OK , this thing has been bugging me for quite a while now. Why do people on mixi tend to hide , or not mention the cities and other address information about them? With the immense user base and popularity of MIXI, its more than likely that it presents many chances to find real life friend . Friends with whom you can go for many fun acitivities, such as sports , dinners , and so on….And it is possible to find such friends only when you know where the person you are talking to lives. Are people not really interested in finding real life friends and just looking for penpals and stuff? What’s your reason , please mention below. In case you are not from the coward hiding class, you are invited to be my friend.
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maich: I think Americans are used to giving out more information then Japanese. Regardless, most people are on Mixi to keep in touch with their friends. Not meet strangers. I don't talk with strangers on Facebook. If you notice, people on Mixi also don't really have the number of friends as people on Facebook either. It is normally close friends, family, and coworkers. Not random strangers.
If you live in Osaka you can surely find people though. There are a lot of groups on Mixi that will have parties and people often meet in safe places. Do you know Japanese? Your whole profile is in English. Using Japanese would make a lot more sense if you want to meet Japanese people. Not everyone is interested in English.
If you live in Osaka you can surely find people though. There are a lot of groups on Mixi that will have parties and people often meet in safe places. Do you know Japanese? Your whole profile is in English. Using Japanese would make a lot more sense if you want to meet Japanese people. Not everyone is interested in English.
マイケル：I've just started using mixi recently but I've found it really useful to meet people/strangers via the different community groups. I think that is the main difference between Facebook and mixi. Facebook gets you back in touch with old friends etc, whereas mixi gives you the opportunitiy to meet new people.
Well, I guess it just depends on the person, but that is how it is for me.
My profile is 95% Japanese, but maybe you were not directing that comment at me?
Well, I guess it just depends on the person, but that is how it is for me.
My profile is 95% Japanese, but maybe you were not directing that comment at me?
#9 dudeshane01さん：
> I am assuming you mean to say due to one or two secluded incidents/annually in a usage proportion which is millions time of it, we should force ourselves to hide into hoods ??
I'm not advocating that at all; I'm just saying that's how it is. I'm American and I've been online since I was about 10 or 11 (still use the same AIM screenname, in fact) and I find the Japanese way of using the internet to be idiotic, quite frankly.
People like >>12 are exactly the sort of people who are keeping Japan from joining the global community because openness scares them. It's regrettable but only time will change their closedminded way of thinking.
> I am assuming you mean to say due to one or two secluded incidents/annually in a usage proportion which is millions time of it, we should force ourselves to hide into hoods ??
I'm not advocating that at all; I'm just saying that's how it is. I'm American and I've been online since I was about 10 or 11 (still use the same AIM screenname, in fact) and I find the Japanese way of using the internet to be idiotic, quite frankly.
People like >>12 are exactly the sort of people who are keeping Japan from joining the global community because openness scares them. It's regrettable but only time will change their closedminded way of thinking.
@青ひげキショイ
""By the way, are information in web are genuine?""
For sure the information online is more often than not , real and also useful. Had it not been so , i bet you would not be paying your ""dear yens"" monthly for it. Can you describe in detail what led you to believe that information on net is all fake?? Or you just happened to ""hear the horror story"" from somewhere and decided on it.
@ダン@痛み止め過量
Thanks for clear explanation and removing my misunderstanding on your view point.
""By the way, are information in web are genuine?""
For sure the information online is more often than not , real and also useful. Had it not been so , i bet you would not be paying your ""dear yens"" monthly for it. Can you describe in detail what led you to believe that information on net is all fake?? Or you just happened to ""hear the horror story"" from somewhere and decided on it.
@ダン@痛み止め過量
Thanks for clear explanation and removing my misunderstanding on your view point.
Sorry maich, the 2nd paragraph was just for the topic creator. I don't really know how often people meet in groups since I am in America right now and haven't tried it. Most normal Japanese people I know just use Mixi for friends and family though. There are people who use Mixi a lot more then others, but I would say it is not the norm. Of course there are plenty of chances to find people on Mixi if you speak Japanese.
In Japan they play up events were something bad happens online. In America people always say to not give out information online either, but Americans ignore it. Japanese people on the other hand, thank it is a good idea.
In Japan they play up events were something bad happens online. In America people always say to not give out information online either, but Americans ignore it. Japanese people on the other hand, thank it is a good idea.
dudeshane, you should lighten up a little bit :)
Japanese people already have lots of friends without even joining Mixi.
Some Japanese do use mixi to make new friends.
But for most people, Mixi is a place to keep in touch with the people you ALREADY know personally.
For many centuries, Japanese people have kept a strong separation between personal and public lives. Do you really expect them to act like americans or europeans, in just 16 years of internet and mobile communications?
Also, they are really busy. Many of them don't have the time that westerners do to explore social media websites thoroughly. If you pay attention, many Japanese will engage in social media activitiesusing their keitai on trains, while commuting. A cell phone is not really the best tool to spend hours adding lots of friends like the westerners do.
Having said this, many Japanese are now opening up to the world, and seeking new friends. Do you really have a hard time making real life Japanese friends through Mixi? Not to brag, but for me it is very easy, to the point where I actually had to start reducing the number of contacts that I had made, down to a manageable amount.
It sounds to me that Western people randomly add friends on social media websites, without making any effort to really maintain meaningful connections with all of them. That seems to me like a waste of time. Keeping strong connections is more important than adding people all the time.
But, like I said, people are mostly here to maintain connections with people that they already know. Childhood friends, coworkers, neighbours, etc. You should not censor them for taking this approach,especially since there are already more than enough Japanese people in Mixi willing to make foreign friends.
Japanese people already have lots of friends without even joining Mixi.
Some Japanese do use mixi to make new friends.
But for most people, Mixi is a place to keep in touch with the people you ALREADY know personally.
For many centuries, Japanese people have kept a strong separation between personal and public lives. Do you really expect them to act like americans or europeans, in just 16 years of internet and mobile communications?
Also, they are really busy. Many of them don't have the time that westerners do to explore social media websites thoroughly. If you pay attention, many Japanese will engage in social media activitiesusing their keitai on trains, while commuting. A cell phone is not really the best tool to spend hours adding lots of friends like the westerners do.
Having said this, many Japanese are now opening up to the world, and seeking new friends. Do you really have a hard time making real life Japanese friends through Mixi? Not to brag, but for me it is very easy, to the point where I actually had to start reducing the number of contacts that I had made, down to a manageable amount.
It sounds to me that Western people randomly add friends on social media websites, without making any effort to really maintain meaningful connections with all of them. That seems to me like a waste of time. Keeping strong connections is more important than adding people all the time.
But, like I said, people are mostly here to maintain connections with people that they already know. Childhood friends, coworkers, neighbours, etc. You should not censor them for taking this approach,especially since there are already more than enough Japanese people in Mixi willing to make foreign friends.
> #4 dudeshane01,
> Why not directly put that info. up there on your profile.
I donot know why..... Maybe it's because I am shy, or I donot have a digital camera.
One thing I am sure is that I donot want to disclose my personal info much. Also, it is true that I am not desperately seeking for a actual friend here. But I would join a real meeting (party or whatever) of a community of a particular subject I am interested.
> when you add a person as your friend on mixi.......
I would exchange PM before I became MIXI friends, because you cannot tell if the info of others are actually true. And some became my MIXI friends after I discuss with them on the community thread. I have never chosen to be a MIXI friend just because I look at the profile. Of course, there is a person's profile really interests me, but it is not gonna be the reason I want to be a MIXI friend.
> Why not directly put that info. up there on your profile.
I donot know why..... Maybe it's because I am shy, or I donot have a digital camera.
One thing I am sure is that I donot want to disclose my personal info much. Also, it is true that I am not desperately seeking for a actual friend here. But I would join a real meeting (party or whatever) of a community of a particular subject I am interested.
> when you add a person as your friend on mixi.......
I would exchange PM before I became MIXI friends, because you cannot tell if the info of others are actually true. And some became my MIXI friends after I discuss with them on the community thread. I have never chosen to be a MIXI friend just because I look at the profile. Of course, there is a person's profile really interests me, but it is not gonna be the reason I want to be a MIXI friend.
I'll just add that there are people on Mixi that I have become close friends with. I meet my ex-girlfriend on Mixi, I have got mail from people all over Japan, met a good friends family, and been asked by people I met on Mixi to come visit and stay with them. Not to mention the large amount of personal e-mails that I have. All of these people contacted me. I didn't have to do anything but be myself.
If I was in Japan, and was looking for friends, I would join groups that have to do with my hobbies and possibly groups around were I live. If you don't know Japanese, start learning. It is easy to find language exchange partners, but if you are looking for friends normal groups would be better.
There are a lot of people like you who come back to America and say, "Japanese people don't like Americans, it is so hard." It is easy, but if you couldn't do well in America, there is no way you'll do well in Japan. You need social skills, you need understanding, and you can't stay home all day wondering why you don't have any friends.
If I was in Japan, and was looking for friends, I would join groups that have to do with my hobbies and possibly groups around were I live. If you don't know Japanese, start learning. It is easy to find language exchange partners, but if you are looking for friends normal groups would be better.
There are a lot of people like you who come back to America and say, "Japanese people don't like Americans, it is so hard." It is easy, but if you couldn't do well in America, there is no way you'll do well in Japan. You need social skills, you need understanding, and you can't stay home all day wondering why you don't have any friends.
@マイケル
Your reply is really cool and any new people to Mixi and Japan can learn how to get new friends here reading it. I know you have put a fair amount of time in here, writing this, and your effort in writing all this here is appreciated. But just to remove a few misconceptions, I have highlighted a few points below:
“”I would join groups that have to do with my hobbies and possibly groups around where””
You got it right, we need to have some proficiency in Japanese before being able to do those things. I do possess required proficiency in speaking , but I am poor at calligraphy. And I bet for most of the foreigners learning Japanese, it is the weaker link. For using mixi to do all that cool stuff, like joining local groups or whatever, your reading and writing part need to be good.
“”lot of people like you who come back to America and say””
Dude , I am not an American and I have no grudges against Japanese people. I like most of Asian people , including people from China and Hongkong , where I worked for almost 5 years , before getting transferred to Japan. What I was asking here was simply why people like to hide most of info. about them. I know different people have different opinions. So I just wanted an insight into it.
Your reply is really cool and any new people to Mixi and Japan can learn how to get new friends here reading it. I know you have put a fair amount of time in here, writing this, and your effort in writing all this here is appreciated. But just to remove a few misconceptions, I have highlighted a few points below:
“”I would join groups that have to do with my hobbies and possibly groups around where””
You got it right, we need to have some proficiency in Japanese before being able to do those things. I do possess required proficiency in speaking , but I am poor at calligraphy. And I bet for most of the foreigners learning Japanese, it is the weaker link. For using mixi to do all that cool stuff, like joining local groups or whatever, your reading and writing part need to be good.
“”lot of people like you who come back to America and say””
Dude , I am not an American and I have no grudges against Japanese people. I like most of Asian people , including people from China and Hongkong , where I worked for almost 5 years , before getting transferred to Japan. What I was asking here was simply why people like to hide most of info. about them. I know different people have different opinions. So I just wanted an insight into it.
@musashino-chibashi
I just have one account. You are right about two names, because the other account is actually my Japanese friend's account who doesn't uses it much. So she was ready to lend that account to me for a while. But eventually i figured out how to get a account on mixi.
And i wasn't able to completely turn back the account settings of previous account to my friend's setting due to poor Japanese skills.I have already asked to do so though.
And for the picture thing, atlast you asked what i was suspecting a lot of people might ask me.
But surprisingly only one asked. I had my real picture on for a few days till i was advised by my Japanese friends not to do so. I didn't completely agree with that but just listened to them.
As a matter of fact , that's why i started this discussion to know what's the theory behind hiding real info.
And lastly , its strange that you asked me the picture question , since the picture you are using is displayed in my post.And i am dead sure , its not you.
I just have one account. You are right about two names, because the other account is actually my Japanese friend's account who doesn't uses it much. So she was ready to lend that account to me for a while. But eventually i figured out how to get a account on mixi.
And i wasn't able to completely turn back the account settings of previous account to my friend's setting due to poor Japanese skills.I have already asked to do so though.
And for the picture thing, atlast you asked what i was suspecting a lot of people might ask me.
But surprisingly only one asked. I had my real picture on for a few days till i was advised by my Japanese friends not to do so. I didn't completely agree with that but just listened to them.
As a matter of fact , that's why i started this discussion to know what's the theory behind hiding real info.
And lastly , its strange that you asked me the picture question , since the picture you are using is displayed in my post.And i am dead sure , its not you.
You questioned about the people's tendency of hiding the info on their profile. This logically makes me think that you disclose all possible info on your profile. That's why I posted that comment at #25.
You should ask your Japanese friend as well about the reason why your Japanese friend advised you of removing your photo.
BTW, the photo is Chiba Tsunetane, one of the knight of Minamoto no Yoritomo, who was the first Shogun of the Kamakura era. I use it instead of a photo of myself as I admire him. Also, he was the ancestor of Sakamoto Ryoma's (he contributed a lot for the Meiji restoration) swordsmanship master.
You should ask your Japanese friend as well about the reason why your Japanese friend advised you of removing your photo.
BTW, the photo is Chiba Tsunetane, one of the knight of Minamoto no Yoritomo, who was the first Shogun of the Kamakura era. I use it instead of a photo of myself as I admire him. Also, he was the ancestor of Sakamoto Ryoma's (he contributed a lot for the Meiji restoration) swordsmanship master.
Japanese people don't like using pictures because, I have been told, they are shy. Many girls don't want a lot of messages from guys asking them out as well. However, some people use pictures. Often times they use photo booth pictures. I am unsure why your Japanese friends would say that you shouldn't use it.
""I am unsure why your Japanese friends would say that you shouldn't use it.""
Its impossible for me to guess as wll. Everyone has his/her specific logic behind what he says. I just happened to be a good follower in this case.
And that's the basic reason i put up this discussion before removing my address from the mixi profile.Its fun to hear what all things people have to say and share.
Si far, I am enjoying this.
Its impossible for me to guess as wll. Everyone has his/her specific logic behind what he says. I just happened to be a good follower in this case.
And that's the basic reason i put up this discussion before removing my address from the mixi profile.Its fun to hear what all things people have to say and share.
Si far, I am enjoying this.
I was curious about your profile pic dude.(Since you seemed to be really concerned about mine.)
And since you gave me a whole big explanation in your comment number #28 about Chiba Tsunetane. I believe you should know actually who is the Japanese wrestler that world knows about. He is Yokozuna.
I never had any idea about the cartoon picture that you are using as your profile pic though.
And since you gave me a whole big explanation in your comment number #28 about Chiba Tsunetane. I believe you should know actually who is the Japanese wrestler that world knows about. He is Yokozuna.
I never had any idea about the cartoon picture that you are using as your profile pic though.
>dudeshane01
You didn't, at least when I saw your profile. No cheating
My point is that while this could be an interesting topic about concepts of privacy and "sociality" as perceived by Western and Japanese users, you used a lot of harsh rhetoric in your initial post that really undermined any case you may have hoped to make.
You didn't, at least when I saw your profile. No cheating
My point is that while this could be an interesting topic about concepts of privacy and "sociality" as perceived by Western and Japanese users, you used a lot of harsh rhetoric in your initial post that really undermined any case you may have hoped to make.
Yeah, hiding photos and real name on mixi is completely different from mixi. I've thought that a few times too. Also I guess it has something to do with some people putting watermarks on their pictures so other people can't use it. I guess we don't have that kind of thing in England or even the west.
Anyway some fair comments were made from both sides....i didn't read any, i just thought i'd add a bit
From London here...............................................That's in England....you know...in Europe....for any Americans reading
haha :P
Anyway some fair comments were made from both sides....i didn't read any, i just thought i'd add a bit
From London here...............................................That's in England....you know...in Europe....for any Americans reading
haha :P
@ ダン@痛み止め過量
Everything is fair in love and war. Can't believe i just said it.(Sounds cool though) LOL
"""you used a lot of harsh rhetoric in your initial post"""
I know i was a bit harsh there , it was intentional. I wanted to get true insight into my question, and that is possible only when you provoke people.
isn't it ?
Everything is fair in love and war. Can't believe i just said it.(Sounds cool though) LOL
"""you used a lot of harsh rhetoric in your initial post"""
I know i was a bit harsh there , it was intentional. I wanted to get true insight into my question, and that is possible only when you provoke people.
isn't it ?
I'm on the fence about this issue. On the one hand, I can see why many people would like to keep their information private. However, keeping things like what area of Japan they live in, seems a little excessive to me. After all, just because you know that someone on Mixi lives in Chiba, doesn't mean you will actually be able to FIND them if you went to Chiba and looked for them (especially since many people don't use their real picture).
As for people saying "Americans just like to add a lot of strangers on networking sites" well...that kind of depends on the person. I have over 500 friends on Facebook, but...I actually know all of those people. Most people I know do not just add random people. It seems like it is mostly young people, and people who want to seem popular or be internet celebrities or something, that decide to add anyone. Especially on facebook! There is so much personal information on Facebook that a LOT of people would not just add ANYONE. Myspace is a very different story though. Though, not as many people use Myspace anymore. It's lame.
As for people saying "Americans just like to add a lot of strangers on networking sites" well...that kind of depends on the person. I have over 500 friends on Facebook, but...I actually know all of those people. Most people I know do not just add random people. It seems like it is mostly young people, and people who want to seem popular or be internet celebrities or something, that decide to add anyone. Especially on facebook! There is so much personal information on Facebook that a LOT of people would not just add ANYONE. Myspace is a very different story though. Though, not as many people use Myspace anymore. It's lame.
> Facebook
I was just gonna say about this. There are so many non-japanese, who hide some info on their profiles, as matter of fact. So, hiding the profile is not really a typical Japanese tendency.
> additional and not-necessary info,
it is said that the style of the Jedi knight master (Star Wars) is kinda derived from that of the swordsmanship master I mentioned at #28 (Hokushin Itto Ryu - 北辰一刀流). I am not 100% sure though.
I was just gonna say about this. There are so many non-japanese, who hide some info on their profiles, as matter of fact. So, hiding the profile is not really a typical Japanese tendency.
> additional and not-necessary info,
it is said that the style of the Jedi knight master (Star Wars) is kinda derived from that of the swordsmanship master I mentioned at #28 (Hokushin Itto Ryu - 北辰一刀流). I am not 100% sure though.
44>>I was just gonna say about this. There are so many non-japanese, who hide some info on their profiles, as matter of fact. So, hiding the profile is not really a typical Japanese tendency.
THis is kind of true. Though in general College students do not hide most of their info (except the year of birth, or their specific address or telephone number), I don't think. I'm not sure how it is in Japan, but in the US we hear stories every now and then of people who got fired from their job because someone else put a picture of them on facebook that was inappropriate. Therefore, it's natural that people would want to hide at least SOME info.
Me? I am a High School teacher, and teachers in the US get looked at really harshly by the community. If my facebook even says anything controversial, for example if I am an abortion supporter, and one of my student's parents find that and gets offended, they might complain about it and get me fired, saying that if they can find my page and see this info, then the students can too, and I can get into trouble that way. Therefore, I do not use my real name on Facebook, but rather I use 白小狼, which was my Chinese name given to me by my Chinese teacher in High School. That way, even if my students or bosses look for me, they cannot find me on facebook.
THis is kind of true. Though in general College students do not hide most of their info (except the year of birth, or their specific address or telephone number), I don't think. I'm not sure how it is in Japan, but in the US we hear stories every now and then of people who got fired from their job because someone else put a picture of them on facebook that was inappropriate. Therefore, it's natural that people would want to hide at least SOME info.
Me? I am a High School teacher, and teachers in the US get looked at really harshly by the community. If my facebook even says anything controversial, for example if I am an abortion supporter, and one of my student's parents find that and gets offended, they might complain about it and get me fired, saying that if they can find my page and see this info, then the students can too, and I can get into trouble that way. Therefore, I do not use my real name on Facebook, but rather I use 白小狼, which was my Chinese name given to me by my Chinese teacher in High School. That way, even if my students or bosses look for me, they cannot find me on facebook.
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