooling.

Generally water cooling is for the most hardcore, the average oc'er makes do with quality copper pipes or air in many cases, water cooling is quite expensive, but is sometimes needed for extreme oc scenarios.

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