I started this conversation in Spanish and have found it a bit odd that so many people support Chavez. What is so god, or bad about socialism or communism? Why do so many Chavez supporters feel the USA is so corrupt? Does a president need to have the option of being elected for a 3rd 6 year term to be a good president? What direction is Venezuela headed in and what can we learn about it.
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All I want to say is I agree with #3; I think a balance would be better
but realistically, it'll be too hard for us to comprehend.
I don't think it's good for a president to be lifelong, however. Terms that are less than a decade worth are good.
Socialism has the right idea in some cases, I feel- but it's just too hard to fully go with for a lot of people.
But I can see why Chavez supporters feel why US is corrupt...maybe propaganda, the famous dance of national and international politics has a hand in it as well
but realistically, it'll be too hard for us to comprehend.
I don't think it's good for a president to be lifelong, however. Terms that are less than a decade worth are good.
Socialism has the right idea in some cases, I feel- but it's just too hard to fully go with for a lot of people.
But I can see why Chavez supporters feel why US is corrupt...maybe propaganda, the famous dance of national and international politics has a hand in it as well
>workmx
My answer was meant in no way as a supportance for the US or other countries, but rather kept neutral and pointing out certain aspects which you can see from the outside on a longer time scale.
Everybody agrees that George W. Bush was the worst US President ever and under his government, the violations of international rights reached new standards. An problematic fact is, that there are organisations and people within the US that run their own politics and operations, regardless of whom is President. Therefore it will also happen under popular Presidents as Clinton or now Obama, that american interventions on a global scale still violate respective rights.
At the same time, this also happens in the EU - which claims to be an humanist paradise. In example, under Schroeder government in Germany it also happened that people got abducted in Germany and were brought to secret US prisons in east Europe. No protests were voiced by the German foreign minister back then. Or the European policy toward Africa is still showing flaws and ingorance toward the chapater of imperialistic rule of european states in 19th and 20th century.
Regarding Socialism and Capitalism. We've seen the breakdown of Communism with the USSR, the change of Chinas economy and the starvation in North Korea. We've seen in which way it affected the normal civilians. Very recently we experience what could be the breakdown of Capitalism, the crash of Leeman Brothers and other Banks, the bailing out of car companies, the worldwide Recession and desperate programmes of Nations trying to avoid and financial collapse. We see millions of people who lost their job or are in constant fear losing their jobs, we see a few people who more or less are responsible for the whole breakdown and now expect their anual bonusses. Finally we see the politicans who softly point their fingers "No No No, that's imoralic" but in reality get paid by financial lobbyists. "You don't bite the hand that feeds you".
It's true that if worlds nations want to recover from all this, a new idea of dealing with each other (and not just on a scale nation to nation, but also company to public or colleague to colleague) has to be found. An balance has to be found between the vital aspects necessary for human living.
My answer was meant in no way as a supportance for the US or other countries, but rather kept neutral and pointing out certain aspects which you can see from the outside on a longer time scale.
Everybody agrees that George W. Bush was the worst US President ever and under his government, the violations of international rights reached new standards. An problematic fact is, that there are organisations and people within the US that run their own politics and operations, regardless of whom is President. Therefore it will also happen under popular Presidents as Clinton or now Obama, that american interventions on a global scale still violate respective rights.
At the same time, this also happens in the EU - which claims to be an humanist paradise. In example, under Schroeder government in Germany it also happened that people got abducted in Germany and were brought to secret US prisons in east Europe. No protests were voiced by the German foreign minister back then. Or the European policy toward Africa is still showing flaws and ingorance toward the chapater of imperialistic rule of european states in 19th and 20th century.
Regarding Socialism and Capitalism. We've seen the breakdown of Communism with the USSR, the change of Chinas economy and the starvation in North Korea. We've seen in which way it affected the normal civilians. Very recently we experience what could be the breakdown of Capitalism, the crash of Leeman Brothers and other Banks, the bailing out of car companies, the worldwide Recession and desperate programmes of Nations trying to avoid and financial collapse. We see millions of people who lost their job or are in constant fear losing their jobs, we see a few people who more or less are responsible for the whole breakdown and now expect their anual bonusses. Finally we see the politicans who softly point their fingers "No No No, that's imoralic" but in reality get paid by financial lobbyists. "You don't bite the hand that feeds you".
It's true that if worlds nations want to recover from all this, a new idea of dealing with each other (and not just on a scale nation to nation, but also company to public or colleague to colleague) has to be found. An balance has to be found between the vital aspects necessary for human living.
Panchoさん
You seem to be conflating socialism with communism. What are your definition of these terms?
You also appear to be conflating the USA with an opposite to socialism or communism. Which may be, democracy and/or capitalism.
Just a quick note, for your edification: I live in Australia, which is a democracy and where the economy operates on a basically capitalist manner.
BUT, we do not have a right to the freedom of speech... in fact we do not have any rights enshrined in legislation at all (although some can be inferred in our constitution).
BTW, do you have any empirical evidence that the right to free speech is more likely to be upheld in a democracy than in a socialist state?
You seem to be conflating socialism with communism. What are your definition of these terms?
You also appear to be conflating the USA with an opposite to socialism or communism. Which may be, democracy and/or capitalism.
Just a quick note, for your edification: I live in Australia, which is a democracy and where the economy operates on a basically capitalist manner.
BUT, we do not have a right to the freedom of speech... in fact we do not have any rights enshrined in legislation at all (although some can be inferred in our constitution).
BTW, do you have any empirical evidence that the right to free speech is more likely to be upheld in a democracy than in a socialist state?
workmx, I am simply trying to compare the governments such as Aus, UK, China, Cuba, Russia, Venezuela and USA which is very similar yet completely different to Mexico.
To define socialism, I think of the simple idea that we "spread the wealth" and to define communism I think of simply "the government owns everything". Does that suit our purpose for discussion?
What is clear to me is that people who are allowed to make their own decisions, such as "Do I spend my money on health care, education or beer?" are more likely to be happy than those who are TOLD where to spend it.
Does that make sense?
To define socialism, I think of the simple idea that we "spread the wealth" and to define communism I think of simply "the government owns everything". Does that suit our purpose for discussion?
What is clear to me is that people who are allowed to make their own decisions, such as "Do I spend my money on health care, education or beer?" are more likely to be happy than those who are TOLD where to spend it.
Does that make sense?
Pancho (#10)
>> To define socialism, I think of the simple idea that we "spread
>> the wealth" and to define communism I think of simply "the government
>> owns everything".
Looks fine to me. With that definition, though, I personally do not see any connection between socialism and the lack of freedom of speech.
>> To define socialism, I think of the simple idea that we "spread
>> the wealth" and to define communism I think of simply "the government
>> owns everything".
Looks fine to me. With that definition, though, I personally do not see any connection between socialism and the lack of freedom of speech.
I am revising my recent post to add:
There shouldn't be a connection between socialism and liberties, however, I have heard that Hugo Chavez shut down TV and Radio stations that appose him. Does anyone "have any empirical evidence" that Hugo has shut these radio stations down?
If I can take this discussion back to the original questions, "What does Chavez plan to do that requires 18 years or more?"
I am afraid that he will prevent most people from being free to pursue their individual dreams of success like some Americans have done (Bill Gates, Michael Moore, Arnold Schwarzenegger and my brother). This will be done by taking advantage of poor people who will feel liberated because they are receiving some extra money from the oil revenue which in my own individual perspective is a way of "buying votes", but I am not Chavez and I have not lived in Venezuela.
Furthermore, I think he will use the military power to enforce a dictatorship much like what I have heard is in place in Cuba although not as severe as North Korea. I have heard that Cuban people have free education and free health care but they are not free to study subjects that are not beneficial to the country. There is nothing wrong with that, but I would much rather be free to decide what I study.
What is so good about capitalism? The only benefit I see is a free capitalist environment gives me the sense of satisfaction. I feel I have been free to exploit my talents as far as possible and have fallen short of my dreams because of my own individual limitations. Now, I want my child to be free to explore his potential and teach him that he will succeed or fail by his own accord. I do not want him to feel restricted by a government.
I HOPE I AM WRONG about Chavez, but "if it looks like a duck..."
There shouldn't be a connection between socialism and liberties, however, I have heard that Hugo Chavez shut down TV and Radio stations that appose him. Does anyone "have any empirical evidence" that Hugo has shut these radio stations down?
If I can take this discussion back to the original questions, "What does Chavez plan to do that requires 18 years or more?"
I am afraid that he will prevent most people from being free to pursue their individual dreams of success like some Americans have done (Bill Gates, Michael Moore, Arnold Schwarzenegger and my brother). This will be done by taking advantage of poor people who will feel liberated because they are receiving some extra money from the oil revenue which in my own individual perspective is a way of "buying votes", but I am not Chavez and I have not lived in Venezuela.
Furthermore, I think he will use the military power to enforce a dictatorship much like what I have heard is in place in Cuba although not as severe as North Korea. I have heard that Cuban people have free education and free health care but they are not free to study subjects that are not beneficial to the country. There is nothing wrong with that, but I would much rather be free to decide what I study.
What is so good about capitalism? The only benefit I see is a free capitalist environment gives me the sense of satisfaction. I feel I have been free to exploit my talents as far as possible and have fallen short of my dreams because of my own individual limitations. Now, I want my child to be free to explore his potential and teach him that he will succeed or fail by his own accord. I do not want him to feel restricted by a government.
I HOPE I AM WRONG about Chavez, but "if it looks like a duck..."
> I am afraid that he will prevent most people from being free
> to pursue their individual dreams of success like some
> Americans have done (Bill Gates, Michael Moore, Arnold
> Schwarzenegger and my brother).
Why do you care? It is not the business to the USA or anyone to interfere with the internal processes of sovereign nations...
Afterall, how would anyone here feel if another nation told you and your fellow citizens what they can and can't do in your own country? It is time for the USA to step down from its self-appointed role as worldwide bully.
> Furthermore, I think he will use the military power to
> enforce a dictatorship much like what I have heard is in
> place in...
Again, this is exactly what the USA does...
> to pursue their individual dreams of success like some
> Americans have done (Bill Gates, Michael Moore, Arnold
> Schwarzenegger and my brother).
Why do you care? It is not the business to the USA or anyone to interfere with the internal processes of sovereign nations...
Afterall, how would anyone here feel if another nation told you and your fellow citizens what they can and can't do in your own country? It is time for the USA to step down from its self-appointed role as worldwide bully.
> Furthermore, I think he will use the military power to
> enforce a dictatorship much like what I have heard is in
> place in...
Again, this is exactly what the USA does...
workmx, If that was the way to deal with foreign nations, most of us would b speaking German now. Can we really go around ignoring Human Rights violations? That is not so say taking over a country by force is the way to deal with these issues. But, if I can understand what takes place before a dictator comes to power, perhaps I can prevent it from happening in my country.
Now, I am afraid I care too much. SHOULD I bury my head in the sand?
Now, I am afraid I care too much. SHOULD I bury my head in the sand?
＞ Now, I am afraid I care too much. SHOULD I bury my head in the sand?
From a certain point of view - you have ALREADY buried your own head in the sand of an outmoded and deluded rhetoric
> most of us would b (sic) speaking German now.
More silly rhetoric. The writing was on the wall for the Nazi German when the Luftwaffe switched their focus from RAF fighter command to general bombing. Get yourself to a library, and read some books - you never know, you might actually learn something.
From a certain point of view - you have ALREADY buried your own head in the sand of an outmoded and deluded rhetoric
> most of us would b (sic) speaking German now.
More silly rhetoric. The writing was on the wall for the Nazi German when the Luftwaffe switched their focus from RAF fighter command to general bombing. Get yourself to a library, and read some books - you never know, you might actually learn something.
#15 リラックミル - Yes.
workmx, if you don't have anything constructive to say...
Thanks to our brief discussion I have decided to shut off my access to CNN, BBC, NHK and only follow NPR. From this point forward my only literature will be the endless chatter on Twitter and Mixi as everyone here has all the right answers.
Thanks for clarifying Hugo Chavez's position.
workmx, if you don't have anything constructive to say...
Thanks to our brief discussion I have decided to shut off my access to CNN, BBC, NHK and only follow NPR. From this point forward my only literature will be the endless chatter on Twitter and Mixi as everyone here has all the right answers.
Thanks for clarifying Hugo Chavez's position.
Apologies, Pancho-san
Obviously I am confused...
I did not know that you wanted to wanted to have a constructive debate about Chavez.
It is clear that I wasn't concerntrating - my bad.
IMO, it just seems that, from the sound of your intro to this topic, you just wanted someone to confirm a set of predetermined ideas.
> I started this conversation in Spanish and have found it a
> bit odd that so many people support Chavez...
Obviously I am confused...
I did not know that you wanted to wanted to have a constructive debate about Chavez.
It is clear that I wasn't concerntrating - my bad.
IMO, it just seems that, from the sound of your intro to this topic, you just wanted someone to confirm a set of predetermined ideas.
> I started this conversation in Spanish and have found it a
> bit odd that so many people support Chavez...
Since we have failed to come to a landing on the issue of Chavez, I would like to suggest a possibly more constructive political and sociological topic:
So called communist states (such as the USSR and China) are more akin to centralised, totalitarian bureaucratic states (such as Nazi Germany) than to Marx's dictatorship of the proletariat. Discuss.
So called communist states (such as the USSR and China) are more akin to centralised, totalitarian bureaucratic states (such as Nazi Germany) than to Marx's dictatorship of the proletariat. Discuss.
NANA, what has Chavez promised? Does he offer a National Health Care plan and Free Education like Castro?
Has Chavez outlined how he plans to deal with foreign countries who are less willing to buy goods from Venezuela?
workmx, No need to apologize. My poor choice of words, but I truly am dumbfounded why people support Chavez. I was not trying to justify what I believe in, rather I'd like to understand why people support Chavez. As far as "conflating" is concerned, Cuba and Venezuela should not be so easily compared yet they are. Chavez looks up to Castro. That does not mean they are the same, but "birds of a feather..."
God willing, the people in Venezuela will be able to hold on to a free democratic government while taking advantage of reasonable socialist reforms. But if history repeats itself, Venezuela will be ruled by a single president who will enforce his own ideals by violating human rights.
In any case, "What can we do to help?"
Has Chavez outlined how he plans to deal with foreign countries who are less willing to buy goods from Venezuela?
workmx, No need to apologize. My poor choice of words, but I truly am dumbfounded why people support Chavez. I was not trying to justify what I believe in, rather I'd like to understand why people support Chavez. As far as "conflating" is concerned, Cuba and Venezuela should not be so easily compared yet they are. Chavez looks up to Castro. That does not mean they are the same, but "birds of a feather..."
God willing, the people in Venezuela will be able to hold on to a free democratic government while taking advantage of reasonable socialist reforms. But if history repeats itself, Venezuela will be ruled by a single president who will enforce his own ideals by violating human rights.
In any case, "What can we do to help?"
Whilst some people are capable of having a real conversation, they must ignore the obvious "All are created equal" yet some feel they are governed by laws of men. Don Quixote, an insane fictional character, made more sense than some people on this blog. Myself included.
In a fit of Bourbon I ask...what is YOUR pint? I meant "point"
In a fit of Bourbon I ask...what is YOUR pint? I meant "point"
Hugo Chavez is a victim of passionate debate -> Wikipedia. Joking:)
I dont know much about him, but just one thing, freedom is dangerous.
People shouldnt be given a lot of freedom, because soon enough they'll start to abuse it.
And since I lived in post soviet country. I can say, communism is comfortable, since one has his life arranged for him, job, food, clothes, hobbies. One doesnt hav to think much, just enjoy.
I dont know much about him, but just one thing, freedom is dangerous.
People shouldnt be given a lot of freedom, because soon enough they'll start to abuse it.
And since I lived in post soviet country. I can say, communism is comfortable, since one has his life arranged for him, job, food, clothes, hobbies. One doesnt hav to think much, just enjoy.
My point is that you are unwilling to open your eyes and view the world as many colors rather than just BLACK and WHITE, which is ironic because by that statement I mean that people are not born in equal circumstances. Also, that capitalism only supports the rich and not the middle class or the poor. You are anti-Socialism, but there are plenty of programs come from Socialism that are really helpful. I don't care what you think about Chavez, but Capitalism is the reason countries such as America and Japan are in deep-rooted recessions.
リラックミル, you seem upset. Aside from that you, have a good point and should not be afraid to express it. As for who I am and what I believe in, that really is irrelevant when you think I have living with my "eyes closed".
So help me open my eyes. Why do so many Cuban citizens flee to USA? Why are so many Mexicans migrating to the US? Why is Japan the leading auto maker next to US?
The comedian George Carlin once said something along the lines "That's why they call it the American dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it". Well, I would rather keep my eyes close and have the dream that one day I will have a bigger house, nicer clothes and my children will have a better education. Compared to what I would consider a nightmare of having the president tell me what to study, where to work and how to live. But that's just me.
Luka, not sure if you meant to be funny but I certainly had a laugh at your comment #28. Cheers
So help me open my eyes. Why do so many Cuban citizens flee to USA? Why are so many Mexicans migrating to the US? Why is Japan the leading auto maker next to US?
The comedian George Carlin once said something along the lines "That's why they call it the American dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it". Well, I would rather keep my eyes close and have the dream that one day I will have a bigger house, nicer clothes and my children will have a better education. Compared to what I would consider a nightmare of having the president tell me what to study, where to work and how to live. But that's just me.
Luka, not sure if you meant to be funny but I certainly had a laugh at your comment #28. Cheers
30#
Why do so many RICH Cubans flee to USA?? Because they have a monopoly on the poor and are afraid it will be taken away. I don't think I could enjoy having so much money and see everyone around me suffering. I might wish my children to have a good education, but in my opinion, EVERY child has the right to the best education. In USA, it is getting way too expensive. In places such as Germany (and their Universities are very reputable), people can afford to go to University. It's called Democratic Socialism. Not just the rich deserve nice things.
Mexico is not a socialist nation, so that argument is not valid. America should put pressure of Mexico to take care of its people.
You would rather live in a nation where rich people built gates around their communities and the poor are suffering???
And you didn't comment on the current economic problems being caused by capitalism?
Why do so many RICH Cubans flee to USA?? Because they have a monopoly on the poor and are afraid it will be taken away. I don't think I could enjoy having so much money and see everyone around me suffering. I might wish my children to have a good education, but in my opinion, EVERY child has the right to the best education. In USA, it is getting way too expensive. In places such as Germany (and their Universities are very reputable), people can afford to go to University. It's called Democratic Socialism. Not just the rich deserve nice things.
Mexico is not a socialist nation, so that argument is not valid. America should put pressure of Mexico to take care of its people.
You would rather live in a nation where rich people built gates around their communities and the poor are suffering???
And you didn't comment on the current economic problems being caused by capitalism?
リラックミル, it's too bad I can't agree with you because the truth is I have never asked anyone who risked their life in a small raft to get from Cuba to Florida if they are rich.
>>built gates around their communities and the poor are suffering???
Do you Bill Gates or build gates? Because I don't think people in Simi Valley are suffering that much. And he is not living in the US right now, he is fighting mosquitoes in Africa or somewhere like that. That rich greedy monster!
(I'm trying to e sarcastic)
If there was more reasoning in your arguments I would explain myself on what the US and Japan governments have or have not done regarding today's economy but I don't think this is the type of forum to truly discuss those opinions with. I wanted to get a better understanding about WHY so any people support Chavez when I consider him to be a prime example of totalitarian dictatorship. So far, I have not changed my opinion, I feel I have either been barking up the wrong tree or there is NO logical reasoning.
>>built gates around their communities and the poor are suffering???
Do you Bill Gates or build gates? Because I don't think people in Simi Valley are suffering that much. And he is not living in the US right now, he is fighting mosquitoes in Africa or somewhere like that. That rich greedy monster!
(I'm trying to e sarcastic)
If there was more reasoning in your arguments I would explain myself on what the US and Japan governments have or have not done regarding today's economy but I don't think this is the type of forum to truly discuss those opinions with. I wanted to get a better understanding about WHY so any people support Chavez when I consider him to be a prime example of totalitarian dictatorship. So far, I have not changed my opinion, I feel I have either been barking up the wrong tree or there is NO logical reasoning.
32# "If there was more reasoning in your arguments I would explain myself on what the US and Japan governments have or have not done regarding today's economy but I don't think this is the type of forum to truly discuss those opinions with."
You are barking up the wrong tree, so go somewhere else.
You are barking up the wrong tree, so go somewhere else.
Venezuela's oil-based economy is crashing. Inflation, at over 30 percent, is the highest in Latin America, and shortages of basic goods are common. Venezuela ranks 158th out of 180 countries in a global corruption index, and its murder rate has tripled under Chavez, making Caracas one of the most dangerous cities in the world. (Washington Post)
Chavez is an anti-semite who in January directed state media to turn away from criticizing the outgoing Bush administration and turn instead to the Venezuelan Jewish community as its new target to stir support for the Feb. referendum. One television host blamed opposition demonstrations on two students he said had Jewish last names. On a pro-government Web site, another commentator demanded that citizens "publicly challenge every Jew that you find in the street, shopping center or park" and called for a boycott of Jewish-owned businesses, seizures of Jewish-owned property and a demonstration at Caracas's largest synagogue. On Jan. 30 the synagogue was duly attacked by a group of thugs, who spray-painted "Jews get out" on the walls and confiscated a registry of members.
The only people who support Chavez are idiots like Sean Penn. These are the same people who watch a movie by Michael Moore and believe it is a documentary.
Chavez is an anti-semite who in January directed state media to turn away from criticizing the outgoing Bush administration and turn instead to the Venezuelan Jewish community as its new target to stir support for the Feb. referendum. One television host blamed opposition demonstrations on two students he said had Jewish last names. On a pro-government Web site, another commentator demanded that citizens "publicly challenge every Jew that you find in the street, shopping center or park" and called for a boycott of Jewish-owned businesses, seizures of Jewish-owned property and a demonstration at Caracas's largest synagogue. On Jan. 30 the synagogue was duly attacked by a group of thugs, who spray-painted "Jews get out" on the walls and confiscated a registry of members.
The only people who support Chavez are idiots like Sean Penn. These are the same people who watch a movie by Michael Moore and believe it is a documentary.
Mark, thanks for the added notes. I have not been reading so much about it lately but the Washington Post does have lots of information on what's been happening recently. Looks like this topic has strayed into justifying a socialist reform and we have all overlooked the process by which Chavez has implemented his reform.
As for Sean Penn and Micheal Moore, no sure they are any dumber or smarter than you or I. After all, they have more money and fame than I do. I can see Sean Penn's point, Chavez has helped bring what he stated as 80% of the population out of poverty. The question is, at what cost?
Recently Chavez tried to brush off some criticisms by saying US should look at their own Human Rights violations before attacking Venezuela. I think that comes from the Christian bible verse Luke 6:41-42. Some people may think that makes it OK for Chavez to behave like a tyrant as long as he doesn't behave as bad as George Bush.
Now we have to look at Mexico closer. That bloody drug war along the Juarez-Texas border is getting way out of hand.
As for Sean Penn and Micheal Moore, no sure they are any dumber or smarter than you or I. After all, they have more money and fame than I do. I can see Sean Penn's point, Chavez has helped bring what he stated as 80% of the population out of poverty. The question is, at what cost?
Recently Chavez tried to brush off some criticisms by saying US should look at their own Human Rights violations before attacking Venezuela. I think that comes from the Christian bible verse Luke 6:41-42. Some people may think that makes it OK for Chavez to behave like a tyrant as long as he doesn't behave as bad as George Bush.
Now we have to look at Mexico closer. That bloody drug war along the Juarez-Texas border is getting way out of hand.
"Chavez has helped bring what he stated as 80% of the population out of poverty. The question is, at what cost?"
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
-- Winston Churchill
Don't drink the Kool Aid that Michael Moore and Sean Penn and those other crazy liberals. They would have you believe that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, and Fidel and Raul Castro are all great leaders while the USA is a nation full of evil sinners.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
-- Winston Churchill
Don't drink the Kool Aid that Michael Moore and Sean Penn and those other crazy liberals. They would have you believe that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, and Fidel and Raul Castro are all great leaders while the USA is a nation full of evil sinners.
Perhaps the reason the U.S. are so easily blamed for all that ails Latin America
is that they had legitimately elected governments overthrown in support of their
own national interests in the past and they continue to attempt to manipulate
electoral processes within the region.
I think Hugo Chavez probably started out with a few good ideas but as the saying
goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Still he's no worse than plenty of others
who enjoy extensive U.S. support.
is that they had legitimately elected governments overthrown in support of their
own national interests in the past and they continue to attempt to manipulate
electoral processes within the region.
I think Hugo Chavez probably started out with a few good ideas but as the saying
goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Still he's no worse than plenty of others
who enjoy extensive U.S. support.
In California there is a lot of discussion now about legalizing marijuana. From what I've gathered in the recent news, apparently there is a booming business in "prescription" marijuana. Plus, the Feds have just announced that they will no longer oversee that prescriptions aren't abused (or something like that).
The point of the discussion was that California already has virtual legalization of marijuana. It's not doing anything to abate the gang violence.
"Is the US to blame for producing the weapons and not reducing the demand for drugs?"
Time for you to stop buying into all of these conspiracy theories, my friend.
The point of the discussion was that California already has virtual legalization of marijuana. It's not doing anything to abate the gang violence.
"Is the US to blame for producing the weapons and not reducing the demand for drugs?"
Time for you to stop buying into all of these conspiracy theories, my friend.
There are some whacked things going on in Mexico at the moment.
Women are being kidnapped and murdered by gangs and the police aren't
doing too much about it. They look at killing someone as a right
of passage.
I'm not a big fan of guns, I've been on the wrong end of them a
few too many times, but who knows....maybe if everyone in Mexico
could shoot back the gangs might decide to stay home and watch
a DVD.
I have a friend who is in 4RAR and he and his girlfriend were
accosted by a group of gang members on a bus while on holiday
in Mexico. As he tells the story, he basically ruined a very good
umbrella on them before managing to get off the bus and doing
a runner with his girlfriend....although knowing him I don't think
there would have been much left to run from.
Women are being kidnapped and murdered by gangs and the police aren't
doing too much about it. They look at killing someone as a right
of passage.
I'm not a big fan of guns, I've been on the wrong end of them a
few too many times, but who knows....maybe if everyone in Mexico
could shoot back the gangs might decide to stay home and watch
a DVD.
I have a friend who is in 4RAR and he and his girlfriend were
accosted by a group of gang members on a bus while on holiday
in Mexico. As he tells the story, he basically ruined a very good
umbrella on them before managing to get off the bus and doing
a runner with his girlfriend....although knowing him I don't think
there would have been much left to run from.
Conspiracy or not,when I was in LA I bought a DAVIS .25 for $50 at the Lytle Creek shooting range, unregistered. That was back in 1990, don't know if that kind o transaction is still possible. But I can only imagine what a hardcore drug dealer could get a hold of if they tried.
The gun was a piece of crap. It fired okay but had terrible accuracy (I blame the gun) so I threw it in the scrap heap.
As for marijuana, if I recall correctly, the best weed comes from Hawaii and Colombia. Mexico is more of a cocaine and meth provider. You can dismiss my concerns as simple paranoia, but I'd say the writing is on the wall.
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
The gun was a piece of crap. It fired okay but had terrible accuracy (I blame the gun) so I threw it in the scrap heap.
As for marijuana, if I recall correctly, the best weed comes from Hawaii and Colombia. Mexico is more of a cocaine and meth provider. You can dismiss my concerns as simple paranoia, but I'd say the writing is on the wall.
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
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