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Here is something i think everyone in the world has a strong opinion about.

I myself am a Heavy Smoker of 5 years now.
I know it's a disgusting and nasty habit. My friends and Family alike want me to quite. I have no hard feelings towards the general publics view on banning smoking in Public. Because it's Un-Healthy and unfair to have to inhale and smell someone else's nasty habit. I have no problem with the Idea of Banning smoking in public.

My question; Should smoking be Banned or Limited?

I know for a fact, That the U.S. is taking strong steps towards banning smoking in the General public. Before, you used to be able to smoke in the General public, Such as in Restaurants and Airports. Then they created smoking sections. Now even the smoking sections are completely gone. Only few places remain in the U.S. where you can actually go in-doors and smoke.. Not even Bars allow smoking these days.

Smoking near Public schools is Illegal, smoking near public building doors and windows is Illegal, smoking in Public parks is illegal.
Even Colleges are starting to Ban Smoking on Campus.

Or at least this is happening in my City of San Diego.

I do believe sooner or later, smoking in public at all will become illegal here. It's only a matter of time.

I have no idea about Europa or most Asian Countries.

I do know in most places in Japan it's illegal to smoke well you are walking. You are only limited to the 'Smoking Areas' well outside.Although, If i read the signs right. It had more to do with the Hazards of burning people that you are walking next to. Not having anything to do with the actual health hazards.

But once you hit a Shinkansen, or a Restaurant. It's only a matter of grabbing an ash tray and taking a seat. Where the Smoking section is only 10-20 Feet away from the 'Non-Smoking' section. As if that really makes any difference since smoke can travel across the room.

What do you believe is a good idea? As a smoker, Ex-Smoker or Non-Smoker.. Ban smoking in public or Limit the areas you can Smoke in public?

What are the smoking situations in your countries?

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maybe, you know, Japan have been strict against the smoker. so in my college, the place somking permitted is very small and less.
and i think the most important thing in Japan is that juveniles smoke.
they feel smoking is cool in their daily life.
my friends also smoke a lot.
but....
it is clear that somking is harmful and has bad effect to people body.
so i think smoking should be banned.
could you have consensus to my opinion?
I'm a smoker, and sorry non-smokers but fuck off if you say we can't smoke outside.

Crashing down the road in a tin can full of gasoline at 70m.p.h, surrounded by other tin cans bombing along at similar speeds, or even coming from the opposite direction at similar speeds, isn't very safe. And we know it isn't very safe because of the thousands of car accidents, injuries, deaths, pile-ups, even explosions every year.
I don't drive, and drivers are a direct threat to my health.
But I don't demand people stop driving...
1) because I'm reasonable
2) because it's hypocritical if I do something that could affect someone else's health too
and
3) because there are much bigger more important problems in the World than the health (read : egos) of rich people.

The no-smoking lobby is the worst example of Liberalism, infact it's probably the opposite of liberalism - sounds more like not allowing people free choice along the line's of "the greater good outweighs the wishes of a minority"...
That's not very liberal.

So as with the car example I pull the "companions in guilt" card. If we are to ban smoking in future, why not cars? why not boxing? why not American Idol? why not war? why not dog-owners whose pets empty their intestine's all over parks our tax Dollars/Pounds/Euros/Yens are paying for?

I smoke outside, and if it enrages you, pent up that anger and turn it on some real issue like why the fuck is Africa still bullied by the first World, why do we still drive gasoline cars, why don't our super rich citizens get into philanthropy like they used to, why is Brittany Spears cute again? etc

Put that in your pipe and smoke it non-smokers (growl)


((this wasn't a totally serious post by the way))
#5

I totally get what your trying to say..

But have you actually looked at the Statistics related to deaths from Smoking related causes and Car Accident related causes? It's not just a small gap, but a HUGE gap..

In 1998 around 43,000 people died due to car related accidents.

In 1998 over 400,000 deaths are caused directly by cigarette smoking.

And the numbers just increase over time..
Just go ahead and search around on-line...

This is just in the U.S., Now just think of the numbers globally.. Yes, I do think they should eventually ban the Combustion engine in cars..

The technology is getting there were we eventually can drive cars off of water basically.
But that's still a good 10 years off...

You might as well not even wear a seat-belt when in a car. Just a thought...

#6
When i say ban, I mean Banning in Public, to where you are confined to smoking only on your own property. Or if your an extremist, Completely banning the sell of tobacco (Which is imposable)

Limiting, As in only specific areas to smoke, as you so pointed out with the Enclosed smoking sections.
I'm a non-smoker but I don't mind people
smoking around me. What really bugs me
is when smokers throw their cigarette butts
on the ground.
what about smokers rights ? ban cigarette is impossible cause thats all the taxs money come from ..the goverment will never ban it ...the most they can do is increase the cigarette price which alot of goverment is doing it now . i dont know that the goverment is doing this for the public health or for money :) anyway ban cigarette and legalize weeds:) make people pay taxs for weeds!!!!!
レ)レ)于ャ is correct saying that Canada does not permit smoking in enclosed public areas. I believe it was a couple years ago when they placed this law in the country and there was a slight uproar but nothing major. Most people liked the idea of this ban of smoking (at least in my city).

Also, as andrew has said, banning cigarette would be next to impossible because of the tax dollars that the governments receive. It is still a very big product and banning such a thing would be very difficult. I do not think it is impossible, but I do not think it will change for the next 10 or more years.

I don't like smoking but it's something that people come across on a daily basis. So I just accept it. I don't think it is the greatest thing in the world to do and I don't like the fact that smoking can second-hand smoke, but a person can't do anything about it. If someone says they got cancer because of second-hand smoke, it is possible but there are other factors to check (such as family background with cancer or other diseases that could cause such a thing to occur in a person). So saying that second-hand smoke is JUST the cause of cancer is outrageous.
7> mmm, thanks for the figures....
More tobacco deaths than car deaths, would definitely say there's a bigger need to ban cigarettes than cars.
If we were to use mortality numbers, I think we'd find plenty of figures that are even bigger than cigarette deaths..
I did an (extremely quick) net search too....and found ;

The number of people slaughtered by what is happening in Darfur for instance....

the US government low balled the fuck out of it saying it was somewhere in the range of 60,000 to 170,000...
When it is really more like a figure close to 400,000
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12485-2005Apr23.html)

So non-smoking lobbyists - what is more important to you ;

・your personal health
・the genocide in Darfur
?

The veracity with which these people chase smokers, but sit on their hands about something like Darfur for instance just shows they are more selfish and egotistical than the smokers they paint as just that.

So the Mortality number position, while fair enough, raises a whole load of more uncomfortable, and embarrassing questions for us.

As smokers we can also point to non-mortal health numbers, adolescent obesity for instance...
You can't smoke until you're an adult (whatever age your country says that is) but you can have a Double Cheeseburger, large fries, and a pint of Coke from McDonalds at any age.
Who needs regulating there?

The whole question of forcing people to do what is healthy for them is a dangerous one, because it's easy to exptrapolate it and say 'we should be able to force our citizens to do anything we deem "good" for them, wether they like it or not - because it's good for them'...
That's irrelevant...
and what's more who decides what's "good" and "bad"

The debate should be reframed for what it is at heart -
Are the majority prepared to protect a minority's freedom?

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Totally unrelated, but regarding the total banning of smoking in Airports, it's ridiculous and spoils the Airport experience for everyone.
Last time I went to L.A.X, everyone (the smokers) scramble off the plane, sprinting to the exit, and form a smoking mob outside the terminal, and the "garden" they have there outside the terminal doors/pick up area has just become one great big communal ash tray.
I'm not sure if it's intended to be an ash tray, but everyone uses it as one (me too) and it doesn't look much prettier than any ash tray would....not very garden like at all.
Just mucking up the airport.
Don't blame smokers for that - if you needed to go the toilet, and there were no toilets by law (for some insane reason) you'd have to find the most convenient/secluded spot to do your business...
Smokers are addicted to nicotine, nicotine is a legal drug as far as I know - you can't get arrested for buying nicotine products, they sell them in stores etc
So doesn't it seem like cruel and unusual punishment to demand us nicotine addicts can't have our totally legal fix?
It also seems a bit illegal to me...
If you detained a POW and said "No. You can not go to the toilet in this prison" it would be torture.

That's what totally banning smoking in Airports is.
i think there should be more smokers areas in public places, especially airports... and perhaps an emergency room on airplanes with a seperate ventilation/filter system.
air rage is becoming a common occurance, why? because smokers are deprived of their legal fix for long periods... sometimes in transit there is nowhere to smoke even... so you get all these junkies on international flights going 10 hours or more without some sort of a fix.. sometimes as bad as 24 hours plus.
in the future, terrorism on flights will be less of a problem than rabid smokers, desperate for their puff of sanity.
I also agree that weed should be legalised.. many 3rd world economies would be revived... bio diesel could be made from the rest of the plant (the unsmokable bits) because after all Mr. Diesel (and Mr. Ford) designed their engines to run on marijuana diesel.
bio diesel is cleanburning in comparison to fossil fuels, the world wouldn't be held hostage by americas oil wars... people would be happier and healthier.. and so would the economy.


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I've noticed something at fastfood restaurant. McDonalds where smoking and non-smoking areas are devided but non-smokers could still inhale the smoke cuz they're right next to them. But like mos burgers and stuff where they have a sepeterate little room for smokers with doors closed which I think is good. I do somke so I dont mind when people smoke at restaurants but thinking about the non-smokers makes me realize how disgusting that is.
16> with you all the way there.

18> Yeah, I agree with you spenceR. Smokers should definitely have their smoking areas, and the air in there, kept separate from non-smokers.
I actually don't mind totally non-smoking restaurants though.


Have you been to the smoking rooms they have at Nartia Airport?
I think the concept is great, and it keeps the air clean for non-smokers, but the "smoking room" experience as a smoker is not very good. They really need to work on extracting the air better in there....
We wanna smoke...
But we don't want to have a submarine in there
(weed smokers know what I'm talking about)

Better extractors please Narita.
(There has to be enough money for that if they can build a new terminal)
The State of Washinton prohibits smoking anywhere inside the building, whether it's a bar or a hospital. Your only choice as a smoker is to smoke outside (at least 25 feet away from any entrance or window) or in your own home.

Being a non-smoker who walks around all the time, I'd much rather they let you smoke in a designated space inside than out on the streets. I commute by bus. It always bothers me that a few people smoke at the bus stop. No, it's not illegal, but IMO it should be .I have no choice but to expose myself to the cigarette smoke for a while in order to catch my bus.

So my opinion is that no, you don't need to ban cigarette smoking. You just need to limit it those who don't smoke will not have to suffer.
Smoking should be limited because it's really dificult to ban something.

I want smokers to be isolated from non-smokers and feel guilty about smoking! It shoud be more helphul to smokers to quit it than ban it.
Smokers rights...lol

Basically, anything short of a total ban on smoking in public areas is a waste of
time. Having a no-smoking section in a restaurant is like having a no-pissing section
in a swimming pool. Eventually, you're swimming in it. The only difference is
that smoke can kill you. So go right ahead and smoke at home, but the government
should completely ban smoking in public areas.

Also, for people with kids -- have a heart and stop bringing them with you into
the smoking sections. I see this all the time in Saizeriya and it breaks my heart.
Governments should illegalise the production of cigarettes. They never will though because they know that people like myself contribute towards the huge amount of tax money generated selling the stuff. If they make it illegal for me to smoke my cigs, then they also know they can generate even more money issuing fines and so on.

22> There are inconsiderate b*stards in all walks of life, be they smokers, people who drive and total a**holes who think they don't need to queue when they see 100 people standing in a line infront of them.

I find many non-smokers don't care about people smoking around them. The biggest advocates for banning smoking seem to be former smokers...
for you guys out there who share the same view as me :)..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkX3RpzOq5c
People just get dumber and dumber.

This could be a serious problem. People are trying to make the image a very large group of people on the same scale as heavy drug users. Don't you think they will start acting like people who use heavy drugs? You think they will just quit if you make them feel bad enough?? My mom tried that when my Sister gained some weight back in the day. It didn't work. She just slumped into a depression and ate more.

Also, people who want cigarettes illegalized are just wishful thinking. Our government could give a rat's ass about us. They get lots of money from lobbyists plus taxes on cigarettes come in...

Seeing as most smokers have moved outside, I don't see what the problem is. Most people are not truly concerned about their health either, they merely just do not like the smell. This is not something that smokers owe anyone. I never liked PDA, or the toxicity that comes out of certain old ass manufacturing company vehicles (you know what I mean, that BLACK smoke), or the smell of a chicken truck passing by, but I have tolerated these things.
IT SHOULD BE F***ING BANNED! I AM SO FED UP OF SMOKE, I WAS A SMOKER BEFORE TOO, 7YEARS AGO, THE DIFFERENCE FROM BEFORE AND NOW IS HUGE, I MEAN LIKE DAY AND NIGHT.
>> Most people are not truly concerned about their
>> health either, they merely just do not like the
>> smell.

Some people may be like that. For me, I get sick if I'm near that smell for a long time. My throat starts to hurt, and I start coughing.
THE GOOD THING WITH SMOKE IS THAT A SMOKER WILL DIE MUCH SOONER THAN A NON SMOKER, SO THEY COAST LESS MONEY TO OTHERS.
だいはど,
You might get sick, but you should move away from the person, unless of course they are or in YOUR property. I got sick when I sat by a sick guy in my class. Why did he come to class I think? But it was his choice...

DJ Stout,
I wouldnt get too excited. Ive known smokers who never got lung cancer or they got it when they were old ass, like my great grandmother. Shes 97 and she just got diagnosed, however, she smoker her entire life.
I think we don't need to worry about smoking since I
read the influence of indirect smoking is not so
harmful as we can think of. Statically speaking,
indirect smoking doesn't seem to affect your lifelong
expectancy.
Probably Just raising tobacco price would be sufficient
enough to shrink the demand of smoking.
Store or restaurant owners should be able to choose whether to allow smoking in their premises or not. Consumers have the right to choose where to go too. I don't like Hip-Hop so I would not go to a bar where loud Hip-Hop is being played. If someone doesn't like smoke, he/she should go to a non-smoking place.
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>> You might get sick, but you should move away from the
>> person, unless of course they are or in YOUR property.

It is generally true. The problem is, we are all in line waiting for the bus at the bus stop. What am I supposed to do? Move away from the smoker behind me and miss the bus?

I was in a situation like that a few weeks ago. A woman in the same line asked the smoker politely if he could stop smoking because she could not stand the smoke. The response she got: "Is this a non-smoking section? No."
Canada already has smoking bans as well.

In my school you can only smoke in certain areas. Although many people still smoke in non-smoking areas, it reduces the amount of smokers loitering by doorways by a lot.

Only in some clubs and entertainment places (bowling alley, bingo...) there are smoking rooms. It is much better for employees and non-smokers. Smokers can still go outside to smoke. So no one is making anyone quit if they like to smoke.

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