George Parker: (21:37)
Thank you, Prime Minister. You Mentioned the change that will happen at the border in any event on January the first. I just wondered if there was anything in this deal where the two sides have agreed to introduce some sort of flexibility at the border, to make sure we don’t have chaos in Dover and Kelly on January the first. Second more general points, you and I used to be reporters in Brussels, and we’ve covered the psychodrama of British EU relations for a number of decades. Nigel Farage said today that the war is over. I just wondered if you saw it in those terms.
Boris Johnson: (22:13)
No. First of all on the border and measures, too, there are all sorts of things in the treaty that you will recognize about trusted traders, schemes, and special measures on the sanitary and phytosanitary recognition and steps to make sure that things flow as smoothly as we possibly can, though again, I stress that there will be things that people have to do. Look, I mean, the EU was and is an extraordinary concept. It was born out of the agony of the second world war, founded by idealistic people in France and Germany, and Italy, who never wanted those countries to go to war with each other again, and other countries, Belgium, Holland, others. In many ways, it was and is a very noble enterprise.
Boris Johnson: (23:14)
I don’t recognize that the kind of language that you talk of. I think that the UK’s own relationship with it was always difficult. We always found some of the language about ever closer union, the idea of this political union, this very dense idea of this ideology of endless integration. We found quite hard, George. And I think you know, as a fellow Brussels reporter, you’ll remember that there was quite a lot of friction involved. I think that what we’ve got here is the basis of a new long-term friendship and partnership that basically stabilizes that relationship and in so far as the UK needs to be and always must be a great European power, always must be a great…
(24:03)
… always must be a great European power, always must be a great, great European power. We’re there outside the main body of the EU, but we’re there as a friend and as a supporter, as a flying buttress, if you like that, to make sure, as we have done so many times in the last couple of hundred years, that we’re able to lend our voice when it’s needed, and to be of value to our European friends and partners in a strategic way. And that’s what the UK will obviously continue to do.
(24:32)
But I think the very dense program of integration wasn’t right for the UK, and that’s why it was right to take back control in the way that we have. And I think that this deal expresses what the people of the country voted for in 2016. And I think there was a wisdom in what they decided, and I think that we’ll be able to go forward on this basis. Let’s go to Gordon Rayner of the Telegraph.
Gordon Rayner: (25:03)
Thank you, Prime Minister, and Merry Christmas for tomorrow. Could I just ask… Probably half the people watching this right now would have voted “remain” in the referendum in 2016. Do you have a particular message for them? People today are tweeting that this is a bad deal, that it’s not what they wanted. They would rather have stayed in. What’s your message to them? And just, secondly, could I also ask you… We’ve had more figures today on COVID. You mentioned COVID earlier. Can you rule out another national lockdown after Christmas?
Boris Johnson: (25:38)
Gordon, thanks. I think my message to everybody on both sides of the divide, of that argument in 2016, is I really think it’s now a long time behind us. And I think most people that I talk to, whichever way they were inclined to vote back then, just want it settled and want us to move on. And I think this gives us the platform, the foundation, for a really prosperous new relationship. And I would be very excited by this deal. This European question has been going on for decades, exactly what relationship we should have. This is a great, new, free-trade deal, a trading relationship and partnership that I think will bring prosperity to both sides of the Channel.
(26:28)
And on coronavirus and the struggle there, obviously, we face very considerable new pressures, particularly from the new variant and the speed with which that’s been spreading. We believe that we’re going to have to get through this tough period, now, with, as I say, as I’ve said many times, very tough restrictions with tough tiering. And you’d have seen what’s been announced over the last day or so, about that. And much as I regret that, I do think it is necessary for us to grip this virus now, to stop it running out of control in January, because we need to buy ourselves time to get the vaccine into as many arms of the elderly and vulnerable as we can.
(27:27)
And that is the real way in which we will defeat the virus. So it’s tough tiering, community testing, and rolling out the vaccine. And we’re going to continue with that approach. And I know that it’s been very, very tough over the last few weeks. And I must tell people, it will continue to be difficult, not least, but basically because of the speed with which the new variant is spreading. But the vaccine is going into people’s arms. And there really is, now, I think, hope, certainty, that we will have it defeated, as I say, by the spring. Or that’s certainly what the scientists still believe, and they’re still confident of that. So thanks very much, Gordon. Let’s go to Harry Cole of the Sun.
Harry Cole: (28:23)
Thank you, Prime Minister. Can you give us some more details about these new security arrangements with the EU? Are we going to be as safe next week, under your new security partnership, as we are today, giving that Brussels are saying that they’re going to lock us out of live EU databases? And given you’ve locked us all up, how will you recommend we celebrate leaving the EU next week?
Boris Johnson: (28:46)
Well, Harry, I leave your manner of celebration entirely to you and to individual tastes. I think we’ve done quite enough bossing people around, recommending this or that, over the last 10 months or so. But on security and police cooperation, I’m absolutely confident this is a deal that protects our police corporation. It protects our ability to catch criminals and to share intelligence across the European continent in the way that we have done for many years. So I don’t think people should have fears on that score or, indeed, on any score. Let’s go to Heather Stewart of The Guardian.
Heather Stewart: (29:37)
Hello, Prime Minister. Michel Barnier said today that we decided to leave the Erasmus exchange scheme, which sent thousands of students to EU countries, every year. I wonder what you’d say to young people who feel as though opportunities to discover the continent our doorstep, by living there or studying there or working there, are being taken away from them? And secondly, just do you have a message for Keir Starmer, who’ll have to decide, in the coming hours and days, how to whip Labor MPs, whether they should support your deal?
Boris Johnson: (30:07)
Right. Heather, well, look, on Erasmus, it was a tough decision. The issue really was that, as you know, the UK is a massive net contributor to the continent’s higher education economy because, over the last decades, we’ve had so many EU nationals, which we’ve… It’s been a wonderful thing, but our arrangements basically mean that, financially, the UK Exchequer, more or less, loses out on the deal. Erasmus was also extremely expensive. So what we’re doing is producing a UK scheme for students to go around the world, and it will be called the Turing Scheme, named after Alan Turing. So the students might have the opportunity not just to go to European universities, but to go to the best universities in the world, because we want our young people to experience the immense intellectual stimulation of Europe, but also of the whole world.
(31:13)
And as for… I think you asked about which way should the opposition vote on this? Well, it’s perfectly obvious. Head of the opposition should vote for this excellent deal. And I would strongly encourage everybody to do the same. Thank you very much, everybody. Happy Christmas to you all. Thank you.
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Thank you, Prime Minister. You Mentioned the change that will happen at the border in any event on January the first. I just wondered if there was anything in this deal where the two sides have agreed to introduce some sort of flexibility at the border, to make sure we don’t have chaos in Dover and Kelly on January the first. Second more general points, you and I used to be reporters in Brussels, and we’ve covered the psychodrama of British EU relations for a number of decades. Nigel Farage said today that the war is over. I just wondered if you saw it in those terms.
Boris Johnson: (22:13)
No. First of all on the border and measures, too, there are all sorts of things in the treaty that you will recognize about trusted traders, schemes, and special measures on the sanitary and phytosanitary recognition and steps to make sure that things flow as smoothly as we possibly can, though again, I stress that there will be things that people have to do. Look, I mean, the EU was and is an extraordinary concept. It was born out of the agony of the second world war, founded by idealistic people in France and Germany, and Italy, who never wanted those countries to go to war with each other again, and other countries, Belgium, Holland, others. In many ways, it was and is a very noble enterprise.
Boris Johnson: (23:14)
I don’t recognize that the kind of language that you talk of. I think that the UK’s own relationship with it was always difficult. We always found some of the language about ever closer union, the idea of this political union, this very dense idea of this ideology of endless integration. We found quite hard, George. And I think you know, as a fellow Brussels reporter, you’ll remember that there was quite a lot of friction involved. I think that what we’ve got here is the basis of a new long-term friendship and partnership that basically stabilizes that relationship and in so far as the UK needs to be and always must be a great European power, always must be a great…
(24:03)
… always must be a great European power, always must be a great, great European power. We’re there outside the main body of the EU, but we’re there as a friend and as a supporter, as a flying buttress, if you like that, to make sure, as we have done so many times in the last couple of hundred years, that we’re able to lend our voice when it’s needed, and to be of value to our European friends and partners in a strategic way. And that’s what the UK will obviously continue to do.
(24:32)
But I think the very dense program of integration wasn’t right for the UK, and that’s why it was right to take back control in the way that we have. And I think that this deal expresses what the people of the country voted for in 2016. And I think there was a wisdom in what they decided, and I think that we’ll be able to go forward on this basis. Let’s go to Gordon Rayner of the Telegraph.
Gordon Rayner: (25:03)
Thank you, Prime Minister, and Merry Christmas for tomorrow. Could I just ask… Probably half the people watching this right now would have voted “remain” in the referendum in 2016. Do you have a particular message for them? People today are tweeting that this is a bad deal, that it’s not what they wanted. They would rather have stayed in. What’s your message to them? And just, secondly, could I also ask you… We’ve had more figures today on COVID. You mentioned COVID earlier. Can you rule out another national lockdown after Christmas?
Boris Johnson: (25:38)
Gordon, thanks. I think my message to everybody on both sides of the divide, of that argument in 2016, is I really think it’s now a long time behind us. And I think most people that I talk to, whichever way they were inclined to vote back then, just want it settled and want us to move on. And I think this gives us the platform, the foundation, for a really prosperous new relationship. And I would be very excited by this deal. This European question has been going on for decades, exactly what relationship we should have. This is a great, new, free-trade deal, a trading relationship and partnership that I think will bring prosperity to both sides of the Channel.
(26:28)
And on coronavirus and the struggle there, obviously, we face very considerable new pressures, particularly from the new variant and the speed with which that’s been spreading. We believe that we’re going to have to get through this tough period, now, with, as I say, as I’ve said many times, very tough restrictions with tough tiering. And you’d have seen what’s been announced over the last day or so, about that. And much as I regret that, I do think it is necessary for us to grip this virus now, to stop it running out of control in January, because we need to buy ourselves time to get the vaccine into as many arms of the elderly and vulnerable as we can.
(27:27)
And that is the real way in which we will defeat the virus. So it’s tough tiering, community testing, and rolling out the vaccine. And we’re going to continue with that approach. And I know that it’s been very, very tough over the last few weeks. And I must tell people, it will continue to be difficult, not least, but basically because of the speed with which the new variant is spreading. But the vaccine is going into people’s arms. And there really is, now, I think, hope, certainty, that we will have it defeated, as I say, by the spring. Or that’s certainly what the scientists still believe, and they’re still confident of that. So thanks very much, Gordon. Let’s go to Harry Cole of the Sun.
Harry Cole: (28:23)
Thank you, Prime Minister. Can you give us some more details about these new security arrangements with the EU? Are we going to be as safe next week, under your new security partnership, as we are today, giving that Brussels are saying that they’re going to lock us out of live EU databases? And given you’ve locked us all up, how will you recommend we celebrate leaving the EU next week?
Boris Johnson: (28:46)
Well, Harry, I leave your manner of celebration entirely to you and to individual tastes. I think we’ve done quite enough bossing people around, recommending this or that, over the last 10 months or so. But on security and police cooperation, I’m absolutely confident this is a deal that protects our police corporation. It protects our ability to catch criminals and to share intelligence across the European continent in the way that we have done for many years. So I don’t think people should have fears on that score or, indeed, on any score. Let’s go to Heather Stewart of The Guardian.
Heather Stewart: (29:37)
Hello, Prime Minister. Michel Barnier said today that we decided to leave the Erasmus exchange scheme, which sent thousands of students to EU countries, every year. I wonder what you’d say to young people who feel as though opportunities to discover the continent our doorstep, by living there or studying there or working there, are being taken away from them? And secondly, just do you have a message for Keir Starmer, who’ll have to decide, in the coming hours and days, how to whip Labor MPs, whether they should support your deal?
Boris Johnson: (30:07)
Right. Heather, well, look, on Erasmus, it was a tough decision. The issue really was that, as you know, the UK is a massive net contributor to the continent’s higher education economy because, over the last decades, we’ve had so many EU nationals, which we’ve… It’s been a wonderful thing, but our arrangements basically mean that, financially, the UK Exchequer, more or less, loses out on the deal. Erasmus was also extremely expensive. So what we’re doing is producing a UK scheme for students to go around the world, and it will be called the Turing Scheme, named after Alan Turing. So the students might have the opportunity not just to go to European universities, but to go to the best universities in the world, because we want our young people to experience the immense intellectual stimulation of Europe, but also of the whole world.
(31:13)
And as for… I think you asked about which way should the opposition vote on this? Well, it’s perfectly obvious. Head of the opposition should vote for this excellent deal. And I would strongly encourage everybody to do the same. Thank you very much, everybody. Happy Christmas to you all. Thank you.
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