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I have a question here. I talked with a couple of American ladies about religion. One lady said

"I'm a Christian, but I can't talk about any personal question about the faith. The reason is talking about personal faith is a taboo in my country."

I was astonished and wanted to make sure of it. Today I talked with another person, and she said

"Taboo? Taboo? I can't believe that. The USA is a country of freedom, and in California, it's a very liberal place. We talk about God and Jesus in everyday life. I don't think it's a taboo. The USA is a liberal country."

So here's a question again. Do you think talking about the faith a taboo? Orelse are you more liberal?

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> "I'm a Christian, but I can't talk about any personal question about the faith. The reason is talking about personal faith is a taboo in my [America]."

Oh, how I wish this were true. 冷や汗
#55,
ME TOO! I grew up a non-Christian in the Bible Belt, so I pretty much didn't like Christians for a while. Now I just think that the majority are idiots, but that there are good people in all religious sects.
If anyone in USA expresses their religious opinions outwardly it is the Christians. Non-Christians are made to feel like freaks and evil-doers. Therefore, the lady must be either mentally unstable or she lives in a liberal area.
I can't wait until the USA becomes an ACTUAL place of religious freedom and tolerance.
>白塚ファミマLOVE,Dan

In a sense I understand what you say and I, myself, was not born in a Christian family. When I was a kid, I read stra beside my aunt and grandma. Nammyo horengekyo, mujou jingjing mumyouno houwa, , , I still can cite the first part. At a shrine, I once sweped the shrine garden with one of my friends. The priest was very pleased, and told us to come again.

Yet later, very later, when I was a college student, I converted to Christianity. For a long time, I've believed I was suddenly became Christian. However I recalled I met a sister those days. Probably she prayed for me. One day suddenly transparent beautiful lights fell on me and my Mom and Dad. I felt aweful and believed there exsists God. It was a about 15 or 20 minutes incident. Then I decided to become a Christian.

I understand there are so many other religions and beliefs in this world. Yet my house is Christianity. Suppose there is a small community in a certain village. I know we all are neigborhood and are familliar with each other. We are in a pretty comfortable situation. But when I go home, I won't enter the neigbor's house. Christian faith is my house. I don't make a mistake just on it, and it's MY HOUSE. So I'd keep on saying I'm a Christian.

About 2 decades ago, I was poor, well I'm still poor though, I didn't have almost no money before the pay day. I owned 13 yen. It's about 10 Ameircan cent. Sorry I don't know the Brazilian monetary exchange rate. At around 3 o'clock, He told me giving all the money to church. I didn't hesitaed then. It's funny when I looked back myself. I didn't doubt the voice.

"Okay. I'll do that."

And did it. Later I went home. There were my room mate and his girlfriend. My room mate told me

"Kengo, would you do me a favour? We ordered pizzas and ate enough. We can't eat anymore. Please eat the rest."

There was a pretty huge pizza before me. I said yes and ate the pizza. It was really good.

I know I haven't answered all the questions you asked me. I still doubt why there are so many hungry people in this world. Actually I feel perplexed about those questions as well. Yet I can't stop being a Christian. I'm with Him. Cause it's my house.

I won't push my personal experience to you, but just remember I'm sure there exsists GOD.

To know God is the beginning the wisdom. quoted from the Bible.

Serious. I'm so serious today. I'm so exhausted and feel like I ate a horse.

>fenomous, リラックミル

Welcome. I'm Kafca Tamura. No. I'm kengo. Feel free to write here. I'm reading. P;you put the stream of the conversation into the original point I wrote. I feel I understand why she said it was a taboo. I'm not religious all the times. I like joking and fun things. Ah, I know you are not joking.

I feel funny about this situation. When young, I had believed all Americans are Christians.

To make the story a bit fun thing, I confess an incident when I was a college student. I had an Ameircan friend named Mary. Fortunately there are many Mary's, so I can tell this story here.

I visited her room and was talking together. Under the table, I found she placed some panties. I was astonished then. She was an atractive person. She was so smart. I, I, well I need a courage now. I put one of the panties into my pocket. I was not a Christian then. I was kinda serious type guy. Nobody doubted I stole the panty. Yet I was annoyed about what I did. Ah, btw I couldn't speak English. Mary's Japanese was so good. I confessed about the panty to one of my friends. He was a Christian. He told me

"You did THAT? Hey come on! Shall I talk to a sisiter I know. If you feel guilty, she can solve the problem."

I said No, cause I felt so ashamed. Yet in my mind, I was annoyed so much for a long time. Now I'm sure, ,,
My start point of my faith was that panty. Yeah I'm sure.

Did you laugh? Or are you scared with me?

Sorry, Mary. I won't do it again. Which Mary? That Mary.


Thank you. Hummm? Is this a correct response?

How do you know that Japanese? Yep, I was filthy then.
Any one at such a youth age.

The correct response greatly depends on you, and your sense of humour.

Personally if someone said "sugoi ecchi" to me i would say "sou ka?"!

Everyone has a past, there is nothing wrong with having one!
Sense of humour. That's what I want. Usually I joke very often. I just wonder how it is like in English. I'm glad J美ー is a kind person.

The next sin I commited was, , , ,

Well nobody listen. I stop here. lol

Kengo, thanks for the welcome! I should clarify a little. My personal guess is that the lady you spoke to didn't quite mean "taboo" in the usual sense.

The thing is, by-and-large Americans take religion rather seriously, so when the conversation is about religion then arguments can quickly arise. Also, there are some branches of Christianity that are noted for being very forward in attempting to convert others to Christianity (most famous are the Jehovah's Witnesses). When they attempt to convert someone who isn't interested, it can be very unwelcome.

For those reasons, some people in the US consider it impolite to discuss religion. There's nothing wrong with talking about it to your friend, but if you're at a party and people don't know each other well then usually it's better to talk about other topics. I suspect maybe that's what the lady was trying to say.
There is a funny saying, which is suitable.
It goes along these lines, but it cna be customised for the situation. Basically, its:

"Never discuss religion, politics or sports".

In the west, these are the things which can easily cause an arguement!
>fanomas, J美ー

Thanks for your post. What I learned at an English conversation school was

"Religion, Politics are not suitable at the first meeting."

It was the second time to talk with the lady, so I talked about the talk with the lady, so I talked about the religion. Yet it seems religion might be a tough topics in a public place. As a situation, it was a phone call lesson, I felt it was a cozy home-like conversation. When I mentioned her personal faith, she changed her tone so quickly, so I was perplexed. Still I was not offended by her story. Just surprised.

If it's really a public lesson, your guess might be true. Phone lesson, is it a pravate? or Public? Well I'm not asking you. I'm asking to myself. Anyway that's okay. I understand religion is a difficult topic in the US, and probably in Japan as well. I'd rather say probably at anywhere in the world.

I studied with one guy that told me the same thing about "The Call", like you said, im very curious and think maybe i should try, but religions have restrictions and i dont like them! I like to feel free to do what i want to do, like SEX, i like so much to do, when i have a chance! LOL
Cause some religion say "sex only after the married" and so much other things...
Talking about this, i think you keep that panties until now! aHuahauhauahuAH
you are really pervert!!!!! lol
Like "fenomas" said, people who try to convert another its very unwelcome, i think, and most of my friends told me the same thing, I dont try to make people leave his religion, but i like to ask some questions to hear what they think, i dont want to talk anymore to people who thinks different, but i would like them to do the same for me, and dont try to convert me!
Kengo, there's no general taboo against religion per se - for example, something involving religion that was in the news recently, or a funny story that happened one day at Church.

But when you ask someone about their "personal faith", probably they're going to assume that no matter what they say, your next questions will be "Can I tell you about my personal savior Jesus Christ? Would you like some of these pamphlets?"

And the reason they'll assume that is because in America, they'll usually be right. 涙 That's why I said I wish more Americans considered it a taboo to talk about religion.
>Dan

Please don't call me a pervert. Please say "You were a pervert. "

I don't have the panty anymore. And I commit sin, but please say panties, but a panty. there's not a so huge difference.lol


>fanomas

Ah, I can imagine what your saying. I agree. What you figured out might be true. I don't want ro receive a pamphlet as well.

Thanks.

Good night, folks.

>Dan.

mistyped, cause I'm sleepy now. Please don't say panties, but a panty. I didn't take 2. Your post was fun.
Actually I don't mind when people try to convert me, because I like to argue. At my old apartment I had a nice old Jehovah's Witness lady come by, and I don't think I actually made her question her church, but by heaven I tried. (I talked a lot about the missionary Christianization of Europe and how systematically they wiped out traces of earlier religions, because I'd just been reading about it.)

Strangely, I never had any more Jehovah's Witnesses come to the house after that.
If your interested in the Bible, I recommend you protestant. If you like church music such as tunes performed by the organ, I recommend you Catholic. Yet you can't divirce, so you should be take care. Greek and Russian Orthodox church might be good. You can see beautiful icons.

To me, the sect or these churches accept the policy God of Trinity, I recommend you.

Convert! Convert! Convert! Sitting like supporting an athlete.

The global biggest religion.

Ah, it took some while to take what the mistake is. About your post? I felt it's a kind of joke. You don't need to apologize. I don't mind at all. Your wecome.

Ah, yeah panties can be count a pair of, , , such as a pair of pants. I noticed that just now. It was my mistake. Seeing the shape of it, it looked like in couldn't be count a pair of, , , I leaned a lesson.

It was an old story. 20 years ago. I'm desent now, so probably I can go to Heaven. It might be a good idea to talk with you about Techno-pop at somewhere with you - I saw your profile.

I'm pretty sure He would forgive a sinner who repent. I repented about it so many times. It's a trivial matter now.  I won't do such a thing anymore. I WAS a pervert, but I'm not anymore. That's why I wrote it here. It's a very very old story.


I'm serious about repenting. I did many times. I won't go to the underground. That sounds very dangerous for me. Do you really believe Satan? I recommend you to stop it, if you are serious about it. I usually don't push my idea, but if it's Sata, it's a different story. Be happy (please).

I think in Holland, most people can freely talk about their religion. After all, they stand behind their beliefs, so they can easily talk about and discuss it, nothing wrong with that anyway. If you can;t discuss your faith, maybe you don't have that much faith in it?

Some more conservative part of religions, sometimes have taboo's on all kinds of issue's regarding rules and beliefs of their religion. Usually the taboo's are to minimize influence from outside the religion. Often these religion spawns small villages.

I think the US (being a big country and all) has enough people who can freely talk about their religion, and of course some people with more conservative beliefs. But in total percentage, I think the US is more conservative in religion than Holland. Still it depends on the persons you meet, so it is kinda hard to say before hand, it is taboo for someone from the US, chances are big that it is not taboo I think :3

to answer the topic question: I don't feel religion is (or should be) taboo. People should always be able to respectfully discuss their faith. I'm not judging people who feel they can't do that, people should do and believe what they want. For the record, I don't believe in any existing religion.

ジェイミ: Actually, there was a time where the church earned a lot of money from repenting ;) the bigger the sin, the more money you had to pay to get in heaven. Nowadays that's illegal in most countries and I guess no one preaches like that anymore.

I think you shouldn't take it literal, repenting is not just saying sorry to god, it is saying to your self that you did wrong. You can always better your life and take responsibility for your actions, weather you do it for your believe, or just for your self. Most religions just preaches to live with respect.

Funny thing about hell, non believers are said to go to hell, but the way I see it: there is no hell if you don't believe in it, so I can't go there :3
I've seen a lady who were obsessed by the evil spirit many years ago at a nearby church. It was a very aweful experience. I'm scared.

Welcome Miszou from Pay Bas. You must be a smart person. Kyodai is a well-known and creative college in Japan.

So far we are talking pretty freely here. Many people write in a desent way at the moment. I'm glad with that.

Just a pair of panties makes me not going to Heaven. What a nightmare!

Well, I'm afraid I'm writing too much here, but Miszou is saying he doesn't believe any exsisting religion, so I'll try to write my views.

First repentance is not saying sorry. God almighty knows everything about you. He can see through your, and every person's, mind. If you really change your mind before death, I'm pretty sure you can enter Heaven. Yet if you commit quite a lot of sins, can you stand before Jesus? He knows you and what you've done. You might have to roll on the ash, and have to beg him to enter Heaven.

Yet basically, if you really change your mind, you are okay. Still you might need accepting any punishment accampanied agonies. I don't know about it, cause I haven't experienced death yet myself.

I hope you'll see toward Jesus during your life.

ジェイミ: well it's not called believe for nothing. If you truly believe that, then yes you can do that ;) It is not my religion or believe, so don't take my words for it. But I think it's like kengo says, god know what kind of person you really are so, it doesn't matter if you repent in the end as a bad person. Well thats my view on it anyways :P I still think that repenting is something you do for your self to make you feel better about yourself and to better your life.

Although stealing a panties is not something worth stressing over, it's nothing special, although I see kengo stressing over it a little. It kind of reminded me of some anime ^^;;

kengo: I doubt I will ever see towards jezus, or shared the saem view with you. But I'll gladly discuss about it ^^

oftopic: yes I'm from Pay Bas, No I'm not smart, foreigners have easy access to Kyoudai. I doubt I can get in the Japanese way ^^;;
Okay, well then, , , , well, let me get off the track just for a while, Miszou. From the begining of the relationship between Japan and Nederland, 400 and some several years passed. Once I took interests about your country, and bought a guidebook about Nederland. I have 2 questions. These are not something to do with religion at all.

1) A famous story about your country is that a boy found a crack beside the bank of sea, and he stopped the corruption of the bank with his hands. I took it natural in a sense, and later I wondered if it's a true story or a fiction. Even if he was an adult, it's quite tough to stop the corruption. I'd like to know if it's real.

2) I've heard in any Europian country, you have a country that eating a whole body of herring on a winter day. I don't know the meaning, but I guess probably it was Nederland. I'm afraid that I'm asking a question such as
a

"Which part of China is Japan?"

question. Tell me if you know which country it is.

I'm asking these questions by just my curiousty. I'd be glad if you can tell me. Let's forget the religion topic just for a while. lol

> 3 Jaimies, and any other people.

If you have any opinion or things you'd like to say, feel free to write in. I'm planning to gor for a trip from early in the morning of the next Tuesaday.

I'm not sure if I can acsess mixi in the destination.

hmm I had reacted on your questions, but I don't see my post, I guess I made a mistake in confirming it, lets try again ^^:

The story about the boy putting a finger in the dike to stop the water from coming in, is fictional, it was thought up by an American author in her book Hans Brinker (although the boy is name less in the book, the boy is named after the book these days: Hans Brinker). After a while the story also got know in Holland and there is even 1 monument made for it, although it is mostly for tourist. Most people in Holland are not that familiar with the story. I heard the story the first time through a friend who heard it from a foreigner. It is well know in foreign countries, but not that much in Holland haha ^^;; But not, that could not be true, even though the author says it was based on a true story, it is just an urban legend.

Thge second question is about the herring. In Holland it is tradition to eat raw herring. We cut the head off and take the spine out, and then eat it by taking the tail between our fingers and lowering it in out mouths. Or we put it on white brad with onions. We can eat it all year, but in the summer it is eaten mostly, and you can buy it just about everywhere ^^. It is a real Dutch specialty and the only fish we eat raw. I tried many Japanese raw fish, but I couldn't find raw herring in Japan, so I guess Japanese should try it sometime, it is really good :3

And your questions are not that weird, I would be surprised if you knew that much. And Dutch people don't know much about Japan either usually, we have news on Japan and sometimes cultural things in the news paper, but most people just imitate the Chinese language when you talk about Japanese :P Don't be shy to ask what you don't know ^^
Thanks for your post, Miszou.

The boy's story is a fiction?? Ah, NO. I've believed that guidebook for many years.

And herring, your story was interesting. In Japan, we don't have many opportunities to eat herrings. by several decades ago, herrings were pretty common sea food in Japan. Some folksongs tell us, Japanese people ate herrings. However we captured herrings near the bank, so the numbers of the fish reduced so many. Just on a New Year Day, we eat herrings' eggs. They are delicacy, and are pretty expensive. Those eggs are called Kazunoko here. Most kazunoko are being imported from oversease.

There's a reason why I took interest in your country. 400 years ago, a Dutch ship named the Liefde wrecked near the town where I live. The wreckage was a harsh one and many died. One of the surviver, well his Japanese name is Anjin Miura, he was taken to Edo, today's Tokyo, and he became a servant and counseller of the first Tokugawa Shogun, Ieyasu. The Shogun learned a lot of things about Europe from the guy.

When our countries associated for 400 years, it was spotlighted and I took interests in Nederland. Looks like some centuries ago, Nederland was a big power in Europe and in India and further in Malaysia, Indonesia.

Ah, excuse me, we got off the track far away.

Hi. I'm on a trip now, and writing from Sapporo.
I'll be back to Kyushu tomorrow and acsesse mixi.

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