ウィスパリング同時通訳研究会コミュのWhat Now? | Bishop Matthew Kukah | TEDxMaitama Naigeria

00:00:15thank you very much great to be here and
00:00:17I want to say a big hello to everybody
00:00:22um this is not my first outing at TEDx
00:00:24but so let me first of all congratulate
00:00:27TEDx by Tama because I was at TEDx
00:00:29London TEDx
00:00:33Houston some few years back but then
00:00:37between then and now I haven’t changed
00:00:39in height average change in complexion
00:00:43but I was in wearing the cross now I
00:00:45have a bigger cross which means I have a
00:00:49much bigger status first of all I think
00:00:51the whole idea whoever came up with this
00:00:53idea of what now
00:00:57couldn’t have been more prophetic the
00:00:59theme itself is elastic the concept is
00:01:00quite fascinating I’m very fascinated
00:01:04because we can talk endlessly about a
00:01:07concept but as individuals our
00:01:11communities as nations and literally as
00:01:16a world concept what now imagine a young
00:01:19man struggling to get into university
00:01:21young girl’s problem to get into
00:01:24university he or she finally gets into
00:01:26university admits all the difficulties
00:01:30of Nigeria finally graduates what now
00:01:35now I’ve got a certificate what next a
00:01:39boy and a girl fall in love that
00:01:41desperate to get married they finally do
00:01:44get married if they after the wedding
00:01:50what next what now I guess the World Cup
00:01:52is about to end and when it does end and
00:01:54somebody lives off the cob we say what
00:01:54next
00:01:58what now I think we had a very difficult
00:02:00time in Nigeria it doesn’t need
00:02:05repeating it doesn’t it say and indeed
00:02:10we have to post the question what now
00:02:13when we close and end the battle with
00:02:15Boko Haram or against Boko Haram we have
00:02:18to ask the question what now when we
00:02:21conclude our elections whether wins or
00:02:22whoever loses we have to ask the
00:02:26question what now the question is
00:02:28service philosophical but is critical
00:02:31for human survival and for us in Nigeria
00:02:33let me first of all speak to the issue
00:02:37you know there used to be a musical
00:02:39group called Ted world I don’t know
00:02:40whether they still exist I don’t hear
00:02:43their music any longer but they used to
00:02:45sing a song which was actually a very
00:02:48favorite song of mine it says now that
00:02:54we found love what are we gonna do we
00:02:56read the young girl is already dancing
00:02:59let’s leave it there but yes now we
00:03:01found independence what are we going to
00:03:03do with it now we entered militarily
00:03:05Nigeria what are we going to do
00:03:07now we’ve entered with full on the heads
00:03:10man or whatever name may call them what
00:03:11next
00:03:14now the question what next also speaks
00:03:17to history but fundamentally speaks to
00:03:21vision and it speaks to the vision of
00:03:23whether it’s an individual or a young
00:03:25couple that I decided to get married or
00:03:27a young grad undergraduate who enters
00:03:30the university what makes simply means
00:03:33now that I’m in a university I aim to
00:03:35get a first-class I want to graduate as
00:03:38the best in my class oh now we finally
00:03:40got you marry what are we gonna do we
00:03:43have to make sure that the vows that
00:03:45brought us together our food filled so
00:03:47for us as a country we pose the question
00:03:52for Nigeria what now and unfortunately
00:03:54for us in Nigeria this is not a question
00:03:58that our politicians have asked it’s not
00:04:00a question it’s not a question that the
00:04:02successive generals who kept staging
00:04:06crews managed to ask because I they
00:04:08asked the question we probably would
00:04:10have been a much better society and a
00:04:13much better country than we are now
00:04:16if you listen to the speeches of cupola
00:04:19tiles from 1966 right through to the
00:04:22last coup in 1994 stage by general Ibaka
00:04:26not to talk of the attempted cruise but
00:04:28every time a cool stage you if you read
00:04:29the speeches of the coup plotter
00:04:31you will find that they were always one
00:04:34written in a hurry and to evidence of an
00:04:37uncompleted text because almost every
00:04:39time they staged a coup after they’ve
00:04:42read the speech they always ended up by
00:04:45telling us to stay by our radios because
00:04:47evidently people who have staged a coup
00:04:50and not yet ready we had to stay by our
00:04:52radios because perhaps they had a maid
00:04:54of their man who was going to be head of
00:04:56state they were not made of the a man
00:04:57what they want to do for Nigeria the
00:04:59barometer of their man about who is
00:05:00going to be in the team and who is not
00:05:03going to be in the team the result is
00:05:03death
00:05:06faltering history of our country and the
00:05:08father our country continues to
00:05:10literally remain so severely fractured
00:05:13speaks to the issue of the vision or
00:05:14lack of vision of those who have
00:05:18governed Nigeria not only the military
00:05:20story is not too different with a
00:05:24political class from independence still
00:05:26dead what we’ve had a bunch of people
00:05:28good people in many respects but
00:05:31stumbling into power with no text but
00:05:33absolutely no idea what they’re going to
00:05:38do with power in part because successive
00:05:40presidents have always been brought from
00:05:42somewhere on parachutes to become
00:05:47presidents of Nigeria and and as you
00:05:49know our current president the repress
00:05:51them who Harry himself had said he was
00:05:54retiring from politics but it was
00:05:56literally compelled to go back into
00:05:59politics the result of all this is that
00:06:00we have a severely as as a severely
00:06:02fractured nation that is neither good
00:06:04nor common and every time a government
00:06:07comes in it proves to be worse than the
00:06:12one that came before so what now now if
00:06:14you look at the history of nations and I
00:06:17just pick three countries first United
00:06:19States of America by no means not a
00:06:20perfect society
00:06:23no society starting to you know for
00:06:25perfection in public oh we’re human
00:06:27beings perfection belongs only to God
00:06:30we as ordinary humans can try to do the
00:06:33will of God we will stumble we will fall
00:06:35we will see we will confess will sin
00:06:38again I will confess so live in itself
00:06:40for us whether as Christians or Muslims
00:06:44is an endless tale of apologies
00:06:48reconciliation and forgiveness Abram
00:06:50Lincoln became a post-war president in
00:06:52the United States of America and I think
00:06:55the best place to look is a speech that
00:06:57one of the shuttle speeches in history
00:07:01only 275 words they get this box speech
00:07:06which was written in 1863 now in the
00:07:09speech very short speech credit is an
00:07:14adult speech but more or less Abraham
00:07:16Lincoln laid the foundation for why
00:07:18America must become a Democratic Society
00:07:21the speech open with a quotation from
00:07:25the 1776 Declaration of Independence
00:07:29when American said very clearly the
00:07:32founding fathers we sign on to the
00:07:35proposition that all men and women are
00:07:37created equal
00:07:40uncie Quentin the Gators book speech
00:07:43focuses on the sacrifices of those who
00:07:47had already died in the war the speech
00:07:49was delivered in an environment of
00:07:53massive devastation copses broken
00:07:56buildings broken houses broken
00:08:00infrastructure well then one word that
00:08:02appears in that speech at least four
00:08:07times is the word dedication and abiram
00:08:09Lincoln doesn’t want Americans to pity
00:08:12those who have given their lives but he
00:08:14makes the point that from their blood
00:08:16from their sacrifices a greater nation
00:08:20must emerge and that we don’t owe the
00:08:23dead our tears what we all the death in
00:08:26reality the sacrifice to ensure that the
00:08:29reasons for why they died that they
00:08:34didn’t die in vain now we live a brand
00:08:39Lincoln and look at Mandela about which
00:08:43stuff was already know after his years
00:08:44in prison man
00:08:47Mandela comes out he looks back at the
00:08:49sacrifices he looks at back at those who
00:08:51have made the sacrifices he looks back
00:08:55at what he fought for the NZ was founded
00:08:58in 1922 and then I came out of prison in
00:09:011990 what happened in between what
00:09:02happened in between is a story of
00:09:09imprisonment death widows widowers
00:09:13orphans still of sacrifice and so
00:09:16Mandela then decided that the best thing
00:09:18he would do the only legitimate
00:09:21sacrifice he can make for the people of
00:09:23South Africa contrary to what some of us
00:09:25think is not that he decided to do only
00:09:28one term know it is that he believed it
00:09:30was important against the backdrop of
00:09:32all the pain the suffering of those who
00:09:35are gone before and the sacrifices that
00:09:39had kept the light of the struggle for
00:09:41human freedom alive needed to be
00:09:44rewarded and he rewarded it by insisting
00:09:48that his victory was not a victory for
00:09:52black people and that his victory was
00:09:54not a victory for the oppressed alone
00:09:56it had to be victory for the victim
00:09:59cause injustice people say justice a
00:10:01three-way strip the healthy justice
00:10:03forbid for the perpetrator justice for
00:10:06the victim and justice for the larger
00:10:09society and as a result he decided to
00:10:12design a template what came to be known
00:10:16as the rainbow coalition and our rainbow
00:10:20coalition for Bram Lincoln had to have
00:10:22the characteristics of a rainbow or the
00:10:25rainbow suggest to many of all that
00:10:28thunderstorms heavy rainfalls and Noboru
00:10:32come the result is the relative peace
00:10:36and stability that enable South Africa
00:10:39rather than turning into an ocean of
00:10:43blood of revenge the nipple turn Africa
00:10:45to lay a foundation for much more
00:10:47democratic society because when Mandela
00:10:49came out of prison on the 11th of
00:10:52February 1990 I’m sure the question I
00:10:53asked himself is
00:10:59now how do I recover the 27 years I’ve
00:11:04lost what now my wealth and my children
00:11:05have not seen me
00:11:09what now I have to go out of my way to
00:11:12make sure that I lay a foundation that
00:11:14will ensure that they never suffer again
00:11:18but Mandela looked beyond himself look
00:11:21beyond his immediate comfort but he was
00:11:24definitely not a perfect human being but
00:11:25everything that happened in South Africa
00:11:28Denis now so just very clearly there was
00:11:31a lot of thinking so the critical
00:11:35question as to what now is to ask the
00:11:37philosophical question what is my role
00:11:39what do I want for myself for as an
00:11:42individual as a family then by extension
00:11:45as in larger society when people say
00:11:46their husband is the head of the family
00:11:49is man is really an economic proposition
00:11:52there are many households where the fact
00:11:54where the father is probably and in
00:11:56fanless or even jobless and the mother
00:11:58is the one who is earning the money
00:12:00many might argue that actually we should
00:12:04be thinking about the mothers or the
00:12:06ones that actually the woman should be
00:12:10the head of the household well because
00:12:13we are Africans because we’re in a
00:12:16patriarchal society which privileges the
00:12:19man over the woman acceptable not really
00:12:21by any stretch of the imagination but
00:12:22when you talk about the head of the
00:12:26family you are trying to approximate the
00:12:28notion that there has to be somebody
00:12:30with a bit of a vision about what this
00:12:33family should look like and this is that
00:12:35vision that fits into what the children
00:12:39do and what the mother does so the point
00:12:45is 50 years 60 years after independence
00:12:49the troubles we had after the Civil War
00:12:54the text of the speech of mahjongg saga
00:12:58in 1966 January 15 if you take it I read
00:13:02it today basically the same story Drago
00:13:03is talking about corruption talking
00:13:04about you know
00:13:06fighting corruption and ending
00:13:08corruption and making it possible for
00:13:10ordinary citizens to feel proud to be
00:13:12Nigeria because he said we have come
00:13:14we’ve staged this school because we
00:13:17don’t want anybody who it says it is not
00:13:19Nigeria to feel inadequate
00:13:25today 150 years later we’re not the
00:13:29happiest people on earth I don’t know
00:13:32what there is inside but war has not
00:13:35ended blood has not ended
00:13:39what now to answer their question we
00:13:42must also think a bit more clearly about
00:13:44the nature of the injuries that have
00:13:45been inflicted on this nation it’s not
00:13:47enough for us to complain about what the
00:13:49politicians have done or what the
00:13:53president has done or not done what the
00:13:55governor has done or not done is not
00:13:56enough to complain about what the
00:13:58military did I just make the references
00:14:01to them when in order to state where we
00:14:03are well I think what is most important
00:14:06and most significant is that we need
00:14:08going forward to think a little bit more
00:14:12clearly about where are we how are we
00:14:15hurting now why are we hurting because
00:14:18every segment of this country is hot
00:14:21people who are from the South sing well
00:14:22we are suffering because they’re not
00:14:25animals have taken over everything
00:14:27nothing I’ll say well we are suffering
00:14:29because they soundin has control almost
00:14:31all the economy the minority say we
00:14:33complain because the dominant ethnic
00:14:34groups are the world that are
00:14:37persecuting us truth of the matter we’re
00:14:38in this together
00:14:42we had a hang together we’ll hang
00:14:48separately by 1989 a historian recorded
00:14:50who was actually Potter he was very much
00:14:54involved with the jump examination and
00:14:59he said that by 1989 only about 8,000 of
00:15:02the millions of young people sitting for
00:15:07John wanted to read history and it may
00:15:09not they verify that history has been
00:15:11taken out of the legit nigeria
00:15:13university saleable and other
00:15:16institutions or at least at a level of
00:15:17second that you know secondary school
00:15:18education and prime
00:15:21school and so on but not being connected
00:15:23but the fact that perhaps people
00:15:26realized that fewer and fewer Algerians
00:15:28were interested in history and I make
00:15:30the point that it is precisely because
00:15:33we are not interested in history top to
00:15:34bottom
00:15:35that’s why we’ve ended up where we have
00:15:40ended up you all know the same rhythm
00:15:42correct the mistakes of history history
00:15:46has a way of repeating itself we are not
00:15:48in agreement about any narrative in
00:15:51Nigeria but clearly every segment of
00:15:54this country has suffered but we’ve
00:15:55suffered differently
00:15:58say we ask what now my immediate answer
00:16:01is we must come back to the table and
00:16:05design a coherent history or historical
00:16:08account of the history of Nigeria anyway
00:16:12a manner that does not continue to blame
00:16:16one group on the other the south is will
00:16:20say we will remember the Afra s always
00:16:22will say we remember what happened to us
00:16:26on the operation wait yet the middle
00:16:27bell will talk about the chief riders
00:16:31and the endpoint almost endless crisis
00:16:34the Northeast is the epicenter of
00:16:37conflict and violence in Nigeria today
00:16:41they’re not well run tragically I am
00:16:46Bishop of Socotra and until only last
00:16:48week the journalists interviewed me
00:16:51actually as late as last week wanted to
00:16:53know from me why is it that Cecotto is
00:16:56so peaceful now we’ve also been baptized
00:16:58by the violence of the headsman or
00:17:01criminals whatever you call them the
00:17:03most part of this country has been left
00:17:06untouched the question therefore is that
00:17:07if we are going to move forward we must
00:17:11move forward together and this is where
00:17:13leadership then becomes important this
00:17:15is where vision then becomes important
00:17:18and I’m I mean very much enamored of the
00:17:20notion of the TEDx conversations and
00:17:22I’ve listened to quite a good number of
00:17:25them I wish I could be as eloquent as a
00:17:27lot of the young men and young women
00:17:30that I have listened to what
00:17:32this does is gives me a lot of hope and
00:17:35a lot of confidence and that tomorrow is
00:17:37going to be much better and not because
00:17:40our economies will grow tomorrow is
00:17:43going to get better not because I will
00:17:46have more resources or will the
00:17:49populations will grow bigger tomorrow is
00:17:51going to get better not necessarily
00:17:54because Nigeria’s oil prices will go up
00:17:58by whatever percentage tomorrow is going
00:18:00to be better and not by virtue of the
00:18:02kind of leader that we have in Nigeria
00:18:05weather is male/female weather is
00:18:08Christian or Muslim tomorrow’s going to
00:18:09be better because when I look at the
00:18:12young people of today across the world I
00:18:15get a sense that the world would be a
00:18:18better place and I make the point
00:18:24because the dynamism the energy the
00:18:26sheer brilliance the opportunities that
00:18:29are now available to us so just very
00:18:31clearly that perhaps we need to stop
00:18:34taking our attention away from the
00:18:36notion that we have about leadership an
00:18:38office in Africa and other parts of the
00:18:40world is only in Africa largely because
00:18:42of the lack of development the decayed
00:18:45infrastructure the intensity of
00:18:47corruption this is the reason why we
00:18:48continue to look up to old men young
00:18:50young and old men who are holding office
00:18:53and we continue to deceive ourselves
00:18:54that the future lies in what the
00:18:56governor’s will do what the president
00:19:02will do well I’ve got news for you if we
00:19:04focus on what our politicians are ever
00:19:07going to do in Nigeria maybe I
00:19:09exaggerated but I’m convinced that
00:19:12politics in Nigeria has them as now will
00:19:16not be a criminal enterprise now the
00:19:18hostage-taking will not end the
00:19:20corruption is we’re about to end and
00:19:22don’t deceive yourself it is the oxygen
00:19:24that drives everything in my Chilean
00:19:27life to fight corruption
00:19:29the only reason and the only way you can
00:19:31fight corruption is through the kind of
00:19:33technology that young men and women are
00:19:35coming up with now corruption is very
00:19:37functional