Jessica Gavin: (28:44)
To be honest, you look around, you can’t even celebrate with some family members because we have lost them due to COVID. COVID has really changed everyone’s world. I can’t call my aunt and ask her what she wants for Christmas, because COVID has taken her life, as well as other family members and union members and friends. I hope this vaccine actually do help. I hope that we can get back to work and I pray that our government actually put in protocols and procedures for working people with COVID around. Because the worst thing about COVID, even if we do go back to work and someone catches it, or someone in the crew catches it, now we all have to quarantine. Now we’re out of work again for 14 days.
(29:35)
There’s no relief or aid for working people when they’re sent home and quarantine due to COVID. Now maybe I have to stay in a hotel or maybe my family has to go somewhere else. All of this stuff costs money, all of this costs money, everything costs money. Then not only that, we don’t have health insurance, a lot of us, and if you do have health insurance, how long will you have it? There’s a lot of questions and concerns behind COVID, especially for working people. Again, my biggest concern is a relief for working people. You’re going to take care of us while we’re not working, but when we go back to work, will we still have relief? Because you have a lot of billion dollar corporate corporations that are not concerned about the health of working people. Some of us wish we would never see these days, but we are seeing them. We have to do something. President-elect, I’m so sorry that you had to come in during this time. I really wish you could just have one year election within a good time, but we trust you, the American people trust you, unions trust you, working people’s trust you, and Vice President Harris, I hope all of this could just work out in our favor. But we trust you and hopefully we can all come to some type of conclusion.
Joe Biden: (31:11)
Well, let me start by saying, I’m going to be completely blunt with you and frank, about what’s available, what’s not, what should be and what shouldn’t be. To state the obvious, my ability to get you help immediately does not exist. I’m not even in office for another 50 days and then I have to get legislation passed through the United States Congress to get things done. But I can lay out what I want to do. Let me tell you what I think should be done in the meantime. Number one, there is what they call this lame duck session, a fancy word for saying the administration has changed, the Congress has changed, but the people who were there the past two years remain there until January 21st, when I would…
(32:03)
Remain there until January 21st, when I would take office, after being sworn in on January 20th. There’s been an attempt to be able to provide for help, in the meantime. One of my greatest concerns has been the failure to deal with COVID to begin with. Had we taken the action we should have taken back in late January, February, March, and April, to deal with the disease, the disease which the president said would go away, “It will go away by Easter. When the hot weather comes, it may be gone. Don’t worry about it. It’s going to be like a miracle, it’s going to go away.” None of that was true to begin with. And it was all designed, in my view, to make sure that it didn’t spook the stock market, which doesn’t affect a lot of you unless you have a 401k and even then it doesn’t affect you that much. And so we didn’t do the things that had to be done in order to be able to protect people’s lives, and to dampen down, flatten out this curve, and begin to make real progress on getting rid of the disease.
(33:17)
At the bottom rung, that still is a single most consequential thing that has to be done. We could provide all the aid in the world, and your restaurants aren’t going to be good and open unless people decide they’re all going to show up anyway and get COVID, if they’re in close proximity to one another. And the States are not going to be able to fund the school crossing guards, which are essential workers, and the teachers, and the first responders, the cops, the firefighters, the EMTs, et cetera, because the cities have to balance their budgets, and the good smart thing about our founders, although it was over 200 years ago, that’s why they allowed the federal government to deficit spend. That is, in moments of crisis, to be able to spend money on the [inaudible 00:02:09], so that in fact, we could get the economy moving again, which has happened in every great recession that we’ve had.
(34:18)
But what happened is that we’re now in a situation where the Congress and these CARES Acts that they passed, they passed a couple of trillion dollars worth of help. And one of the big problems was that help went to a lot of people who didn’t need the help; the PPP, and the PPE, the equipment went to places that were doing pretty well. They didn’t go to the people who badly needed it early on. Some of it did, but not nearly what it should have. And I think your experience Dan, was that first time you went for the PPP loan, you went to a major bank and they decided they weren’t going to fund it. If I’m not mistaken.
Speaker 2: (35:03)That’s right sir. That’s correct.
Joe Biden: (35:04)
Well, you may remember because you seem to be attuned with what’s going on in the news, I argued that that was going to happen because the big banks, even though they weren’t liable for any of this money, they were getting it, we bailed them out in the past, you know? They’re being held harmless. It was too much trouble to take the time to lend it. They’d ask you, “Do you have a credit card with us? Do you have an account with us? Have you borrowed with us before? Or do you have a system?” And by the time you get answers to all that, the answer is basically, “No, we’re not going to lend to you,” and you’re in trouble. You’re already behind the eight ball.
(35:39)
And so first point of this is that I think that the Congress they’re trying like the devil, there was a bipartisan effort it’s been happening now, time and again, a bipartisan effort that came forward about three, four or five days ago, that called for instead of the $1.6 trillion at the House thought, I think is 1.6, Cecilia, I can’t remember the exact number, in the new bill that they passed. “New,” back in May they passed it. And they finally decided, they negotiated something for about 900 billion. Wouldn’t be the answer, but it’d bring immediate help for a lot of things quickly. But what happened was the president said he wouldn’t support it, and apparently Republicans in the Congress, the Senate said they wouldn’t support it. So it’s now back to square one again. And what our friends seem to be focusing most on is liability. Guaranteed, there’s no liability for businesses if in fact they open, anything happens.
(36:57)
And anyway, it’s a long story, but here’s the deal; one of the things that we think should happen and continue is that no-one should be evicted from their apartment or their home for being able to fail, to be able to pay their rent and/or their mortgage until this crisis is over. And it should be funded, that should be held up. Now, you can’t deny the apartment owner, he or she’s not have just pockets that are so deep they can afford to pay everything and not have anything, so it was supposed to be paid for. Paid for, not a loan, to be paid for in a crisis. This is a national crisis. This is a national crisis that we’re facing, and it affects the entire economy. So the first thing is rent, and you just your housing, your basic housing, are you able to maintain without being worried you’re going to be getting notice you’re thrown out in the street.
(38:03)
Number two, and if you’re fortunate enough to own your home, that’s a different thing or own your condominium, that’s a different thing. Second thing is that there was a proposal we put forward that suggested that already over 10 million people have lost their health insurance because their businesses went out of business. So the business can’t pay anybody, the business is out of business. So it’s basically bankrupt. So they’re not able to participate in paying for that. And so that’s a lot of wonky language, but there was a proposal to said that we would, in fact, the federal government, pay the share that the business used to pay for the employee, so they could keep that health insurance policy they had, and until things got better.
(39:06)
Thirdly, we find that the president is still in court, trying to strip away all of healthcare from the Affordable Care Act, just flat, eliminate it, all get rid of it all. It’s deadly wrong. I think not only should we keep it, we should be adding to it, providing for a public option, a Medicare option if you chose that, if you can’t afford to buy in, then you’re in a situation where you get Medicare, Medicaid, if you’re eligible for Medicaid and your state doesn’t provide it, you get it for free, period. And so there’s two ways to deal with healthcare. One is to supplement the businesses that are going out of business, or can’t afford to keep their health insurance for their employees. And secondly, to make sure we make it a lot easier to buy into the Affordable Healthcare Act and get more coverage with a lot cheaper, with drug prices coming down substantially, as well as making sure that there’s a Medicaid option, a Medicare option in the healthcare plan. That’s what I ran on. That’s the one of the reasons I think I got the nomination. And so that’s going to be one of my first efforts as well when I get elected, it’s not going to happen between now and then. Third thing that it seems to me, is the unemployment with their $600 kick in is really important. It’s the thing that allows people to stay above water, give some sense of security. It’s not like there’s a lot of jobs you’re going to go do. Like, “Oh you’re sitting home being lazy.” Well, where the heck are you going to go get a job? Every one of you, if there are another job out there that could pay you something, be out applying for it. But it just makes no sense. But it’s some of our very conservative friends think that, the same people who think you should have to, if you need what used to be called, “Food stamps,” you should have to work to be able to do [inaudible 00:41:14], I mean, come on, we’re way beyond that.
(41:18)
And so there’s a number of things that could be done. And in terms of being able to open your restaurants, first of all, my deceased wife’s father was a restaurateur. After World War II he came home and became a very successful restaurateur. And I watched how hard he worked, and that made me realize I never want to be in the restaurant business. You think I’m joking? You guys, men and women have to love it. It is a God awful thing. Especially if you have a 24 hour diner like my father-in-law had. Plus making sure that all those folks who had the contracts to serve the universities and their food system, what’s happening to them now? They’re all in trouble as well. There’s nothing there, because these universities are shutting down, and they’re all going virtual.
(42:13)
So we’ve got to provide for you the ability to open, and open safely, and there’s ways to do that, and it should not be a loan; it should be a guarantee. You should be in a position where you can have all that ventilation changed, all the dividers put up, all the social distancing that you need, and make sure that your staff is safe as well, both indoors and out. But it costs a lot of money to do that, and you should be able to get that money to be able to stay open, because it affects the ability of the economy to continue to grow. What people don’t realize is putting this money into the economy generates economic growth. It’s not just you have a debt; you do, but it generates so much growth when you’re a restaurant employees able to go out and buy a used car, you go out and make sure they can get their first apartment, make sure they can go out and purchase new clothing. It all relates to everybody else does better. So that’s why, for example, with my proposal, I know my Republican friends say everybody’s a big spending Democrat, well, the point is that even the Wall Street types, like [Moody’s 00:43:38] point out that my proposal would create 18.6 million new jobs, good paying jobs and would increase the economy by a trillion dollar economic growth.
(43:51)
So what’s though, and the big thing for [Laurie 00:00:43:56], and state workers is, one of the most important things we have to do is we have to deal with giving state and local governments assistance. You may remember, all but one of you are old enough to remember when we had the Great Recession in 2008, that we had Barack and I inherited from the last administration. It was the most significant recession in the history of the United States, short of a depression. And what happened was, we went out and the president of put me in charge of spending, we were able to convince three Republicans to change their votes, and we passed the bill, it turned out to be $84 billion that had to be spent in 18 months to keep the economy from crashing. It kept us from out of the depression. And by the way, even the conservative think tanks pointed out of less than 2/10th of 1% waste or fraud. I handle that on a daily basis every single day. I talked over 165 mayors I talked to every governor but one, on a constant basis about how they could spend the money. And what happened was it generated economic growth. People came back.
(45:09)
Well, that was federal money, and I’ll be out of that federal money, 147 billion, I was able to give to the States and the cities, who showed they had a need, because they are laying off permanently their teachers, their firefighters, their law enforcement officers, their first responders, shutting down local mental health clinics, shutting down small hospitals, and that all relates to people’s health, safety, and wellbeing.
(45:43)
And I guess the point is, the full Congress should come together and pass a robust package of relief to address your urgent needs now. That means extending unemployment insurance for Laurie, and Jessica and Karen, and the millions of Americans like them who’ve lost their jobs, or ours, through no fault of their own. And that’s going to help you put food on the table, and pay the bills. You’re going to make sure businesses like yours, Dan have the resources they need in addition to the guidance and health and safety standards to open safely. Open safely. And that will help businesses stay open, hire workers, like all of you. Thirdly, we have to provide States and cities, the funding. So workers like Laurie can go back to work as her job as school crossing guard, keeping children safe. And we have to make sure, fourthly, people came evicted from their homes because they can’t pay their rent or their mortgage payment during the pandemic.
(46:48)
This isn’t a political game. This impacts on people’s real lives, and families. It impacts on all of you, all of us, and we need to get help out the door as soon as we can. And Americans like you need relief now. So I’ve been urging our congressional Republicans to work on a bipartisan emergency package now, but any package passed in this so-called, “Lame duck” [inaudible 00:47:15] be now in January 21st, at best is only going to be a down payment on what’s going to happen early next year. My transition team is already working on what I will put forward the next Congress to address the multiple crises we’re facing, especially the economic crisis and COVID. Come January, the vice-president elect and I are going to fight every day for your families. That’s my commitment. And one of the things we don’t talk about is there is a profound increase, as you all know, in depression, profound increase, quite frankly, in suicide rates, a profound increase in increased drug abuse, a profound increase in, quite frankly, abuse against-
(48:03)
And quite frankly, abuse against women and children in households. And so there’s an awful lot of people, including our doctors and nurses, who need additional mental assistance. The doctors and nurses talking to me are telling me how many of them, when they’re in an operating room, or they’re critical care nurses, how many times can they hold the hand of person who’s dying, and hold they’re hand, and know that that woman or man can’t even talk to, can’t see, they may hold up a phone, their son, their daughter, their husband, their wife, their child. I mean, it’s one of those things that is profoundly destabilizing.
Joe Biden: (48:57)
And so there’s a lot we have to do to keep these people, keep them up. Now the only good… not the only one of them, good news pieces here is, and it really is, is that, as you probably have been reading, I, early on, put together a COVID taskforce of the most significant scientists in the area. I think there are… how many we have on it now? 23 members, something like that.
Speaker 3: (49:28)23, yes sir.
To be honest, you look around, you can’t even celebrate with some family members because we have lost them due to COVID. COVID has really changed everyone’s world. I can’t call my aunt and ask her what she wants for Christmas, because COVID has taken her life, as well as other family members and union members and friends. I hope this vaccine actually do help. I hope that we can get back to work and I pray that our government actually put in protocols and procedures for working people with COVID around. Because the worst thing about COVID, even if we do go back to work and someone catches it, or someone in the crew catches it, now we all have to quarantine. Now we’re out of work again for 14 days.
(29:35)
There’s no relief or aid for working people when they’re sent home and quarantine due to COVID. Now maybe I have to stay in a hotel or maybe my family has to go somewhere else. All of this stuff costs money, all of this costs money, everything costs money. Then not only that, we don’t have health insurance, a lot of us, and if you do have health insurance, how long will you have it? There’s a lot of questions and concerns behind COVID, especially for working people. Again, my biggest concern is a relief for working people. You’re going to take care of us while we’re not working, but when we go back to work, will we still have relief? Because you have a lot of billion dollar corporate corporations that are not concerned about the health of working people. Some of us wish we would never see these days, but we are seeing them. We have to do something. President-elect, I’m so sorry that you had to come in during this time. I really wish you could just have one year election within a good time, but we trust you, the American people trust you, unions trust you, working people’s trust you, and Vice President Harris, I hope all of this could just work out in our favor. But we trust you and hopefully we can all come to some type of conclusion.
Joe Biden: (31:11)
Well, let me start by saying, I’m going to be completely blunt with you and frank, about what’s available, what’s not, what should be and what shouldn’t be. To state the obvious, my ability to get you help immediately does not exist. I’m not even in office for another 50 days and then I have to get legislation passed through the United States Congress to get things done. But I can lay out what I want to do. Let me tell you what I think should be done in the meantime. Number one, there is what they call this lame duck session, a fancy word for saying the administration has changed, the Congress has changed, but the people who were there the past two years remain there until January 21st, when I would…
(32:03)
Remain there until January 21st, when I would take office, after being sworn in on January 20th. There’s been an attempt to be able to provide for help, in the meantime. One of my greatest concerns has been the failure to deal with COVID to begin with. Had we taken the action we should have taken back in late January, February, March, and April, to deal with the disease, the disease which the president said would go away, “It will go away by Easter. When the hot weather comes, it may be gone. Don’t worry about it. It’s going to be like a miracle, it’s going to go away.” None of that was true to begin with. And it was all designed, in my view, to make sure that it didn’t spook the stock market, which doesn’t affect a lot of you unless you have a 401k and even then it doesn’t affect you that much. And so we didn’t do the things that had to be done in order to be able to protect people’s lives, and to dampen down, flatten out this curve, and begin to make real progress on getting rid of the disease.
(33:17)
At the bottom rung, that still is a single most consequential thing that has to be done. We could provide all the aid in the world, and your restaurants aren’t going to be good and open unless people decide they’re all going to show up anyway and get COVID, if they’re in close proximity to one another. And the States are not going to be able to fund the school crossing guards, which are essential workers, and the teachers, and the first responders, the cops, the firefighters, the EMTs, et cetera, because the cities have to balance their budgets, and the good smart thing about our founders, although it was over 200 years ago, that’s why they allowed the federal government to deficit spend. That is, in moments of crisis, to be able to spend money on the [inaudible 00:02:09], so that in fact, we could get the economy moving again, which has happened in every great recession that we’ve had.
(34:18)
But what happened is that we’re now in a situation where the Congress and these CARES Acts that they passed, they passed a couple of trillion dollars worth of help. And one of the big problems was that help went to a lot of people who didn’t need the help; the PPP, and the PPE, the equipment went to places that were doing pretty well. They didn’t go to the people who badly needed it early on. Some of it did, but not nearly what it should have. And I think your experience Dan, was that first time you went for the PPP loan, you went to a major bank and they decided they weren’t going to fund it. If I’m not mistaken.
Speaker 2: (35:03)That’s right sir. That’s correct.
Joe Biden: (35:04)
Well, you may remember because you seem to be attuned with what’s going on in the news, I argued that that was going to happen because the big banks, even though they weren’t liable for any of this money, they were getting it, we bailed them out in the past, you know? They’re being held harmless. It was too much trouble to take the time to lend it. They’d ask you, “Do you have a credit card with us? Do you have an account with us? Have you borrowed with us before? Or do you have a system?” And by the time you get answers to all that, the answer is basically, “No, we’re not going to lend to you,” and you’re in trouble. You’re already behind the eight ball.
(35:39)
And so first point of this is that I think that the Congress they’re trying like the devil, there was a bipartisan effort it’s been happening now, time and again, a bipartisan effort that came forward about three, four or five days ago, that called for instead of the $1.6 trillion at the House thought, I think is 1.6, Cecilia, I can’t remember the exact number, in the new bill that they passed. “New,” back in May they passed it. And they finally decided, they negotiated something for about 900 billion. Wouldn’t be the answer, but it’d bring immediate help for a lot of things quickly. But what happened was the president said he wouldn’t support it, and apparently Republicans in the Congress, the Senate said they wouldn’t support it. So it’s now back to square one again. And what our friends seem to be focusing most on is liability. Guaranteed, there’s no liability for businesses if in fact they open, anything happens.
(36:57)
And anyway, it’s a long story, but here’s the deal; one of the things that we think should happen and continue is that no-one should be evicted from their apartment or their home for being able to fail, to be able to pay their rent and/or their mortgage until this crisis is over. And it should be funded, that should be held up. Now, you can’t deny the apartment owner, he or she’s not have just pockets that are so deep they can afford to pay everything and not have anything, so it was supposed to be paid for. Paid for, not a loan, to be paid for in a crisis. This is a national crisis. This is a national crisis that we’re facing, and it affects the entire economy. So the first thing is rent, and you just your housing, your basic housing, are you able to maintain without being worried you’re going to be getting notice you’re thrown out in the street.
(38:03)
Number two, and if you’re fortunate enough to own your home, that’s a different thing or own your condominium, that’s a different thing. Second thing is that there was a proposal we put forward that suggested that already over 10 million people have lost their health insurance because their businesses went out of business. So the business can’t pay anybody, the business is out of business. So it’s basically bankrupt. So they’re not able to participate in paying for that. And so that’s a lot of wonky language, but there was a proposal to said that we would, in fact, the federal government, pay the share that the business used to pay for the employee, so they could keep that health insurance policy they had, and until things got better.
(39:06)
Thirdly, we find that the president is still in court, trying to strip away all of healthcare from the Affordable Care Act, just flat, eliminate it, all get rid of it all. It’s deadly wrong. I think not only should we keep it, we should be adding to it, providing for a public option, a Medicare option if you chose that, if you can’t afford to buy in, then you’re in a situation where you get Medicare, Medicaid, if you’re eligible for Medicaid and your state doesn’t provide it, you get it for free, period. And so there’s two ways to deal with healthcare. One is to supplement the businesses that are going out of business, or can’t afford to keep their health insurance for their employees. And secondly, to make sure we make it a lot easier to buy into the Affordable Healthcare Act and get more coverage with a lot cheaper, with drug prices coming down substantially, as well as making sure that there’s a Medicaid option, a Medicare option in the healthcare plan. That’s what I ran on. That’s the one of the reasons I think I got the nomination. And so that’s going to be one of my first efforts as well when I get elected, it’s not going to happen between now and then. Third thing that it seems to me, is the unemployment with their $600 kick in is really important. It’s the thing that allows people to stay above water, give some sense of security. It’s not like there’s a lot of jobs you’re going to go do. Like, “Oh you’re sitting home being lazy.” Well, where the heck are you going to go get a job? Every one of you, if there are another job out there that could pay you something, be out applying for it. But it just makes no sense. But it’s some of our very conservative friends think that, the same people who think you should have to, if you need what used to be called, “Food stamps,” you should have to work to be able to do [inaudible 00:41:14], I mean, come on, we’re way beyond that.
(41:18)
And so there’s a number of things that could be done. And in terms of being able to open your restaurants, first of all, my deceased wife’s father was a restaurateur. After World War II he came home and became a very successful restaurateur. And I watched how hard he worked, and that made me realize I never want to be in the restaurant business. You think I’m joking? You guys, men and women have to love it. It is a God awful thing. Especially if you have a 24 hour diner like my father-in-law had. Plus making sure that all those folks who had the contracts to serve the universities and their food system, what’s happening to them now? They’re all in trouble as well. There’s nothing there, because these universities are shutting down, and they’re all going virtual.
(42:13)
So we’ve got to provide for you the ability to open, and open safely, and there’s ways to do that, and it should not be a loan; it should be a guarantee. You should be in a position where you can have all that ventilation changed, all the dividers put up, all the social distancing that you need, and make sure that your staff is safe as well, both indoors and out. But it costs a lot of money to do that, and you should be able to get that money to be able to stay open, because it affects the ability of the economy to continue to grow. What people don’t realize is putting this money into the economy generates economic growth. It’s not just you have a debt; you do, but it generates so much growth when you’re a restaurant employees able to go out and buy a used car, you go out and make sure they can get their first apartment, make sure they can go out and purchase new clothing. It all relates to everybody else does better. So that’s why, for example, with my proposal, I know my Republican friends say everybody’s a big spending Democrat, well, the point is that even the Wall Street types, like [Moody’s 00:43:38] point out that my proposal would create 18.6 million new jobs, good paying jobs and would increase the economy by a trillion dollar economic growth.
(43:51)
So what’s though, and the big thing for [Laurie 00:00:43:56], and state workers is, one of the most important things we have to do is we have to deal with giving state and local governments assistance. You may remember, all but one of you are old enough to remember when we had the Great Recession in 2008, that we had Barack and I inherited from the last administration. It was the most significant recession in the history of the United States, short of a depression. And what happened was, we went out and the president of put me in charge of spending, we were able to convince three Republicans to change their votes, and we passed the bill, it turned out to be $84 billion that had to be spent in 18 months to keep the economy from crashing. It kept us from out of the depression. And by the way, even the conservative think tanks pointed out of less than 2/10th of 1% waste or fraud. I handle that on a daily basis every single day. I talked over 165 mayors I talked to every governor but one, on a constant basis about how they could spend the money. And what happened was it generated economic growth. People came back.
(45:09)
Well, that was federal money, and I’ll be out of that federal money, 147 billion, I was able to give to the States and the cities, who showed they had a need, because they are laying off permanently their teachers, their firefighters, their law enforcement officers, their first responders, shutting down local mental health clinics, shutting down small hospitals, and that all relates to people’s health, safety, and wellbeing.
(45:43)
And I guess the point is, the full Congress should come together and pass a robust package of relief to address your urgent needs now. That means extending unemployment insurance for Laurie, and Jessica and Karen, and the millions of Americans like them who’ve lost their jobs, or ours, through no fault of their own. And that’s going to help you put food on the table, and pay the bills. You’re going to make sure businesses like yours, Dan have the resources they need in addition to the guidance and health and safety standards to open safely. Open safely. And that will help businesses stay open, hire workers, like all of you. Thirdly, we have to provide States and cities, the funding. So workers like Laurie can go back to work as her job as school crossing guard, keeping children safe. And we have to make sure, fourthly, people came evicted from their homes because they can’t pay their rent or their mortgage payment during the pandemic.
(46:48)
This isn’t a political game. This impacts on people’s real lives, and families. It impacts on all of you, all of us, and we need to get help out the door as soon as we can. And Americans like you need relief now. So I’ve been urging our congressional Republicans to work on a bipartisan emergency package now, but any package passed in this so-called, “Lame duck” [inaudible 00:47:15] be now in January 21st, at best is only going to be a down payment on what’s going to happen early next year. My transition team is already working on what I will put forward the next Congress to address the multiple crises we’re facing, especially the economic crisis and COVID. Come January, the vice-president elect and I are going to fight every day for your families. That’s my commitment. And one of the things we don’t talk about is there is a profound increase, as you all know, in depression, profound increase, quite frankly, in suicide rates, a profound increase in increased drug abuse, a profound increase in, quite frankly, abuse against-
(48:03)
And quite frankly, abuse against women and children in households. And so there’s an awful lot of people, including our doctors and nurses, who need additional mental assistance. The doctors and nurses talking to me are telling me how many of them, when they’re in an operating room, or they’re critical care nurses, how many times can they hold the hand of person who’s dying, and hold they’re hand, and know that that woman or man can’t even talk to, can’t see, they may hold up a phone, their son, their daughter, their husband, their wife, their child. I mean, it’s one of those things that is profoundly destabilizing.
Joe Biden: (48:57)
And so there’s a lot we have to do to keep these people, keep them up. Now the only good… not the only one of them, good news pieces here is, and it really is, is that, as you probably have been reading, I, early on, put together a COVID taskforce of the most significant scientists in the area. I think there are… how many we have on it now? 23 members, something like that.
Speaker 3: (49:28)23, yes sir.
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