☆ENGLISH ONLY☆コミュのWHY DO YOU THINK JAPANESE WOMEN.....

It is just someone's fantasy.

Girls simply need to behave themselves.
They should realize that their stupidity affects the image of the whole nation.

Andy,
Actually, I heard the opposite from Japanese FEMALE friends! They said that WOMEN care more about giving other WOMEN a hard to each other! My friend's buddies wrote her and said stuff like " I wanna chew your fat...or I won't be your friend anymore if you get fatter..." My other friends said men didn't really care about their weight...

308> hello again Pr0digalS0n

Thanks for the comment....

"Eventually, most of the soldiers leave. But the prostitution industries that sprang up to cater to all those soldiers are still around, and they need new customers. So how do they survive? By getting local men to patronize them instead of the soldiers... "

I'm not sure how familiar you are with Japan - but if you're suggesting the fuuzoku industry over here started after the second world war then sorry but you're completely wrong. Maybe off by a few centuries...perhaps an order of ten more even....So it follows this is not something left behind by slutty westerners after the meiji modernization, the second world war etc....
The fuuzoku, buying women, whatever is a MAJOR part of Japanese culture. Often the last stage of 'entertaining' guests in business situations nowadays, probably previously too....
I work in the creative sector over here, and often we get customers from outside of Tokyo who come to visit us. Usually our "tanto" has to take them out to a restaurant, wine and dine them, then depending on how important a guest they are he may often escort them to a fuuzoku where they...well...you know what....we pay for everything by the way...
I couldn't believe it when I first came out here. One, because the same thing is unthinkable in England, and two because it's not a shady thing at all....we have these kinds of places in England (extremely few) but usually you're gonna get jacked if you go (not your knob, I mean robbed), or there's always the chance of a police raid etc. It's a proper service over here, just like going to a restaurant, and there's practically zero chance of the police arresting you for it....even though both in England and Japan it's illegal....
Anyway
THIS CULTURE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WESTERN MEDIA
is what I'm trying to say.
They've been doing it for hundreds of years, and in fact they (japanese men) mostly don't think it as reprehensible as westerners at all. It's just a case of wether you like it or not as an individual, there's no "as a soceity, this is fucked" kind of thing. Ofcourse Japanese women don't think they same way, but they know about the "sekkyaku" and what goes on at a fuuzoku....

I can't comment for Asia, I only know about Japan - but I'm guessing the fuuzoku culture is not a unique Japanese thing.

I can totally understand how it makes you mad that Asian women might be portrayed in the with the painful "me love you long time" stereotype, and it makes you even madder that westerners who have never been to Asia buy into that. But what I'm trying to illustrate to you is, for example, the Japanese men have been treating/expecting a "me love you long time" image of their women for hundreds of years - the proof is existence of such places as Yoshiwara, Nakasu, and nowadays almost any town with a train station....infact it's so accessible now the fuuzoku owners have something called "delivery health" ("health" is the name they use for blow job shops, so delivery health means you call up the number and they send a girl to your house to...well... you know what) advertising posted indiscriminately to most apartments. It's obvious what they are advertising, and they even print prices and time limits on the ad....this is how integrated it is into the culture over here......because....it's been around for a long time.
Man, just think, comic books for high school students are full of sex and girls being used as sex objects - and no-one thinks it's imoral enough to have it stopped....

So, whatever the western media does, is just a drop in the ocean compared to how the Japnese themselves have been objectifying their women (for hundreds of years) - and hopefully this illustrates to you where the western media's stereotype has come from.
Infact you might even be able to say the western media is almost irrelevant - since Japanese men themselves traditionally seem to consider women as sex objects.....so whiteys coming over here thinking all girls are sex objects are actually pretty much in tune with what your average Japanese guy thinks...

Side note - you mentioned western soldiers, bringing dirty habits with them etc....have you ever heard of the "comfort women" the Japanese army had? Mostly Korean I believe....and I'm not sure but, you didn't have to pay for them either...


One last thing...

I really just want to point out I'm not some P.C equal rights crusader. I don't care about that. And I also really don't want to be in the group of westerners that come over here and say stupid things like "Japan is so racist", "Japan is so sexist" etc....because that sounds so hypocritical to me...

I'm just pointing out some things I've learnt based on living here, and working with Japanese people...

good talking to you

cheers

...,
The only reason men in USA aren't like that is because it is ILLEGAL. Even so, we STILL have some people like that...

...> Been thinking of writing a comment like that and you took many of the words right out of my mouth.
I general, aside from the submissive role Japanese women already play in Japan's oyaji society. I think Japan as a whole is just more open about sex. Compared to America anyhow, I don't know about Europe. Like coming here, "just a simple Nebraska boy" (any of you guys seen Team America)? I was shocked when I spent my first Saturday night out in Shizuoka city.. yes Shizuoka, not Toyko.. not Osaka.. Shizuoka. I had never seen so many tight butts hanging out of short miniskirts in one place in one time in my life. Granted this is due to smaller land mass size and population density and more pedestrians, but still it is the image that it brought to me. I felt embarrassed just to walk around, thinking everyone thought I was pervert or something cuz it seemed everywhere I looked there was some girl dressed liked I felt like I should not be looking at her. And then I walk into a conbini, (and it never fails to this day) and see a line of Japanese guys looking at porno mags in front of everybody like it was nothing. And I'm thinking... aren't these guys embarrassed at all to be doing that?? My point is that, Japan being a society that is clearly very open sexually could give some westerners (especially people who just visit for short periods of time) the idea that Japanesse girls are easy.

... - nice post. Strangely kids who live here seem to see these things go on... and then there's everyone else...

ムーちゃまのミー Some? It's the talk of many frat houses in the U.S. Who got what off what stripper... UNTIL the public attitude shifts towards shaming them, then it becomes something to hide. Different system all together than japan. I was also surprised to hear a song off the U.S. Radio on the charts talking about cheating...

Anyway, Guchi, come visit me sometime and we'll go for some decent nomihodai action and I'll drop you off for gummers on the way home :-P

Captain Random,
That is true! But those people do not represent majority so...

Yeah, you know what I find interesting, there aren't many songs written by WOMEN who cheated on someone...

There may be songs by MEN who have been cheated on, but it is not common for a women to write a song about her cheating on a partner. I heard a song like that by the British band Yazoo [Yaz in USA], and I was like, OMG, this is perhaps one of the only songs I know like that...

349: Captain Random!>
Anyway, Guchi, come visit me sometime and we'll go for some decent nomihodai action and I'll drop you off for gummers on the way home :-P

Gahaha! Umm ?thanks?.. for the offer.. :P Just a little side note for all the male readers suddenly eager to indulge themselves in fuuzoku culture: I heard a rather disturbing figure reported on Japanese TV news 2+ years ago that discovered about 60% of sex workers in Japan (they aren't all Japanese BTW, many are "imported" from the Philipines, Thailand, etc.) had tested positive for STD's. Of course, many have probably since recovered, but there are probably a rather large number that haven't been careful to test on a regular basis and involve themselves in very high risk situations. Think about how many men they've had and the chance that even one of their customers carries something nasty.. Even if they tested negative in the last week, what if a postitive customer gave her something in the last day? I could NEVER bring myself to go to such a place. That's probably the scientific analyst in me speaking, but quite honestly, I'd rather not play Russian roulette with my nether regions. ?Unfortunately? :P I live in Canada right now, so I'll have to take a raincheck on the offer. The beer I mean. :P

...> Thou hast the long wind of a Red Sea parting nostril of God! ha ha, I just made that up right now. Good post. Interesting things to say. Glad I didn't have to type all that. When's the book coming out? :)

i think the fact that a bunch of foreigners sit around trying to define the answer to this question is the biggest irony

Ahh, ironic if we take the original post seriously.. :)

sex is fake?!! FAKE?? ケニー、are you faking it?.. :P :P
you animal driven by instinct you!! (^.^)

Kenny,
They may tell YOU that, but as a woman I hear different stories...besides the students at our UNI don't necessarily represent the average population [ask Fukushima if you ever talk to him again! hahaha]

The Water Business is not technically illegal in Japan, btw. It is illegal to pay for intercourse with a prostitute, but the soaplands and BJ/handjob places are technically legal, to a certain degree. But such establishments are legal in other countries, some of which legalize prostitution entirely.

Kurisu, you are making the mistake of applying *your* morals to somebody else.

In America, back in the late 60's/early 70's, it was gripped in the Free Love fad, with everybody wanting to be a hippy, to have sex when they wanted to with who they wanted to, to get back to nature, etc. I know of it very well since both my parents are still hippies. The reason I bring this up though is that all those ex-hippies are what we now call the baby-boomer generation, which means for a lot of us Americans on here, your parents engaged in far more "free love" than the Japanese ever did or do.

The world didn't come to an end, either.

BTW, on the subject of women writing songs about cheating - hate to say it, but women are more likely to cheat than men, it's just they are much smarter about it and don't have this obscure need to confess about it to everybody in the world. :p

Kurisu is either trolling or mentally castrated. I'm not sure which, but I'm not really down to find out either.

Guchi - Sadly it's not just the sex trade workers with high std rates.. guys obsession (I can feel their pain) with nama manko and all that... you really have to be careful when shagging the locals... always wear a raincoat!

362: Captain Random!> I found this bit of information hard to believe when I first heard it, but there is a group of young STD infected individuals in Japan that actually consider their infection with STD some kind of badge of pride because it's proof they were getting some! This was on evening news in Japan a couple years back. They were interviewing all these idiots that were out on the streets just rampantly nampa'ing and having sex with whoever, and they were actually boasting about the fact that they had STDs and how they gave it to their regular partner. Of course, they weren't to happy about how painfull their genitals were when they got infected though. The most frightening piece of news was that the irresponsible boink heads were still having sex with whoever they could!!

I always felt that the biggest turnoff in a relationship is the knowledge someone has cheated, but because of people like the above, it's an even better reason to shun and avoid people who are like that. Contrary to some people's perception, STD's including AIDS are on the rise in Japan because of a bunch of stupids.

Lots of rain in Japan.

Chris - don't be angry just because I have history and logic on my side ;)
Guchi - We actually both got tested when I first got together with my woman, she's really freaked about chlamydia (for good reason). I've heard sex ed in this country is severely lacking, I have decided to abstain from my PE teachers class (another patron of the BJ bars in Sendai...) who teaches health.. so god knows what my kids are learning.
Also, in part due to the aforementioned boink heads, they also have cameras in Karaoke booths to prevent sex in karaoke bars. Although I guess at some places they were selling the vids as amateur porn later and making some bank...

I think getting tested is the first hurdle in an educated relationship these days. Too many people still just don't care enough about themselves. I heard that about the karaoke bars, but apparently it wasn't just the karaoke bars but also private internet booths and manga cafe's that were getting the skinny.

Guchi - as someone who has tried (and been shot down) in an internet booth, damn straight about those pesky cameras...
but then again there's also been increasing amounts of theft at the all-night places. So it's probably better they have cameras...

368: Captain Random!> Yuu, yuu, damn horny Americans!! Always doing chu chu at all night karaoke and manga kissatens!! :P I've never done the skinny at any public establishment but I understand the feeling. Don't you feel a little embarrassed with yourself though? I'd rather go through the trouble of planning something a little more secluded.

au contraire
it's the thrill of getting caught
but shhhhhh don't tell anyone i think this
otherwise i'd be labeled as a "typical japanese slut"
oh wait, that's just my 被害妄想♪

It'd only be a slut thing if there was more than one guy involved. It's an uninhibited thing if it's in proximity to prying eyes. I guess parks are pretty public.. maybe I'm guilty.. I have had security shine a flashlight at me.. no nudity or anything, but it was embarrassing.

もえ, you? A victim? hah!! Does not compute.

352> hey there Guchi,
Yeah that was a long one wasn't it...usually keep that kind of thing to myself, but in the spirit of everyone getting their facts right etc...

Well anyway I'm personally kind of over all this super serious talk. Can we have the old ENGLISH ONLY back where we all used to about more everyday stuff, and Japanese memebers felt more welcome, it was easier for everyone to join in...It's their site after all I think...

OK I got the whole series of a comic called "Shamo" today - so I'm off to have a good read and a cup of tea!

saludo

p/s this is terrible, but I kind of miss Chilifresh...

... I'm with you on this. Too much trollery as of late!

... wouldn't be right if people didn't contribute what they know or have seen and experienced themselves.

You like the kakutougi-kei too? I'm sort of an afficionado of the "Tough" series. Gotta love all the Osaka-ben in there.

Chilifresh.. kaha!

THIS IS 2006, get over it.

>the Japanese Blood is getting to be MIXED...
I think they just want to keep it quiet...

As they say , sex and scandal are necessary indegredients to keep a topic goin!! Apropos to you guys ..you will make this even longer the "War and Peace" 笑

Well, you always get this general tone from everybody that sex is a bad thing....

But then you find them talking about it *all* the time. :D

Yeah .sevenphotos ..
everybody says sex is a bad thing when they are not doin it ..:-))

Hey! Who said sex is a bad thing?? :) I might have said VD is a bad thing, but not sex itself :P I think balance is the key, too much of a good thing can turn it into a bad thing.. unless you enjoy antibiotics and bandages.^_^ :P

'sup Boys,
well this must be longest thread in the history of ENGLISH ONLY- congrats to all us citizens for managing to talk about what's really a non issue to most normal people for so long...

375> yeah! I'm really into the kakutougikei....love watching 'Pride' and all that too - bit scary really, why do I enjoy watching big muscle men in spandex pants grappling each other about?....well it's reassuring to know I'm not the only one, I think well over a million tuned into the last Pride, #31 or something I think, anyway..yeah change the subject quickly....umm
Ow! "Tough" - it's my one of my all time favourites! Are you reading the new series? Kiibo has grown up and is trying to resist the evil influence of his Uncle...
The new series of "Baki" has turned to crap - but I'm still reading it, Baki will finally confront his father Yuujiro next issue...
If you like kakutougikei but also like something intelligent, I recommend "Shamo", have you read it? Very realistic with some really good moral testers in there, I think it'd make a great film.
A different story and genre, but similar ethical questions are raised in a really good one called AKAGI, I can't recommend it enough...it's about mah-jong though....
My actual all time favorite is FIST OF THE NORTH STAR. Ofcourse the moves, and character's lines are cool and all that, but it was the first Japanese comic I ever saw so it has a special sentimental value for me. Also I was shocked by the moral code in the story - I was a western kid used to Superman or Batman escorting the bad guy to jail, from where we knew he would undoubtedly escape at some point...but in hokuto, Kenshiro just slays them on the spot...very black and white, and quite a culture shock....

Anyway lets talk Tough sometime, maybe you can help me with the bits of Japanese I can't read properly? (lots of it )

"dou ya!"

etc hahaha