....I have heard this or seen this in print many many times here in Japan...and its annoying and ridiculous....as is my spelling so, take care.
I dont hear the following...
"I like white music."
or
"I only listen to yellow music."
Am I, as an American over sensitive to the "prefered nomenclature" so to speak?
Or....are the Japanese just totally fucking ignorant?
Or....is it a simple language situation, communication mis connection.
Or....something I havent thought of.....
I know I know....Language right? Culture right?
Here i put forth the following, if someone is going to venture into the realm of foreign music and adopt slang often used in said community, perhaps its reasonable to expect this person to make attempts to learn what to call things and what not to?
Ok I know alot of people are starting to breath heavy and the fingers are already furiously pounding out heated replies so I go no further...
this is just something I find annoying, thats all.
PS+ what the hell is black music anyway?
Am I wrong or has African American musical culture largely seeped into the vast majority of popular music being recorded today...so does that mean EVERYTHING is "black music"?
then these people saying they like "black music" actually like all music?
ahhh its never ending and annoying on multiple levels...I annoy myself with it...
ok....open fire.
I dont hear the following...
"I like white music."
or
"I only listen to yellow music."
Am I, as an American over sensitive to the "prefered nomenclature" so to speak?
Or....are the Japanese just totally fucking ignorant?
Or....is it a simple language situation, communication mis connection.
Or....something I havent thought of.....
I know I know....Language right? Culture right?
Here i put forth the following, if someone is going to venture into the realm of foreign music and adopt slang often used in said community, perhaps its reasonable to expect this person to make attempts to learn what to call things and what not to?
Ok I know alot of people are starting to breath heavy and the fingers are already furiously pounding out heated replies so I go no further...
this is just something I find annoying, thats all.
PS+ what the hell is black music anyway?
Am I wrong or has African American musical culture largely seeped into the vast majority of popular music being recorded today...so does that mean EVERYTHING is "black music"?
then these people saying they like "black music" actually like all music?
ahhh its never ending and annoying on multiple levels...I annoy myself with it...
ok....open fire.
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it is sometimes called "black music" as ppl feel sort of "blackness" (as mentioned, american-african hiphop flaver) from the type of music. its all commonly found in hiphop, rnb, soul n other. but the punk band like "bad religions" is not black music. u get it?
apparently u dont listen to hiphop or rnb. its not u to speak of it. you arent black either. what do u care then?
also ur comment "Or....are the Japanese just totally fucking ignorant? " sounds u urself are damn ignorant. nobodys going rasist by talking about black ppl in negative ways. plus thats not only japanese ppl that use the term "black music" but also americans n europeans too. u dont understand,then go look up wikipedia n other in european languages.
apparently u dont listen to hiphop or rnb. its not u to speak of it. you arent black either. what do u care then?
also ur comment "Or....are the Japanese just totally fucking ignorant? " sounds u urself are damn ignorant. nobodys going rasist by talking about black ppl in negative ways. plus thats not only japanese ppl that use the term "black music" but also americans n europeans too. u dont understand,then go look up wikipedia n other in european languages.
7: Archangel
Apparently you need to read more carefully.
Note that I defended my opinion by claiming that yellow points to too many disparate cultures to be make any sense, whereas this is not the case with black music. I also pointed to specific musical forms with that culture as well. But perhaps you should just 'go' to your shotgun (or, go 'get' as I assume you meant, Yosemite Sam)
Apparently you need to read more carefully.
Note that I defended my opinion by claiming that yellow points to too many disparate cultures to be make any sense, whereas this is not the case with black music. I also pointed to specific musical forms with that culture as well. But perhaps you should just 'go' to your shotgun (or, go 'get' as I assume you meant, Yosemite Sam)
I think your anger, or annoyance, is justified. Its a totally inaccurate term, and kind of racist. But I think its not just a Japanese problem. People say "black music" even in America. Even some black people use that term. I'm not saying that makes it ok, but I think its important to realize its not just a problem in Japan.
You know what annoys me? Is the term "African-American" which does not mean Black people. I hate that term, because you can be WHITE and be born in Africa, move to America, get a citizenship, and be an African-American. Even though you'd be a white person.
Its no different to say BLACK people from saying WHITE people. No one has a problem saying WHITE people but BLACK people is oh so politically incorrect. Fuck that shit!
What is actually incorrect is the term African-American. You also don't call white people "European-American" now do you? You call them whites. European-Americans are anyone born in Europe and an American citizen.
Its no different to say BLACK people from saying WHITE people. No one has a problem saying WHITE people but BLACK people is oh so politically incorrect. Fuck that shit!
What is actually incorrect is the term African-American. You also don't call white people "European-American" now do you? You call them whites. European-Americans are anyone born in Europe and an American citizen.
ちょっとメキシコ人:
I agree. It's actually something that's annoyed me in the US for a while, so it's definitely not just Japan. Whenever somebody tells me they like "black music", I say "oh, cool, so you're a Jimi Hendrix fan?"
That always shuts them up... usually because they have no idea who the hell I'm talking about. These "black music" fans have such narrow little minds, musically.
Another one that drives me crazy is "urban music", which is the politically correct way of saying "black" so it's really even worse. When somebody throws *that* term at me, I say "oh, cool, so you must love The Ramones." Same blank stare in return.
It would be nice to not refer to music by these arbitrary and generic labels, not because I care that much about ending racism but because I care about properly defining the music. It's like that Seinfeld episode where Jerry's dentist converts to Judaism "purely for the jokes", and the priest asks him "so this offends you as a Jewish person?" And he says "no, it offends me as a comedian!" That's the way I feel as a music lover (and a guitarist) when I hear terms like "black music" or "urban music"; these are terms that say nothing about the music. It offends me not as a white person, but as a musician.
I agree. It's actually something that's annoyed me in the US for a while, so it's definitely not just Japan. Whenever somebody tells me they like "black music", I say "oh, cool, so you're a Jimi Hendrix fan?"
That always shuts them up... usually because they have no idea who the hell I'm talking about. These "black music" fans have such narrow little minds, musically.
Another one that drives me crazy is "urban music", which is the politically correct way of saying "black" so it's really even worse. When somebody throws *that* term at me, I say "oh, cool, so you must love The Ramones." Same blank stare in return.
It would be nice to not refer to music by these arbitrary and generic labels, not because I care that much about ending racism but because I care about properly defining the music. It's like that Seinfeld episode where Jerry's dentist converts to Judaism "purely for the jokes", and the priest asks him "so this offends you as a Jewish person?" And he says "no, it offends me as a comedian!" That's the way I feel as a music lover (and a guitarist) when I hear terms like "black music" or "urban music"; these are terms that say nothing about the music. It offends me not as a white person, but as a musician.
14: Moonchilde
black american is usually a stand in for what people mean by african-american (which is a Neologism attempting to be more accurate and account for some phenomena). Your crass linguistic literalism is holding you back here.
the hyphen is trying to account for the real links with various culture native to africa that do exist in the black community in the u.s. (and carribean). It is to that extent justified.
your use of european american is debatable. I see no reason not to use that term with 2nd or 3rd generations immigrants from europe who have *substantially maintained* aspects of their origin culture. The issue with the so called 'white-american' is that many have no longer maintained such links (though some certainly have). American culture is hard thing to pinpoint: we know it to be in love with free market capitalism (and its philosophical underpinnings such as atomistic individualism) and is in large part a mutation of earlier british culture (not the britain of present)--but in many ways, its hard to distinguish american culture--as it represents and reifies itself--from a economic class within 'america'i.e. the middle class. (or at least the idyllic 'middle class')
black american is usually a stand in for what people mean by african-american (which is a Neologism attempting to be more accurate and account for some phenomena). Your crass linguistic literalism is holding you back here.
the hyphen is trying to account for the real links with various culture native to africa that do exist in the black community in the u.s. (and carribean). It is to that extent justified.
your use of european american is debatable. I see no reason not to use that term with 2nd or 3rd generations immigrants from europe who have *substantially maintained* aspects of their origin culture. The issue with the so called 'white-american' is that many have no longer maintained such links (though some certainly have). American culture is hard thing to pinpoint: we know it to be in love with free market capitalism (and its philosophical underpinnings such as atomistic individualism) and is in large part a mutation of earlier british culture (not the britain of present)--but in many ways, its hard to distinguish american culture--as it represents and reifies itself--from a economic class within 'america'i.e. the middle class. (or at least the idyllic 'middle class')
You really miss the point. Black people are not necessarily African. A black man can be born in England and could consider himself a British man. He could come to America, become a citizen, and would then be a British-American, or European-American. He would not be an African-American because he is not from Africa, he was born and raised in the UK. African-American is a sick over-exaggeration that all blacks hail from Africa. Perhaps, 200+ years ago we could have called them that, but unless they are born in Africa in today's world, they are no longer African-Americans because they have been in America as long as the white man has. They are just Americans. If they so choose to define themselves further, they may use Black-American or even, lord forbid, Negro-American.
African-American is a poor choice of words bastardized by the politically correct in my country.
African-American is a poor choice of words bastardized by the politically correct in my country.
I agree with it.
but i remember i saw a commercial long time ago. i forget it was on the american channel or the canadian ones.
it was an appeal about 'the black history week'. the first scene said 'if theres no......' then it have showed many pictures of black people were singing and playin the instruments､ the names of the genres with every pictures said'jazz... funk... soul... blues... R&B... rock... hiphop...'like that......
so i think maybe 'black music' means the genres of music that what was made by black people(?) but i'll never say 'i like to listen to black music'tho lol
ive seen so many people talk like 'yay!i luv black muzik!'､but they only listen to the popular songs of rap R&B n reggae lol so 'black music'has a another meaning for some people i think.for example､ when eminem was popular here in japan a couple years ago i didnt see anyone call it 'white music'.
its a good thing that people are tryin to do the new things､ listening to the new genres but theres not point to put a 'color' on music and anything else
but i remember i saw a commercial long time ago. i forget it was on the american channel or the canadian ones.
it was an appeal about 'the black history week'. the first scene said 'if theres no......' then it have showed many pictures of black people were singing and playin the instruments､ the names of the genres with every pictures said'jazz... funk... soul... blues... R&B... rock... hiphop...'like that......
so i think maybe 'black music' means the genres of music that what was made by black people(?) but i'll never say 'i like to listen to black music'tho lol
ive seen so many people talk like 'yay!i luv black muzik!'､but they only listen to the popular songs of rap R&B n reggae lol so 'black music'has a another meaning for some people i think.for example､ when eminem was popular here in japan a couple years ago i didnt see anyone call it 'white music'.
its a good thing that people are tryin to do the new things､ listening to the new genres but theres not point to put a 'color' on music and anything else
The other problem is that many people of different colors are in all types of music. Jazz isn't all black musicians, neither is hip hop, and metal isn't all white musicians. You can't really define anything as white, black, asian, or whatever music. Well, you can define asian music because there are instruments that originate in asia that truly is asian music. Same for african or western music. But that is regional, and not color.
17: Moonchilde
I miss the point? Did you even read what I wrote? If you read it, did you even think about it?
if you did, then your reply only presents bald counter-assertions, whereas I gave rudimentary arguments that you never even addressed.
You don't get how the hyphen functions, and over-limit the range of signification the sign (african, european) can have (and have correctly have, to my mind). If this is your normal mode of dealing with language, it would be funny to watch you: some one says: 'hey, that's bullshit' and you go around sniffing, wondering where this 'bullshit' is, because you don't smell manure.
No one is saying that your fellow from the uk is an african-american, for you to say so just shows you haven't really thought (or understood) my point--and i don't think it was for lack of clarity on my side, this time.
I miss the point? Did you even read what I wrote? If you read it, did you even think about it?
if you did, then your reply only presents bald counter-assertions, whereas I gave rudimentary arguments that you never even addressed.
You don't get how the hyphen functions, and over-limit the range of signification the sign (african, european) can have (and have correctly have, to my mind). If this is your normal mode of dealing with language, it would be funny to watch you: some one says: 'hey, that's bullshit' and you go around sniffing, wondering where this 'bullshit' is, because you don't smell manure.
No one is saying that your fellow from the uk is an african-american, for you to say so just shows you haven't really thought (or understood) my point--and i don't think it was for lack of clarity on my side, this time.
Perhaps you don't understand how the term African-American is used here in America, which I find odd since you're living here. Its a term used for black people, regardless of whether or not they are from Africa. In case you don't know, in America, calling blacks black is considered politically incorrect and in half the cases of it being an issue, they want to be called African-American. Even if they're American by a few generations. This is incorrect, as they are not from Africa, they're ancestors are. This is a term most used in politically correct talk for "blacks."
Again, white people who's ancestry hails from Europe are not called European-American here in America. Neither is it considered that there are white African-Americans.
You obviously don't understand the daily usage of the term when words start to become politically correct.
Again, white people who's ancestry hails from Europe are not called European-American here in America. Neither is it considered that there are white African-Americans.
You obviously don't understand the daily usage of the term when words start to become politically correct.
>>Iago: what's up with the name? not only an allusion to an infamous literary villain, but one who betrays one of the most famous african/black characters in english literature?
What can I say - I like villains. Iago was probably one of the most sinister villains in literary history.
>>Im sure bobby is hugely concerned with your tribulations...not his paychecks...
Which is exactly why I'm entitled to hate him. He's lived here and speaks the language, right? Surely, he must have known the damage his idiot act would cause on TV. Yet, all those zero's in his bank account must have looked mighty good. Just how much is selling out the dignity of a race of people worth anyway?
Most of the Japanese people who say "black music" at least have an interest in it, and black culture. Maybe they're just copying MTV or whatever, but at least its a start. I have children who run away from me, people who will switch sides of the street to avoid walking near me, and I even had a family at a restaurant request a new table after I was seated near them. That's why I don't really get worked up over "black music."
What can I say - I like villains. Iago was probably one of the most sinister villains in literary history.
>>Im sure bobby is hugely concerned with your tribulations...not his paychecks...
Which is exactly why I'm entitled to hate him. He's lived here and speaks the language, right? Surely, he must have known the damage his idiot act would cause on TV. Yet, all those zero's in his bank account must have looked mighty good. Just how much is selling out the dignity of a race of people worth anyway?
Most of the Japanese people who say "black music" at least have an interest in it, and black culture. Maybe they're just copying MTV or whatever, but at least its a start. I have children who run away from me, people who will switch sides of the street to avoid walking near me, and I even had a family at a restaurant request a new table after I was seated near them. That's why I don't really get worked up over "black music."
Moon Child,
Surprise! the use of terms is more complicated than you realize! but, unfortunately, i suspect no one is surprised that you thought such a thing.
the terms in question are often used in various ways, and thus there is something equivocal to them. That should lead someone to distinguish the different ways the terms are used, not just see the world as if were all Moon's Chillun', seeing the world as he, since he is the only one with pristine eyes...
Iago,
I hear you. A great villain he is. But its the racial background (of Iago, Othello, and you) that makes me ask the question...
Surprise! the use of terms is more complicated than you realize! but, unfortunately, i suspect no one is surprised that you thought such a thing.
the terms in question are often used in various ways, and thus there is something equivocal to them. That should lead someone to distinguish the different ways the terms are used, not just see the world as if were all Moon's Chillun', seeing the world as he, since he is the only one with pristine eyes...
Iago,
I hear you. A great villain he is. But its the racial background (of Iago, Othello, and you) that makes me ask the question...
Moonchilde
I agree with you, being black myself, it is almost an insult to be called African American.
Being that, We have been mixed in so many times that we have many race in our blood. And We really have no African culture.
Black music? that kind of is confusing. Eminem is black?
Or Scott Storch?
I agree with you, being black myself, it is almost an insult to be called African American.
Being that, We have been mixed in so many times that we have many race in our blood. And We really have no African culture.
Black music? that kind of is confusing. Eminem is black?
Or Scott Storch?
>雷男
Sorry, but what you posted just shows you have not been understanding what I've brought to this discussion since my first post in this topic. I am and have been strictly talking about the politically correct usage of African-American to describe all black people in America. If you can't comprehend that, then I suggest you move on from the discussion. You don't seem to understand I am not discussing the literal meaning of the word, but the politically correct version and how it deviates from it's literal meaning. I thought I already established two usages of the term the first time, which would have established I already know about the complications of the term. You failed to read and comprehend that properly.
To think, you actually sat there trying to educate me on my literature, lol!
Sorry, but what you posted just shows you have not been understanding what I've brought to this discussion since my first post in this topic. I am and have been strictly talking about the politically correct usage of African-American to describe all black people in America. If you can't comprehend that, then I suggest you move on from the discussion. You don't seem to understand I am not discussing the literal meaning of the word, but the politically correct version and how it deviates from it's literal meaning. I thought I already established two usages of the term the first time, which would have established I already know about the complications of the term. You failed to read and comprehend that properly.
To think, you actually sat there trying to educate me on my literature, lol!
Damn, you really can't read very well can you. I don't suspect you liked those 'reading comprehension' parts of the major tests, eh? The terms were in use prior to your existence, even on this thread (note I engaged the topic before you did). I challenged your use, (and mutatis mutandis definition). You can't just respond by reasserting your use, and claiming that 'since you said it that way, that's how it is. That is circular. But check the thread; you have done little else.
Gotta like the 'defining of terms':
"You know what annoys me? Is the term "African-American" which does not mean Black people. I hate that term, because you can be WHITE and be born in Africa, move to America, get a citizenship, and be an African-American. Even though you'd be a white person.
Its no different to say BLACK people from saying WHITE people. No one has a problem saying WHITE people but BLACK people is oh so politically incorrect. Fuck that shit!
What is actually incorrect is the term African-American. You also don't call white people "European-American" now do you? You call them whites. European-Americans are anyone born in Europe and an American citizen."
Damn, Webster's should hire you! Maybe you can send this to Cambridge press, so then you can start a bidding war for your services.
Gotta like the 'defining of terms':
"You know what annoys me? Is the term "African-American" which does not mean Black people. I hate that term, because you can be WHITE and be born in Africa, move to America, get a citizenship, and be an African-American. Even though you'd be a white person.
Its no different to say BLACK people from saying WHITE people. No one has a problem saying WHITE people but BLACK people is oh so politically incorrect. Fuck that shit!
What is actually incorrect is the term African-American. You also don't call white people "European-American" now do you? You call them whites. European-Americans are anyone born in Europe and an American citizen."
Damn, Webster's should hire you! Maybe you can send this to Cambridge press, so then you can start a bidding war for your services.
You haven't addressed anything, you're just complaining about the usage of the term African-American in my post and my so called comprehension errors. You don't even address the fact I'm discussing the politically correct usage of it and the proper usage, not all the vast various ways it could be used that you think exist in your head. Please, focus on the fact that I am discussing a *particular* usage of the term.
Your punctuation is also bad. :(
Now, I'm starting to repeat myself because you can't grasp that. Even though かわいいエリザベス, a black person who posted above you, did. So please, just move on already, because you don't understand what I've brought to the discussion.
I won't be replying anymore to you, because you're starting to waste my time with your so called challenges. However, I'd like to thank you for your time, and wish you a very lovely day. ;)
Your punctuation is also bad. :(
Now, I'm starting to repeat myself because you can't grasp that. Even though かわいいエリザベス, a black person who posted above you, did. So please, just move on already, because you don't understand what I've brought to the discussion.
I won't be replying anymore to you, because you're starting to waste my time with your so called challenges. However, I'd like to thank you for your time, and wish you a very lovely day. ;)
....I call myself a european american.....
Iago...Im not black, so I dont know...but look, kids crawl up moms leg and try to get back inside when I walk by...
Old ladies move seats on the train, women at the cafe will get up to go order, look back at me and decide to take there bag with them after all and people in my building absolutely will not speak to me....so...you know.
Bobby is a comedian. He trys to act funny in a way that the japanese will respond too.
And I have news for ya...it doesnt matter what he does or doesnt do, the people watching these shows have a pre-conceived notion of what they want to see...if he was acting differently, he would have no air time at all.
Look at Quintan Jackson, he was really straight and honest and was totally unpopular...Bob Sapp literally got run out of Japan when he quit playing the games.
Japanese talents too, they act normal on TV....those talents doing dumb shit on TV shows or going on and on about how Oishi the ramon is dont give a damn about that, they are just saying their lines to get paid.
Bobby is no different. I dont see what the big problem is.
Iago...Im not black, so I dont know...but look, kids crawl up moms leg and try to get back inside when I walk by...
Old ladies move seats on the train, women at the cafe will get up to go order, look back at me and decide to take there bag with them after all and people in my building absolutely will not speak to me....so...you know.
Bobby is a comedian. He trys to act funny in a way that the japanese will respond too.
And I have news for ya...it doesnt matter what he does or doesnt do, the people watching these shows have a pre-conceived notion of what they want to see...if he was acting differently, he would have no air time at all.
Look at Quintan Jackson, he was really straight and honest and was totally unpopular...Bob Sapp literally got run out of Japan when he quit playing the games.
Japanese talents too, they act normal on TV....those talents doing dumb shit on TV shows or going on and on about how Oishi the ramon is dont give a damn about that, they are just saying their lines to get paid.
Bobby is no different. I dont see what the big problem is.
fare thee well moonchild.
believe what you wish; I suppose that is your normal habit. Bad punctuation? Now that is just funny...but I suppose you are just grasping for something, even if air. My previous summary statement stands, and you still haven't dealt with my comments and criticism even in the slightest manner. I have no qualms at letting the thread stand as is, and as such all it really seems to show is that there are real doubts as to whether you know how to dialog on a topic. I truly hope you are more capable than you showed yourself to be on this thread.
believe what you wish; I suppose that is your normal habit. Bad punctuation? Now that is just funny...but I suppose you are just grasping for something, even if air. My previous summary statement stands, and you still haven't dealt with my comments and criticism even in the slightest manner. I have no qualms at letting the thread stand as is, and as such all it really seems to show is that there are real doubts as to whether you know how to dialog on a topic. I truly hope you are more capable than you showed yourself to be on this thread.
i agree with u to a degree lago. but i have learned to accept the ignorance here in japan. because this is not a culturally diverse country like america/europe/canada, they just dont understand. but then should we call japanese RAP/hip hop, R and B, soul, black music too? as a rapper i think eminem is sorted in the black music section. not the white section. he's whiter than the coke he snorts! and all those latin rappers and r&b singers too. they might be darker than some but not black. SHIT,
black poeple arent even black!! WTF ?! who cares.......
its just simple ignorance and me living in this strange popculture country....is somthing i gotta deal with. like all those japanese fags dressed like gansters. are they black too?? i wanna drop em off in MY hood. (LBC/CPT/south central). see if they last 10 minutes!! show them what being HOOD really is!!
sorry i gotta a lil off subect, but they see shit on TV and....WOW thats cool!! lets copy that now. but a few months later, its out of style anyways.....so i give up.
black poeple arent even black!! WTF ?! who cares.......
its just simple ignorance and me living in this strange popculture country....is somthing i gotta deal with. like all those japanese fags dressed like gansters. are they black too?? i wanna drop em off in MY hood. (LBC/CPT/south central). see if they last 10 minutes!! show them what being HOOD really is!!
sorry i gotta a lil off subect, but they see shit on TV and....WOW thats cool!! lets copy that now. but a few months later, its out of style anyways.....so i give up.
>>I hear you. A great villain he is. But its the racial background (of Iago, Othello, and you) that makes me ask the question...
Well yea. You can argue that Iago wasn't necessarily racist, just pissed off about a lot of stuff. But that's a debate for some other time. I just think he's a masterful villain, and the name isn't taken much on the internet.
Archangel-
About Bobby, some other black dude in Japan already blogged about that, and he did a better job of it than I could so, here - http://www.gaijinsmash.net/archives/bobby.phtml
I don't watch TV much, but I do see a lot of people, Japanese and foreigner alike, acting stupid. I don't think that's a good thing. Maybe it's just me, but the Japanese seem to get off on making fun of people who they think are lower/not as good as they are.
At least with Japanese people though, it's not like the stupid antics of some comedian are applied to any and every joe they see on the street. Bobby however gets turned into the representative for blacks, and the image he makes is not a good one.
Like, I'm sure any Asian guy in America would cringe a little bit if people spotted him and were like "Hey, it's William Hung! She bangs, she bangs! Ha ha ha ha ha!"
Well yea. You can argue that Iago wasn't necessarily racist, just pissed off about a lot of stuff. But that's a debate for some other time. I just think he's a masterful villain, and the name isn't taken much on the internet.
Archangel-
About Bobby, some other black dude in Japan already blogged about that, and he did a better job of it than I could so, here - http://www.gaijinsmash.net/archives/bobby.phtml
I don't watch TV much, but I do see a lot of people, Japanese and foreigner alike, acting stupid. I don't think that's a good thing. Maybe it's just me, but the Japanese seem to get off on making fun of people who they think are lower/not as good as they are.
At least with Japanese people though, it's not like the stupid antics of some comedian are applied to any and every joe they see on the street. Bobby however gets turned into the representative for blacks, and the image he makes is not a good one.
Like, I'm sure any Asian guy in America would cringe a little bit if people spotted him and were like "Hey, it's William Hung! She bangs, she bangs! Ha ha ha ha ha!"
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Well yea. You can argue that Iago wasn't necessarily racist, just pissed off about a lot of stuff. But that's a debate for some other time. I just think he's a masterful villain, and the name isn't taken much on the internet."
Yeah, that is my read on Iago too. He manipulates racist people, by using mildly racist language, but it isn't clear that he himself cares. That is what makes him interesting: motive is a mystery.
Have you seen Okamoto Kihachi's film "Sword of Doom'? My villain of them all resides in that film...
Well yea. You can argue that Iago wasn't necessarily racist, just pissed off about a lot of stuff. But that's a debate for some other time. I just think he's a masterful villain, and the name isn't taken much on the internet."
Yeah, that is my read on Iago too. He manipulates racist people, by using mildly racist language, but it isn't clear that he himself cares. That is what makes him interesting: motive is a mystery.
Have you seen Okamoto Kihachi's film "Sword of Doom'? My villain of them all resides in that film...
I don't really like the term "African-American" just because so many of my black friends object to it. I think the reason they don't like that term is because it refers to their roots, but they have no link to those roots. Many of my black friends have no idea where in Africa their ancestors hail from, so they have tie to that culture. I know that a lot of African culture survived slavery, but it was masked and hidden, and many people don't recognize it as African.
Its different for white people though. They have links to their roots. They have traceable family trees, and they know their lineage. No one ever uses the term "European American" because most white people know their heritage, and can assert a specific place of origin (like Irish-American, Italian-American). Thats why "African-American" is a faulty term. It asserts a link to one's heritage that many people know little about, and don't fully understand. Many black Americans have little interest in their African roots, and assert their American identity.
Its different for white people though. They have links to their roots. They have traceable family trees, and they know their lineage. No one ever uses the term "European American" because most white people know their heritage, and can assert a specific place of origin (like Irish-American, Italian-American). Thats why "African-American" is a faulty term. It asserts a link to one's heritage that many people know little about, and don't fully understand. Many black Americans have little interest in their African roots, and assert their American identity.
36>Sorry to be blunt, but if you aren't "African American", whether or not you like the term is irrelevant. If a person who has African ancestry wants to be called "African-American", that should be fine. If a person of the same ancestry prefers the term "Black", that should be fine too.
People have the right to self-definition.
Why should people who are NOT members of the racial group in question dictate the name by which members of said group be called?
People have the right to self-definition.
Why should people who are NOT members of the racial group in question dictate the name by which members of said group be called?
ちょっとメキシコ人,
Even white Americans don't really have much, if any, links to their original European roots. We don't really carry on many of their cultural traditions. Even our religious traditions in America are different from Europe's. I really think we ought to quit with hyphenated American special grouping, because at this point in time, we're just Americans.
But this is getting into the subject of Nationality. African-American is a fine term for Nationality, but is a really poor term for Race. Race and Nationality are completely different. Today's politically correct world is using African-American as a "nice" word for black people, rather than referring to it for it's purpose of establishing one's nationality.
Even white Americans don't really have much, if any, links to their original European roots. We don't really carry on many of their cultural traditions. Even our religious traditions in America are different from Europe's. I really think we ought to quit with hyphenated American special grouping, because at this point in time, we're just Americans.
But this is getting into the subject of Nationality. African-American is a fine term for Nationality, but is a really poor term for Race. Race and Nationality are completely different. Today's politically correct world is using African-American as a "nice" word for black people, rather than referring to it for it's purpose of establishing one's nationality.
>> African-American
That's not a term for nationality.
African-Americans, Italian-Americans, and Korean-Americans are all American in nationality.
>> I really think we ought to quit with hyphenated American special grouping, because at this point in time, we're just Americans.
There's a valid point in that. But some people feel strongly about their ethnic roots (could be to differentiate themselves from the ruling majority), even if they don't completely understand their ancestors' culture. You can't deny these people what they feel, even if it seems odd (just because you're part of the ethnic majority back home?)
That's not a term for nationality.
African-Americans, Italian-Americans, and Korean-Americans are all American in nationality.
>> I really think we ought to quit with hyphenated American special grouping, because at this point in time, we're just Americans.
There's a valid point in that. But some people feel strongly about their ethnic roots (could be to differentiate themselves from the ruling majority), even if they don't completely understand their ancestors' culture. You can't deny these people what they feel, even if it seems odd (just because you're part of the ethnic majority back home?)
I agree with you, archangel. Black Music?! Wha?! There is no such thing! When I hear such words coming out from some bitches in club or even from TV or Radio, I imagine people trying to be cool about it but they look fool to me. stereotypes, racists...I don't like it. Why can't they just say "I like R&B" or HipHop or whatever...
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>>That's not a term for nationality.
African-Americans, Italian-Americans, and Korean-Americans are all American in nationality.
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Well the problem with this is that you can be any race or ethnic background and come from Italy, or Korea, and become an American citizen. As I pointed out earlier, there are plenty of White Africans who were born and raised in South Africa. South Africa actually has a pretty decent sized white population. These people aren't black, so the nationality term "African-American" being used exclusively for black people in America is incorrect.
With all the variety we have, it is very difficult to classify and not blur lines between race, color, ethnicity, and nationality.
>>That's not a term for nationality.
African-Americans, Italian-Americans, and Korean-Americans are all American in nationality.
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Well the problem with this is that you can be any race or ethnic background and come from Italy, or Korea, and become an American citizen. As I pointed out earlier, there are plenty of White Africans who were born and raised in South Africa. South Africa actually has a pretty decent sized white population. These people aren't black, so the nationality term "African-American" being used exclusively for black people in America is incorrect.
With all the variety we have, it is very difficult to classify and not blur lines between race, color, ethnicity, and nationality.
Being mixed, Japanese/Puerto Rican/African American, I get confused all the time. It frustrates me when I see my own people write stuff like that when I communicate online but then again I give them the benefit of the doubt.
Japan still believes in that closed foundation and what they get of foriegn exposure, OUR culture, is whatever MTV spews out to them. MTV just happens to spew out that we blacks only listen to rap and hip hop. Call women bitches and hoes and shoot "niggas" up.
Its really hard to deal with on all sides. All you can really do is just take the time out and explain that its not " black music " its " hip hop " as rock isn't " white music " (since technically black people were the originators of the style).
Anyway, I'm going to find it interesting when I move over fall of 2008. I wonder what the reaction is going to be when I walk the streets of Tokyo, heh.
Japan still believes in that closed foundation and what they get of foriegn exposure, OUR culture, is whatever MTV spews out to them. MTV just happens to spew out that we blacks only listen to rap and hip hop. Call women bitches and hoes and shoot "niggas" up.
Its really hard to deal with on all sides. All you can really do is just take the time out and explain that its not " black music " its " hip hop " as rock isn't " white music " (since technically black people were the originators of the style).
Anyway, I'm going to find it interesting when I move over fall of 2008. I wonder what the reaction is going to be when I walk the streets of Tokyo, heh.
Ladymercury> What will the reaction be..... they will look at you as a "Gaijin". Doesn't matter what country you come from or your ethnic background, if you ain't fully Japanese, you are a gaijin.
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Andy: I know that... I never expected to be considered Japanese... My point is will I be generalized. What will I be grouped, how will I be grouped... Would I be mistaken for Crystal Kay or for a filipino? Things like those which interest me.
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Andy: I know that... I never expected to be considered Japanese... My point is will I be generalized. What will I be grouped, how will I be grouped... Would I be mistaken for Crystal Kay or for a filipino? Things like those which interest me.
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