☆ENGLISH ONLY☆コミュのNastiness on the internet ...

Simon Cowell? You're thinking a little small.

On the internet, you can hide. Anonumity makes spineless cowards brave. It is the great equalizer. Every opinion is as good as any other. Information like the user's age or level of knowledge or education isn't available so negative opinions of people who would be discounted in life are given heed on the internet.

What is nasty is masturbating in front of Internet, two choices : You use your right hand with the mouse but them have to masturbate with your left one (not great) or you masturbate with your right hand and use your left hand to click on different windows (but the you are slower with the mouse) Which one is the best?

Slipping? I love it when people refer to some time period in which humanity wasnt at war or wasnt pissed off at each other.
This is the Human race....wake up.

archangel,

right on. the myth of the unspoiled time in (clearly known)human history has just got to go. The slippage views just cannot come to terms with the complexity and ugliness of human history.

I think the net is just one of those rapidly expanding avenues for people to put on a mask, assume anonymity and be generally insulting and verbally irresponsible. A lot of the things that are said on the net would easily instigate physical violence in a face to face meeting. That brand of stimulation just happens to be the changing front of personal entertainment for some people. It's depressing, but there's not a lot that will change, unless certain folks suddenly sprout moral fibre during their net rants, incitations and written exchanges.

Thats very right Guchi, people knows that they have nearly no risk to get punch for saying "fuck" to someone. So they feel great power like superman.

#4 Slipping? I love it when people refer to some time period in which humanity wasnt at war or wasnt pissed off at each other.
This is the Human race....wake up

No need to be nasty :o)

And, don't tell me to wake up. That's the exact kind of comment that people throw out without even thinking about it. Of course, humans have always had it in for each other.

I think things are getting worse though. Standards of interaction and communication have slipped. It's all part of dumbing down. People think it's cool to be abusive, aggresive and generally unintelligent. I only posted this because it's good to stop and think about the kind of crap that's going on around us, instead of just brushing it aside, or treating it as if it's acceptable and thus we should deal with it.

Ok .. Simon Cowell .. thinking small, agreed, but he's an example of this kind of net baiting, harassment and general insensitivity that's going on all around us. But, at least he doesn't hide. I'll give him that. But, people are still watching people like him and taking patterns from their behaviour.

It must be relevent for people to be studying it and
writing articles about it.

Seems like people have lost the key to being pleasant somewhere along the line, to my mind.

We've got this new tool ... the internet, and some people are using it like early hominids might have weilded a stick or club. That's a scary thought, isn't it? We haven't come as far as we'd like to think.

It's curious how nasty people can be to each other with no real reason or motivation. Especially when anonimity becomes a factor. Is this something close to what people call pure evil? All the inhibitors are off and it's go for the throat regardless.

#8 Do you really think it's ok? Free speech makes abuse fine and ok? Words can wound some people who are sensitive as easily as a punch or a kick can wound physically, and yet physical abuse can be an arrestable offence.

My comment was not irresponsible, In fact I think what you have said is irresponsible and not particularly well though out.
In addition, I have no problem saying this to you directly, in person.
Read some history....Look at France, Versalles for example...just screwing each other over left and right, London as well, Moscow, China, Japan etc etc.

Cruelty is nothing new.

If you read my last post ... you'll see that I agreed with you. Cruelty is nothing new. People have always had it in for each other. But, I think the way we communicate has gone off the rails.

People criticise, for example, but they don't know how to do it objectively.

Did I hit a raw nerve when I asked, quite politely, not to tell me to wake up? Funny how you immediately jumped down my throat. You've become very defensive. Why?

You think that talking about people being nasty to other people for no apparent reason is irresponsible? How?

In know my history quite well. In fact, I'm an archaeologistw with over 20 years of experience.

It's good that you could say all this in person. It means you're not a coward. Very commendable.

Its the lack of a logical arguement that I think is irresponsible. Not the topic per se.

Im not defensive either, I think we all know its easy for people to get the wrong idea from quick from the hip posts like this one.

-not defensive
-nothing has eroded, no evil has permeated mankind.
-same old same old

People should always be able to say anything freely. That obviously is the foundation of many things. But you are right, people are usually afraid to say these things right to the people. However, i am more then willing to speak my mind to anyone on the internet, phone, or in a real world enviroment.

Anyone remember the old phrase:
"Stick and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me" ?

I always hated that motto type thing. I can verbally assualt someone to last beyond the extent and time range of broken bones with much more in the extent of damage. But at the same time, does that make it right? It all goes in a circle sometimes. Even though the answer angers some, the truth in life should be: say whatever the hell you want, as long as you recognize the consequences. ^^

#13

Well, I admit. I added the posting in the early hours of the morning and I hadn't thought about the wording as much as I might have at some other time. I just thought it was a fairly interesting article that might be good for people to check out. Like you, I think the problem has existed through time immemorial. But, it'd be nice to think we were progressing away from such behaviour rather than perpetuating it.

I think evil has always been a part of mankind ... but, is this expression of nastiness with no motive or reason on the net, using anonimity, as close as we might get to seeing that pure evil - the evil which is part of all of us - without stepping onto a battlefield, or into some other situation where hatred and evil might evidence itself?

#14 Yeah ... but say whatever the hell you want and be aware of the other party's sensitivities would be a whole lot better.

Pipe dream of course ... but there you go.

>15: mrkuryakin
Well, that is a true thought. That is half of what i ment by the consequences. Some people can tell the limits while others do not.

Like take the topic's Simon Cowell, if he played nice, then everyone would think "ok, maybe later". Even the ones that suck really bad. Sometimes the truth hurts, no matter how it is packaged. And sometimes it takes pickaxe to get it into their heads... but in this case, i agree with the lack of sensitivity. That is why i dont see him as being "mean".

Well ... it's true, some people have to be told quite bluntly sometimes.

I come from an East London family and have been brought up with the belief that it's better to say what you think. It's a hard thing to break when it's part of your basic programming but, still, I've tried for a long time now to find a balance between being brutally honest and in a way that I can back up what I say with some objectivity or constructive criticism.

As a result of my background, I guess I'm a little thicker skinned than some people. I usually take what people say about me on the chin and think, yeah, ok, you thinks what you thinks, move along the bus please. But I can see how some people can be affected deeply, even by an off-hand remark that maybe the deliverer of which may not have even thought twice about.

Anyway, what interests also me is whether some of these people who are totally nasty, just because nobody can see them, and because they can be, are displaying some evidence of that core evil that runs through humanity. Kind of like people who torture and abuse people for the hell of it, or just because the other person is weaker and because they can.

On the other hand, is the anonymous nasty person really and 11 pound weakling in real life, who wouldn't say boo to a goose normally, but is feeling empowered in this position of anonimity.

Actually, since starting this thread I've revised my opinion that we're slipping further away from something that was there before. I think we've been in it all along, but haven't yet found a way of pulling ourselves out of it.

I got to thinking about the hominid with the stick analogy in comparison with us now and the internet. It's probably the case that when our little monkey ancestor (if that's where you believe we came from .. which is a whole other topic) probably didn't immediately realise the potential of the innocent little piece of wood he or she was holding in their hand. How it would change their life completely ... give the supremacy, housing, weapons, tools ...

It's the same with the net. It's a whole new way of being able to communicate, and I don't think we've really yet grasped the power or implications of it fully, and what it can actually do to others, or how a seemingly simple commuincation might affect the wider world. I think we're still at the beginning and perhaps we don't even realise it.

I know nobody will read that .. but, well, who gives a monkeys? :o)

In defense of my original posting I did actually say '... the mire which it SEEMS to be slipping into ...' and not that it actually is. I'm not sure I believed this from the beginning anyway, it was just assumed that I did. My next question probably would have been, 'is it going anywhere at all?' if I'd have been awake enought to think about it more.

What keeps you from insulting someone that you feel might just kick the shit out of you. Survial. There is no real feelings of danger for most people on the net because they hide behind false photos and names and know they probably cant be caught. If everyone had to back up thier words, you would hear a lot less being said.

Mmm ... like the road rage principle. It's easy to insult and abuse someone when you're cruising past them at a hundred miles an hour because they just cut you up. But, on foot in a busy street, if someone steps in front of you randomly, or knocks into you, seemingly by accident, you're more likely to come through with an apology first, or at the same time as the other person comes at you with their apology.

Apologising when confronted in the flesh is lot more desirable than maybe getting your head kicked in, eh? :o)

I've always liked this saying.. "Deal with it"

So simple.. =]

Well, that's the other thing. Deal with it. You've probably got thick skin like me. However, some people don't. Maybe we're the lucky ones.

It amazes me that some people can accept anonymous abuse (or any kind of abuse) through the net and say it's just something that happens, therefore it's ok and acceptable. That's really just being part of a problem rather than a solution.

Still, probably there is no solution.

Personally, I'm a misanthropist and just hate everyone.
lol :o)

Dog is mans best friend for real.

Yeah Archangel knows a lot about dog.

Now I don't want to mention anything about animals and incriminate myself further ...

lol :o)

lol..thats a gd one bro DJ .ESPECIALLY CHIHUAHUA ..

Yeah a chihuahua can be very nasty too!