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Ishihara presumed that this one professor was a foreigner because of his name. Ishihara went further and called him "a strange, cocky foreigner." We're talking about a professor at the University of Tokyo. In fact, he _was_ born and raised in Japan. He doesn't have a Japanese citizenship only because he is a "zai-nichi" (Korean-Japanese).
For those who voted for and/or support Ishihara, I'd genuinely like to know what makes you believe in a f***head like him.
Ishihara presumed that this one professor was a foreigner because of his name. Ishihara went further and called him "a strange, cocky foreigner." We're talking about a professor at the University of Tokyo. In fact, he _was_ born and raised in Japan. He doesn't have a Japanese citizenship only because he is a "zai-nichi" (Korean-Japanese).
For those who voted for and/or support Ishihara, I'd genuinely like to know what makes you believe in a f***head like him.
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安藝: have you ever seen tens of butt naked homeless men bathing in the water fountain in shinjuku chuo koen? i don't think kids and women have to have guilt to feel uncomfortable seeing such scene.
You're so totally right! The homless people should go bathe in the deluxe Jaccuzzi and spa park that's been built especially for them... right, sorry I forgot, Sarcasm doesn't work in Japan.
The children don't bear any responcibility, but last I checked women were allowed to vote, so if they have a problem with seeing homeless people bathe (and thereby avoid life-threatening diseases and increse their chances of getting a job and not being homeless anymore) well, there IS something they can do about it.
You're so totally right! The homless people should go bathe in the deluxe Jaccuzzi and spa park that's been built especially for them... right, sorry I forgot, Sarcasm doesn't work in Japan.
The children don't bear any responcibility, but last I checked women were allowed to vote, so if they have a problem with seeing homeless people bathe (and thereby avoid life-threatening diseases and increse their chances of getting a job and not being homeless anymore) well, there IS something they can do about it.
だいはど = I don't know politicts in Japan but I just like to observe reality and since friends that are half japanese and half german or italian and got the japanese passport being considered gaijin in Japan I don't think that the governor attitude is way different than average japanese citizen...
Sergio = Ishihara in Europe would be considered a fascist and he would have been forced to recing after an "outing" like he made (thats reality not a judgment of his policts), but anyway I definitely like his policy of supporting ANIME (he sponsors TAF) and I hope he will not support Kanda police pissing off otakus cosplaing and doing live gigs in Akiba on sundays...
... I know I'm studpi!! ^_^
Sergio = Ishihara in Europe would be considered a fascist and he would have been forced to recing after an "outing" like he made (thats reality not a judgment of his policts), but anyway I definitely like his policy of supporting ANIME (he sponsors TAF) and I hope he will not support Kanda police pissing off otakus cosplaing and doing live gigs in Akiba on sundays...
... I know I'm studpi!! ^_^
> aki
ditto.
it's sad a crazy people like だいはど highjacked this thread and are preventing constructive discussions by ruling/trashing whatever rational opinions other people may have. i hate when guys like him tries achieve his goals by a) always say no to everything*, b) taking a few words out of the context and amplify them, and c) never give out straight answers to questions.
this thread used to be a lot more interesting with many more interesting (and some famous) people expressing different views and opinions. they are all gone now, disgusted by such sophomoric act against free speech. shame on you だいはど.
(* in case you guys don't know: ishihara was, and still is, one of the most successful post-war authors in japan. one of his best seller essays is, ironically, "Japan That Can Say NO!")
ditto.
it's sad a crazy people like だいはど highjacked this thread and are preventing constructive discussions by ruling/trashing whatever rational opinions other people may have. i hate when guys like him tries achieve his goals by a) always say no to everything*, b) taking a few words out of the context and amplify them, and c) never give out straight answers to questions.
this thread used to be a lot more interesting with many more interesting (and some famous) people expressing different views and opinions. they are all gone now, disgusted by such sophomoric act against free speech. shame on you だいはど.
(* in case you guys don't know: ishihara was, and still is, one of the most successful post-war authors in japan. one of his best seller essays is, ironically, "Japan That Can Say NO!")
Frankie,
I wouldn't doubt that Ishihara would be treated like that in Europe. It'd be the same here in the U.S. What you said about the average Japanese citizens may be true, which would be sad but explain why we get some interesting replies here.
安藝,
Maybe you can tell me, then, how voting for a racist/sexist governor is not equal to considering it okay to have a racist/sexist governor. That's really the only question I've been asking you.
Kyle,
I started the thread myself, on the premise that Ishihara was a terrible racist. Making and reinforcing that same point would not be exactly "hijacking," would it? :)
I wouldn't doubt that Ishihara would be treated like that in Europe. It'd be the same here in the U.S. What you said about the average Japanese citizens may be true, which would be sad but explain why we get some interesting replies here.
安藝,
Maybe you can tell me, then, how voting for a racist/sexist governor is not equal to considering it okay to have a racist/sexist governor. That's really the only question I've been asking you.
Kyle,
I started the thread myself, on the premise that Ishihara was a terrible racist. Making and reinforcing that same point would not be exactly "hijacking," would it? :)
だいはど > One more point is that Ishihara said that about a Korean so I feel 90% of japanese people consider OK what he said... I love Japan but this country seems stucked in a pre WW2 attitude toward neighbourood countries and cultures... (and no I don't really like korean culture, but this doesn't mean I support any racism against that country...)
>Ishihara has done good things and bad things but who can't accept that in this case he is wrong got a problem (or simply: he is plain racist...)
Thats something I hate of politics everywhere:
for example, you for for Bush and he is right even when he bombs a country that never had any intention to arm you country, if you voted against him you say that Bush is always WRONG!!
Maybe I made a bad example, cause Bush is easily an example of 90% wrong doing... ^_^, but what I would like to say is: why people involved in politics start with an open and intelligent mind and end up being blind followers who denies even the most obvious facts?!
アナスタシア > the most revolting escene I see in Tokyo (not appening in other areas of Japan with the same %) are the drunked Salariman who trowout everywhere...
washing his own ass denotes a care for igene among homeless / puking out denotes being totally undeducated... so who is worse?! Why Ishihara don't act strong against these parasites? I don't want to catch the Yamanote and see that smelly saliman shit sitting near me...
Anyway I don't like non otaku going to Akiba so Ishihara should forbid normal people to come in our area... I'm disgusted to watch people walking in Akiba with any intention to buy our goods... they don't support otaku industry so they are useless!!
Why should I/we respect them?! They illegally invade our area and create emarass among OTAKUs!!!
... I'm stupid!! ^_^
>Ishihara has done good things and bad things but who can't accept that in this case he is wrong got a problem (or simply: he is plain racist...)
Thats something I hate of politics everywhere:
for example, you for for Bush and he is right even when he bombs a country that never had any intention to arm you country, if you voted against him you say that Bush is always WRONG!!
Maybe I made a bad example, cause Bush is easily an example of 90% wrong doing... ^_^, but what I would like to say is: why people involved in politics start with an open and intelligent mind and end up being blind followers who denies even the most obvious facts?!
アナスタシア > the most revolting escene I see in Tokyo (not appening in other areas of Japan with the same %) are the drunked Salariman who trowout everywhere...
washing his own ass denotes a care for igene among homeless / puking out denotes being totally undeducated... so who is worse?! Why Ishihara don't act strong against these parasites? I don't want to catch the Yamanote and see that smelly saliman shit sitting near me...
Anyway I don't like non otaku going to Akiba so Ishihara should forbid normal people to come in our area... I'm disgusted to watch people walking in Akiba with any intention to buy our goods... they don't support otaku industry so they are useless!!
Why should I/we respect them?! They illegally invade our area and create emarass among OTAKUs!!!
... I'm stupid!! ^_^
> だいはど
ditto.
it's sad a crazy people like Kyle highjacked this thread and are preventing constructive discussions by ruling/trashing whatever rational opinions other people may have. i hate when guys like him tries achieve his goals by a) always say no to everything*, b) taking a few words out of the context and amplify them, and c) never give out straight answers to questions.
this thread used to be a lot more interesting with many more interesting (and some famous) people expressing different views and opinions. they are all gone now, disgusted by such sophomoric act against free speech. shame on you Kyle.
you see, it's all very subjective.
ditto.
it's sad a crazy people like Kyle highjacked this thread and are preventing constructive discussions by ruling/trashing whatever rational opinions other people may have. i hate when guys like him tries achieve his goals by a) always say no to everything*, b) taking a few words out of the context and amplify them, and c) never give out straight answers to questions.
this thread used to be a lot more interesting with many more interesting (and some famous) people expressing different views and opinions. they are all gone now, disgusted by such sophomoric act against free speech. shame on you Kyle.
you see, it's all very subjective.
>ale
Cool！
Deep down, I don't support Ishihara because of his
political tactics as well as his mindset.
As a politician, he is OK since he ought to speak out
loud and open his opinion. But as a governer, He ought
to be a bit more moderate. (like in a presentation to
be Japanese candidate as a host city in 2016 olympic)
The problem is, Ishihara realizes what he's going to say
and dares to say something controversial not only in
TV debates but in official situations.
Cool！
Deep down, I don't support Ishihara because of his
political tactics as well as his mindset.
As a politician, he is OK since he ought to speak out
loud and open his opinion. But as a governer, He ought
to be a bit more moderate. (like in a presentation to
be Japanese candidate as a host city in 2016 olympic)
The problem is, Ishihara realizes what he's going to say
and dares to say something controversial not only in
TV debates but in official situations.
I think the point that many here who criticise Ishihara are trying to make is that its shocking and disappointing to see open racism by those holding high political office considered acceptable, and even supported.
This is the most revolting aspect of Ishihara as governor. For sure, he has achieved some good things - banning diesel trucks from within Tokyo has undoubted increased the quality of the air here in a short time.
Be that as it may, it is unacceptable in democratic society for elected politicians to make blatantly racist & discriminatory statements.
This is why the UN condemned Japan & Ishihara, when their special reporter on discrimination, Doudou Diene, visited japan earlier this year.
Ishihara, of course, refused to meet him. If you're interested you can read his report on racism in japan here:
http://www.imadr.org/geneva/2006/G0610396.pdf
(pdf file 100K)
Japan has hopes of a permanent seat on the security council, but clearly if it finds hate speech from major politicians acceptable, it has a long way to go.
This is the most revolting aspect of Ishihara as governor. For sure, he has achieved some good things - banning diesel trucks from within Tokyo has undoubted increased the quality of the air here in a short time.
Be that as it may, it is unacceptable in democratic society for elected politicians to make blatantly racist & discriminatory statements.
This is why the UN condemned Japan & Ishihara, when their special reporter on discrimination, Doudou Diene, visited japan earlier this year.
Ishihara, of course, refused to meet him. If you're interested you can read his report on racism in japan here:
http://www.imadr.org/geneva/2006/G0610396.pdf
(pdf file 100K)
Japan has hopes of a permanent seat on the security council, but clearly if it finds hate speech from major politicians acceptable, it has a long way to go.
だいはど
I have to agree with Kyle. Why do you always have to take other people's words out of the context and use them for vicious attacks? Just because they have different opinions from yours? Does it make you feel good? Or is this the way you were brought up?
And tell me: What part of "It's called politics. We vote for the better, not necessarily always for the best" do you not understand?
Voting for a governor who happens to be perceived as racist/sexist by some is indeed NOT equal to considering it okay to have a racist/sexist governor.
Roughly 95% of the members of the Japanese Parliament and the United States Congress do not have the perfect voting record. According to your logic, that means 95% of the Japanese and American voters chose them specifically thinking that it is okay for their congressperson/senator to skip the sessions and miss the votes. That's ridiculous.
If someone runs for the office, claiming himself as racist/sexist and promising racial/sexual discrimination, then anyone who would vote for him should be also considered racist/sexist.
If you still don't understand this, I suggest you come to my high school and take Social Studies 101.
And, please, do not take any of my words out of the context. It's about the time you stopped being like a child and start learning to say something like "Although I don't agree with you, I understand what you mean."
アナスタシア
You may have a good point there.
安藝
I know you'll never speak for yourself, so I will (please don't get mad at me): Back in the early 90s, when the economy was hitting the rock bottom and the Tokyo streets were filled with homeless people, you volunteered for homeless rescue organizations and delivered/served hot meals on the street corners whenever your time allowed. It was indeed a pleasure working with you.
I have to agree with Kyle. Why do you always have to take other people's words out of the context and use them for vicious attacks? Just because they have different opinions from yours? Does it make you feel good? Or is this the way you were brought up?
And tell me: What part of "It's called politics. We vote for the better, not necessarily always for the best" do you not understand?
Voting for a governor who happens to be perceived as racist/sexist by some is indeed NOT equal to considering it okay to have a racist/sexist governor.
Roughly 95% of the members of the Japanese Parliament and the United States Congress do not have the perfect voting record. According to your logic, that means 95% of the Japanese and American voters chose them specifically thinking that it is okay for their congressperson/senator to skip the sessions and miss the votes. That's ridiculous.
If someone runs for the office, claiming himself as racist/sexist and promising racial/sexual discrimination, then anyone who would vote for him should be also considered racist/sexist.
If you still don't understand this, I suggest you come to my high school and take Social Studies 101.
And, please, do not take any of my words out of the context. It's about the time you stopped being like a child and start learning to say something like "Although I don't agree with you, I understand what you mean."
アナスタシア
You may have a good point there.
安藝
I know you'll never speak for yourself, so I will (please don't get mad at me): Back in the early 90s, when the economy was hitting the rock bottom and the Tokyo streets were filled with homeless people, you volunteered for homeless rescue organizations and delivered/served hot meals on the street corners whenever your time allowed. It was indeed a pleasure working with you.
Uncle Arthur,
I find it interesting that you think I take some posters' words "out of the context" and bash them for those words. Maybe you can show me exactly where and how I did that.
>> Voting for a governor who happens to be perceived as
>> racist/sexist by some is indeed NOT equal to considering
>> it okay to have a racist/sexist governor.
You're the first one that explicitly stated that those voters in fact might not consider Ishihara a racist/sexist. If they in fact voted for Ishihara without knowing his true colours, then yes, I agree that their voting for him does not equal them considering it okay to have a racist/sexist governor. That much I understand.
Of course, that doesn't make me feel any better. Given Ishihara's track records, I find it very hard not to see his discriminatory nature.
I find it interesting that you think I take some posters' words "out of the context" and bash them for those words. Maybe you can show me exactly where and how I did that.
>> Voting for a governor who happens to be perceived as
>> racist/sexist by some is indeed NOT equal to considering
>> it okay to have a racist/sexist governor.
You're the first one that explicitly stated that those voters in fact might not consider Ishihara a racist/sexist. If they in fact voted for Ishihara without knowing his true colours, then yes, I agree that their voting for him does not equal them considering it okay to have a racist/sexist governor. That much I understand.
Of course, that doesn't make me feel any better. Given Ishihara's track records, I find it very hard not to see his discriminatory nature.
>アナスタシア
why are you YELLING so much ?
are you angry about something ? do you think racism should be encouraged ?
you seem to be trying quite hard to squash what is a legitimate and timely discussion, why would that be ?
if all you can do is yell and disparage people, why not just stay out of it ?
why are you YELLING so much ?
are you angry about something ? do you think racism should be encouraged ?
you seem to be trying quite hard to squash what is a legitimate and timely discussion, why would that be ?
if all you can do is yell and disparage people, why not just stay out of it ?
Uncle Arthur,
No, I don't believe it is okay to have a racist/sexist governor, no matter how politically skilled he/she may be. OTOH, like I said, I cannot control other people's minds - nor is it my right to try and do so.
As I admitted above, I did not consider the possibility that those who voted for Ishihara in fact did not think of him a racist/sexist. His nature was so obvious to me, it just really never occurred to me that the voters would be blind to it.
No, I don't believe it is okay to have a racist/sexist governor, no matter how politically skilled he/she may be. OTOH, like I said, I cannot control other people's minds - nor is it my right to try and do so.
As I admitted above, I did not consider the possibility that those who voted for Ishihara in fact did not think of him a racist/sexist. His nature was so obvious to me, it just really never occurred to me that the voters would be blind to it.
Are there so many japanese citizen who whould ask Ishihara to resign just because he offended a Korean/gaijin?!
As I don't see so many americans asking Bush to resign after he bombed (in the name of god) Iraq based on obviously false accuses of WMD?!
That's democracy and, at the end of the day, it's still better than dictatorship...
As I don't see so many americans asking Bush to resign after he bombed (in the name of god) Iraq based on obviously false accuses of WMD?!
That's democracy and, at the end of the day, it's still better than dictatorship...
Uncle Arthur,
I'm honestly lost here. Hopefully you can shed some light on this for me.
I was responding to 安藝's #14, where he said that he supported Ishihara despite Ishihara's known homophobia. Homophobia is a form of sexual discrimination. Given that, I inferred that he *seemed* to consider it okay to have a racist/sexist governor.
That is why I worded my response in #20 as such. I could have said "安藝, you seem to believe that it is okay..." but did not do so because it was just my own inference. Only he could clarify that.
Please note that I responded his whole post (#14). I did not quote any particular sentence out of it. How that's "taking out of the context" is honestly beyond me. Or should I really go back to school? :)
I'm honestly lost here. Hopefully you can shed some light on this for me.
I was responding to 安藝's #14, where he said that he supported Ishihara despite Ishihara's known homophobia. Homophobia is a form of sexual discrimination. Given that, I inferred that he *seemed* to consider it okay to have a racist/sexist governor.
That is why I worded my response in #20 as such. I could have said "安藝, you seem to believe that it is okay..." but did not do so because it was just my own inference. Only he could clarify that.
Please note that I responded his whole post (#14). I did not quote any particular sentence out of it. How that's "taking out of the context" is honestly beyond me. Or should I really go back to school? :)
Uncle Arthur (#99):
I took it from the last paragraph in #14. He did not say explicitly that he "supported" Ishihara, but the paragraph clearly indicates that he does - at least to me. What do you think?
As for his #32 and my #49, I'm not sure what your point is. At least I didn't start any personal attack on him, but I don't think that's what you're getting at.
He made it clear that _he_ did not consider it okay to have a racist/sexist governor. It was certainly good news to me. I haven't challenged it ever since.
Kyle (#103):
Heard about the group called "Yomawari Mitaka"? I've been supporting the group, albeit just for the last few months. I can't give them much physical support as I live far away; that's my dilemma.
http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~yomawari-mitaka/
I took it from the last paragraph in #14. He did not say explicitly that he "supported" Ishihara, but the paragraph clearly indicates that he does - at least to me. What do you think?
As for his #32 and my #49, I'm not sure what your point is. At least I didn't start any personal attack on him, but I don't think that's what you're getting at.
He made it clear that _he_ did not consider it okay to have a racist/sexist governor. It was certainly good news to me. I haven't challenged it ever since.
Kyle (#103):
Heard about the group called "Yomawari Mitaka"? I've been supporting the group, albeit just for the last few months. I can't give them much physical support as I live far away; that's my dilemma.
http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~yomawari-mitaka/
Uncle Arthur (#105):
All the posts you refer to are regarding my question about the general voters, not 安藝's personal view. As I said above (#104), he made his personal stand clear for me.
As for those general voters, I already admitted that I was not taking the possibility into consideration that they may not have been aware of Ishihara's nature. If I had, then I would not have jumped to the conclusion that voting for him would automatically mean condoning racism/sexism in the governor's office. I hope it's clear now. :)
Having said all that, I'd like to make it clear that it wasn't (and still isn't) my intention to simply offend other posters. My apology if I did.
All the posts you refer to are regarding my question about the general voters, not 安藝's personal view. As I said above (#104), he made his personal stand clear for me.
As for those general voters, I already admitted that I was not taking the possibility into consideration that they may not have been aware of Ishihara's nature. If I had, then I would not have jumped to the conclusion that voting for him would automatically mean condoning racism/sexism in the governor's office. I hope it's clear now. :)
Having said all that, I'd like to make it clear that it wasn't (and still isn't) my intention to simply offend other posters. My apology if I did.
I'm not sure I understand all the animosity towards だいはど in the first place. It was a simple misunderstanding and the backlash seemed more abrasive than any of the comments he made.
Personally, I think there are some serious issues that Ishihara should reconsider regarding his archaic opinions of the foreign population. His being in a position of great power makes him a very influential representative of the people of Tokyo. Although I'm not living in Japan and I am just a nikkei, I find many opinions Ishihara puts forth embarrassing when viewed on the international stage.
Personally, I think there are some serious issues that Ishihara should reconsider regarding his archaic opinions of the foreign population. His being in a position of great power makes him a very influential representative of the people of Tokyo. Although I'm not living in Japan and I am just a nikkei, I find many opinions Ishihara puts forth embarrassing when viewed on the international stage.
I am sorry about the last comment.(79)
Actually Ishihara was a bit more moderate than
usual although he said something agitating in the
beginning of his presentation.
The reason he said aggressively was probably rudeness
of Fukuoka's presentation. To consider Olympic spirit,
they should not accuse Tokyo of money-talks-attitude.
Still I think his comment was unacceptable.
''An eye for an eye'' is not smart.
Actually Ishihara was a bit more moderate than
usual although he said something agitating in the
beginning of his presentation.
The reason he said aggressively was probably rudeness
of Fukuoka's presentation. To consider Olympic spirit,
they should not accuse Tokyo of money-talks-attitude.
Still I think his comment was unacceptable.
''An eye for an eye'' is not smart.
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