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It's funny how the same verbal abuse to a referee would have resulted in a red card though..
But then again verbal abuse is very common in any sport, racial ones too.
And Italy's rather famous for its racism.
Though Materazzi's supposed to be an anti-racism guy.
And Zidane is a hot head with a past history of headbutting and slapping opponents :P
This issue keeps on swirling.
But then again verbal abuse is very common in any sport, racial ones too.
And Italy's rather famous for its racism.
Though Materazzi's supposed to be an anti-racism guy.
And Zidane is a hot head with a past history of headbutting and slapping opponents :P
This issue keeps on swirling.
ale is a good question but I guess since roman empire...they didn't like jews or othe who didn't share their religious way....Also we have to rememnber with benito musolini and the fasism during WWII is part of it too, even on the actuallity Lazio club is an open fasist club heheh well thats just a guess ^ ^ hehe But I don't know any regular Italian person to judge and generalized...So could u tell us how is a regular Italian person like??
Well I do not give a flying fart of what you say.Italy is the country of culture,art and good life.It's people are friendly and very warm hearted.Its football the best in the world and now WORLD CHAMPIONS!
K>If it offended you then I repeat it>Yes he is an ALGERIAN PIECE OF SHIT!Happy?Now you can label me racist!Needless to say,Algeria is close to my country and maybe the skin colour is the same and Zidane is whiter than I am - but alas I am racist - yeah wow!
beto>Fascism started not with Mussonlini but pre-Etruscan.The Roman Empire itself was run in a fascist way and yet many of its laws are part of today's American and other countries' set of laws.Lazio is not a racist club but a radical right one.It has black players playing with it too.On the ther hand you have Livorno which is more radical left.So you have all the spectrum in politics in football.It is part of parcel of its culture.Did you know that Italy's government is left today and its President a Communist?Before you give out such statements check your facts,A general Italian person has a mouth,one nose and two ears and two balls like you.(I hope)
K>If it offended you then I repeat it>Yes he is an ALGERIAN PIECE OF SHIT!Happy?Now you can label me racist!Needless to say,Algeria is close to my country and maybe the skin colour is the same and Zidane is whiter than I am - but alas I am racist - yeah wow!
beto>Fascism started not with Mussonlini but pre-Etruscan.The Roman Empire itself was run in a fascist way and yet many of its laws are part of today's American and other countries' set of laws.Lazio is not a racist club but a radical right one.It has black players playing with it too.On the ther hand you have Livorno which is more radical left.So you have all the spectrum in politics in football.It is part of parcel of its culture.Did you know that Italy's government is left today and its President a Communist?Before you give out such statements check your facts,A general Italian person has a mouth,one nose and two ears and two balls like you.(I hope)
It boils down to this. There are many ways to win a match. Skill is part of it but the psychological element is equally important. The Italians knew they could win with Zidane out of the game so why not try to get him thrown out? Strategically it makes complete sense.
Materazzi succeeded because Zidane played right into his hands. Zidane who is a seasoned veteran should have known better than to give into Materazzi's taunts. Zidane lost the game for his team and country. Italy won. Punto!
Materazzi succeeded because Zidane played right into his hands. Zidane who is a seasoned veteran should have known better than to give into Materazzi's taunts. Zidane lost the game for his team and country. Italy won. Punto!
I have learned to appreciate Soccer after having it shoved down my throat by the Japanese media/tv etc.. Now that I know a few of the rules I can see how people could be into it. Fine. I still prefer contact sports like K-1 or boxing. It`s easier to see who`s winning and loosing in those sports. The issue here is not if the sport is exciting to everyone or not. But was what Zidane did unforgivable,selfish? He is apparently going to talk to CNN in a couple of hours. This ought to be good. Did he over react? It is starting to seem so,
Andre,
>> What is wrong in being homogenic?
>> Are homogenity and xenophobia the same for you?
I can't speak for DanceStar, but I personally don't think those two are the same. However, it may be easier for a homogenious society to become xenophobic by its very nature. Foreigners stand out more easily in a homogenic society than in a melting pot like the U.S. - that can turn into a "us" vs. "them" thing.
>> Try using words like:"I think" and "In my opinion"
>> not write an offensive statement like that.
Do you remember what you said about Zidane? What DanceStar said is *much less* offensive than that.
... I think. ;-)
>> What is wrong in being homogenic?
>> Are homogenity and xenophobia the same for you?
I can't speak for DanceStar, but I personally don't think those two are the same. However, it may be easier for a homogenious society to become xenophobic by its very nature. Foreigners stand out more easily in a homogenic society than in a melting pot like the U.S. - that can turn into a "us" vs. "them" thing.
>> Try using words like:"I think" and "In my opinion"
>> not write an offensive statement like that.
Do you remember what you said about Zidane? What DanceStar said is *much less* offensive than that.
... I think. ;-)
i just saw zidane's interview on tv (TF1 a french channel). and what he had to say was that,
-hes not proud of what he has done, he excuses to the public and especially the children (because they are already immitating him) and the educators of these children, to tell them that its "a bad thing to do".
-he doesnt regret what hes done becuase if he did it means that he would be giving a reason to what materazzi said to him.
and to defend himself (which i think is the best thing to do in this case), he wants the "provocateur" to be punished as well.
uhg, i forgot the most important @art of the interview whhere he was talking abotu that moment...but it was long and he mumbles alot... my bad my bad. itll be on the net soon anyway
oh but he said soemthin like if he was calculating the game he wouldnt have done it.
and so on and so on, but, anyhow, i think zizou is still the best!
but an italien newspaper wrote something like, the italien team won against a group of muslims, blacks, and communists?! wowowowow.... is that true?
-hes not proud of what he has done, he excuses to the public and especially the children (because they are already immitating him) and the educators of these children, to tell them that its "a bad thing to do".
-he doesnt regret what hes done becuase if he did it means that he would be giving a reason to what materazzi said to him.
and to defend himself (which i think is the best thing to do in this case), he wants the "provocateur" to be punished as well.
uhg, i forgot the most important @art of the interview whhere he was talking abotu that moment...but it was long and he mumbles alot... my bad my bad. itll be on the net soon anyway
oh but he said soemthin like if he was calculating the game he wouldnt have done it.
and so on and so on, but, anyhow, i think zizou is still the best!
but an italien newspaper wrote something like, the italien team won against a group of muslims, blacks, and communists?! wowowowow.... is that true?
I was moved to pity when I saw him on the point of crying and asking sorry while looking down, nice way to end his career.
And yeah, the press said that the Italian team won against a group of muslimblacksafrikancomunistsbombermansoreloserscrybabyalgerianmotherfuckers, do you feel better now?
The correct spelling by the way is italian and not italien, you keep on writing it wrong.
And yeah, the press said that the Italian team won against a group of muslimblacksafrikancomunistsbombermansoreloserscrybabyalgerianmotherfuckers, do you feel better now?
The correct spelling by the way is italian and not italien, you keep on writing it wrong.
From today's Sports Illustrated (online):
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Zidane said on Wednesday that he was provoked by insults about his mother and sister, and the comments must have been deeply hurtful or vile, otherwise Zidane -- something of a hothead, true, but a veteran who has no doubt been the target of some nasty slurs in his time -- would not have snapped in such an important game. It may be, as some have suggested, that the Italians were working on Zidane verbally the entire game, a perfectly legal and common tactic, and Materazzi's words were just the last straw. Either way, it's remarkable and unfair that Zidane is being so widely denounced while the instigator seems to be getting a free pass.
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I totally agree with the article, especially the last sentence.
It takes two to tango. Like lumi said above, the "provocateur" should be punished as well.
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Zidane said on Wednesday that he was provoked by insults about his mother and sister, and the comments must have been deeply hurtful or vile, otherwise Zidane -- something of a hothead, true, but a veteran who has no doubt been the target of some nasty slurs in his time -- would not have snapped in such an important game. It may be, as some have suggested, that the Italians were working on Zidane verbally the entire game, a perfectly legal and common tactic, and Materazzi's words were just the last straw. Either way, it's remarkable and unfair that Zidane is being so widely denounced while the instigator seems to be getting a free pass.
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I totally agree with the article, especially the last sentence.
It takes two to tango. Like lumi said above, the "provocateur" should be punished as well.
If Materazzi insulted Zidane's sister (as cnn is reporting) than I have lost some respect for Zidane. It is the behaviour of a 12 year old! The best way to get back at your opponent for hurling insults at you is to PUT THE FUCKING BALL IN THE GOAL!!!!
Let's not forget that although some of you treat this as a religion it is just a game (or match).
Let's not forget that although some of you treat this as a religion it is just a game (or match).
だいはど,
My my,still impressed?I am sorry I scandlised you!I think you should not go to a ground because you might have a heart stroke with all the offenses you hear!!!!!!!!!
Well let me tell you this then:after the match I went carcading with my friends(both Italian and Maltese).We made alot of noise until 3 am and drank alot of beers.We spent a night chanting Italian songs and soccer anthems and offending Zidane!
What Zidane did was really shameful and I have never seen anything like that before in football.That must be a classic!
Did I piss you more now?Come on I am waiting for your insults!
My my,still impressed?I am sorry I scandlised you!I think you should not go to a ground because you might have a heart stroke with all the offenses you hear!!!!!!!!!
Well let me tell you this then:after the match I went carcading with my friends(both Italian and Maltese).We made alot of noise until 3 am and drank alot of beers.We spent a night chanting Italian songs and soccer anthems and offending Zidane!
What Zidane did was really shameful and I have never seen anything like that before in football.That must be a classic!
Did I piss you more now?Come on I am waiting for your insults!
You didn't piss me off at all. All you're doing is making a fool of yourself more and more.
>> I think you should not go to a ground because you might
>> have a heart stroke with all the offenses you hear
I see that you condone personal attacks on the field. "Don't listen to it if you don't like it."
>> I think you should not go to a ground because you might
>> have a heart stroke with all the offenses you hear
I see that you condone personal attacks on the field. "Don't listen to it if you don't like it."
You do not need to remind me what I said about Zidane.You have been repeating that alot of times so I think it impressed you.I was surprised you heard nothing of the like before.I had my doubts you are living on this planet.
Personal attacks on the field happen all the time - at least you are starting to understand it.Yellow card Materazzi?Make Materazzi pay a fine?Cut his tongue like in the Inquisition times?So what?It does not change things.Italy won and hell they deserved winning the world cup.France never impressed with their team of pathetic 'French' wannabes.
Personal attacks on the field happen all the time - at least you are starting to understand it.Yellow card Materazzi?Make Materazzi pay a fine?Cut his tongue like in the Inquisition times?So what?It does not change things.Italy won and hell they deserved winning the world cup.France never impressed with their team of pathetic 'French' wannabes.
I dont know but I heard Materazzi told Zidane SOTW (son of a terrorist whore) a couple of times and "I wish you and your family die an ugly death." I think most of people get upset, at least say something in that situation. it doesnt matter on field or not, world cup or not, there are things you are never supposed to say no matter what:(
>> Personal attacks on the field happen all the time
Doesn't mean it should remain that way. If a player insulted anotherin MLB (major league baseball) like Materazzi allegedly did Zidane, I am pretty sure the offender would be punished for it. I suspect it's the same with NBA. I personally believe that's the way it should be.
>> t does not change things.Italy won and hell
>> they deserved winning the world cup.
Where did I ever say that Italy should not have won, or that they did not deserve it? All I am saying is that if Zidane is to be punished for his behaviour, then Materazzi should be punished as well.
Doesn't mean it should remain that way. If a player insulted anotherin MLB (major league baseball) like Materazzi allegedly did Zidane, I am pretty sure the offender would be punished for it. I suspect it's the same with NBA. I personally believe that's the way it should be.
>> t does not change things.Italy won and hell
>> they deserved winning the world cup.
Where did I ever say that Italy should not have won, or that they did not deserve it? All I am saying is that if Zidane is to be punished for his behaviour, then Materazzi should be punished as well.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19762820-2703,00.html
According to this article, the exact insult was: "son of a terrorist whore."
If FIFA is serious about cracking down on racism in football/soccer, they need to send a message that Matterazzi's comments were hateful and unacceptable.
It's one thing to talk trash to a player by saying things like, "You're too slow" or "You're too old" or "Fatass". It's a completely different thing to make comments directed at a person's ethnicity and family.
They both ought to be punished; Zidane for the headbutt and Matterazzi for his unsportsman-like behaviour.
According to this article, the exact insult was: "son of a terrorist whore."
If FIFA is serious about cracking down on racism in football/soccer, they need to send a message that Matterazzi's comments were hateful and unacceptable.
It's one thing to talk trash to a player by saying things like, "You're too slow" or "You're too old" or "Fatass". It's a completely different thing to make comments directed at a person's ethnicity and family.
They both ought to be punished; Zidane for the headbutt and Matterazzi for his unsportsman-like behaviour.
I just think it is so sad that this wonderful professional soccer player is suffering from his own action...
We all know that he is regretting what he has done in front of the fans and the world when he is playing for his country...
But,, it is so shame that this Italian player had come up with such a hateful insult to the greatest French player..
Respect peach love sportsmanship,,, where is everything?
We all know that he is regretting what he has done in front of the fans and the world when he is playing for his country...
But,, it is so shame that this Italian player had come up with such a hateful insult to the greatest French player..
Respect peach love sportsmanship,,, where is everything?
It wrong to think that you can get away with saying some things just because you are on TV or in the middle of a dam game. The head butt was very real and I guess we are lucky that it only went that far. See what happen when ZiDane returned to France! Anyway its between those two and we will never know the truth. As long as it was worth it to Zidane we should all just let it go. It`s his life. And he has to live with it. Not us.
Sports are no different than politics or war. People will win anyway they can (look at Bush he stole 2 elections and Americans sat on their hands). The Geneva Convention has been used as toilet paper by the White House.
Point is we stopped following the rules long ago.
I agree with TokyoOG. Let's let it go.
Point is we stopped following the rules long ago.
I agree with TokyoOG. Let's let it go.
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