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This was something that I posted in another comminuty, but I would like to post here as well... to get feedback from various people. Before we discuss this topic, I would suggest you watch this comedy short by WongFuProductions:



The term "yellow fever," a pun on the disease of the same name, is a slang term that is used to describe the stereotype of western men with an attraction toward women of Asian descent.

This expression is defined as "the attraction for women from Asian countries, these women are valued not for who they are as person, but for their race or perceptions of their culture." The term is generally is directed at western males who date, or have married, women of Asian descent.

Although some people think that "yellow fever" is most common among western males who are less attractive to women of their own race or culture with whom they may feel that they "don't stand a chance with". There is also a generalization that exists among some western males, that Asian women are more courteous and do not complain as much as western women.

So the question is actually a bunch of smaller separate questions that all amount to the same thing, that being;

Asian men are looked upon as less desirable by western media and are definitely represented as such.

Asian women are portrayed as being exotic, submissive, and petite.

And why is this an issue... the social acceptance of the over-generalization of an entire ethnic race of women, as is the social acceptance of the very common stereotypes that apply to the men in conjunction. We are not your mail order brides, we are not "oriental" like a rug or a vase, we are not all naturally submissive, and we should not subconsciously look at marrying white men as taking a step up in the social and financial ladder. And yet we do, and yet we are.

1For Asian men, how do you look at “Yellow Fever?” Does it bother you that the ratio of Asian men/women who date outside their race is unbalanced? Like it said in the youtube video "Yellow Fever", do you feel like your confidence etc has anything to do with it?

2For Asian women, does it bother you to have men initially attracted to you solely because of your ethnic heritage? Do you date outside your race? And if so, do you do it exclusively? And if that’s so, what do you feel makes Asian men seem less attractive?

3For western men, have you ever examined your attraction for Asians? And for those of you with professed “Yellow Fever,” is it a deal breaker? Do you exclusively look for Asian women? Is it just a 'perk'?

4And for western women, for those of you who are attracted to Asian men, or have been with them in the past etc... Do you feel like Asian men are as or more sexually attractive than men of any other race, and if so... is there any specific reason(s) why?

So how does this bother you? or does it?
Do you fit one of these types of people? and why?
What is your reason(s) for falling into this pattern?

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I guess I fall into category 3 here. I'm a white male.
I do have an attraction for Asian women, more so than Caucasian women. However, I do not look exclusively for Asian women. I'll have whoever comes around.
Even though I do prefer Asian women, I do not belittle or demean them.
I treat them with the same amount of respect as all women.
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> How does this affect you?
Laughter. Knew the video but its always nice to see it again.

3.a: No.
Rest does not apply.
Hey, after reading your post, I guess I fit into category 1. To answer your question, I do feel that a confidence factor somewhat plays a key part in why this unbalance occurs.This is because when we look at Japanese(Asian) men generally, we can perceive that they are usually modest and do not act with initiative than most western men do during dating. In addition it is obvious that asian men look "weaker" than western men; which is another component that could be causing all this.
Putting all this aside, since I've dated western women, I could say that in the end it comes down to a matter of preference. So,I think that it is just a matter between less western women seeing asian men as attractive and more western men seeing asian women as attractive.

P.S. This doesn't mean asian men don't like western women(well, at least in my case lol).
What's the word on the street...


-> listen and hear what the people say!
I'm a western man, i guess... When you say western, does it matter what ethnicity, because I'm black, so the there might be a difference in perception to what western means.
regardless, I studied in Japan for a year when I was in high school, and while living there I found that I became more attracted to Japanese women, but I think the main reason was because I was surrounded by Japanese people... So, my paradigm for what is attractive switched to the Japanese paradigm instead of an American one.
But I think that people who are attracted to people because of their race is strange. If someone said that they are attracted to me because I am black, it would be a turn off. So I understand people being weirded out if someone where "hit on" by a guy who thought they were attractive because they're Asian.
Also, though times are changing, I think that many Japanese women are a bit more docile than American women. But i think that is because of the culture and that is changing now. I know american women were docile not that long ago, and i believe that Japanese women are becoming more and more independent!

Feel free to disagree with me, I'm trying not to be ignorant うれしい顔
→? I have little interest in domestic women. I don't care if they're Asian Canadian. I just generally don't find the personality of most Canadian women so appealing. I like the feminine nature of East Asian and many European women. They're just nicer to be around. That's just my opinion on the matter.
I wrote a reply on the other board but here I'll simply say:
I don't like Japanese women, I don't like Western women and I don't like Asian women.

I just like WOMEN!

If you rule someone out because they are not a particular race you might miss out on someone special!
I find this post very imformative and interesting. I am an American who lives in Japan, so I guess I fit into category three. I do find Japanese women, generally, more attractive than caucasian...and I really can't pinpoint the time when my preference changed. It was sometime after high school. I kind of blame it on my Vietnamese friend in America, haha!! But it's not just Asian...it's what I consider exotic women, whether it be Greecian, Brazilian, Korean...or Japanese. However, it is just a preference, and not a deal-breaker.

But, because I am living in Japan and am learning and can speak some Japanese, it makes sense that I date here. :)

I don't think having a preference is strange at all. People can't really help what and who they are attracted to. Generally, one of the first things you are attracted to are a person's looks, no matter what anyone says. If you don't find someone physically attractive, then a relationship will be difficult.

You think that a person is attractive, and then you can go up and find an excuse to strike up a conversation, and people's criteria for attractiveness differs, whether it be hair color, intelligence, muscles, or nationality...LOL.

Everyone has preferences...some people's just happen to be Eastern women.
As a black male in America I can only answer #3. While I admit that I have a small bias for Asian women, it has not prevented me from pursuing/trying to pursue relationships with other women. I enjoy a woman for her company, not solely because of her ethnicity. Now that I think about it, most of the girls I've ever liked were of latin or african decent, and not asian. I have to agree with J美一 as well, if I'm truly looking for love, then I will leave no stone unturned.
First of all there is nothing wrong with having a preference. Be it Asian, white, black, middle eastern, etc.... I think Middle eastern women are very beautiful. I also think Asian women are beautiful. Facial features are either to your liking or they are not. I have seen amazingly beautiful Czech or Eastern European women that I could have easily fallen for and I love Beyonce, Vennesa Williams, etc... Beautiful is beautiful regardless of a persons race. The first impression is always going to be determined by how a person looks since you don`t know them at that point. If you are attracted enough you will make the effort to get to know the person more. If not you can forget it. You could be the nicest person in the world but if no one gives you a chance to show it you can also be very lonely. There are many other factors involved when choosing a GF or BF. Like, is it for a life time partner or is it just for fun/sex etc. I never had a problem with girls liking me because I am black because there are just as many that don`t like me because I am black. If you find yourself in a situations that required you choose from a group of ladies or men from different races ( like in a strip club or host club for example) and lets say all of them are equally attractive. White , black, Asian, Hispanic, Middle eastern, in my case I would probably choose whom ever seemed like the most fun to be with at the moment or which ever type I had an urge for at the moment. I admit that my preference tends to lean towards Asian women but by no way is that set in stone. And I know lots of Asian men that are tall and well built. It depends on where you are looking. Not everyone likes to go club hoping. Athletic types are more concerned with their health and working out and are less likely to be available in clubs etc. But if a person does really have a preference one way or the other there is nothing wrong with that. Only jealous people that can`t find a partner have problems with this issue. And they should probably look within themselves for the problem.
Wow...seems like nobody wants to accept that this kind of opinion exists...or maybe worried what others think/say...or maybe everyone must walk around with blinders on!

to those that are open enough to speak here...cool, share opinions!

to those who disagree...seems you are better than the average person & you have found someone for you!

yes Im asking about personal opinions...perhaps this is why this is an issue!?

as for me, Im a white guy, was born & raised in the US...have lived in/around Asia since 1994.
While I have nothing against western girls... I do openly admit that I prefer to date with asian girls, I feel that asian girls put more into relationships than western girls.

Maybe this is from the thought of something new...tired of the same ole same!
Funny topic. I like girls with accents, it doesn't really
matter what the accent is. I've been out with girls from
Afghanistan, China, Japan, England, South Africa...the
closest I go to a white Australian is I went out with a
girl from New Zealand once.

To be honest I wonder if it is true. I mean you see a girl
of asian origin with a white guy and you take note of
it. You don't differentiate between girls who are Japanese,
Chinese, Afghan, Philippina or Pakistani. You just say
it's an Asian girl with a white guy. See a white guy with
a girl of African descent and you don't even notice.

Anyway, I don't think it's a big deal....people find happiness
where they find happiness and if that means a girl or a
guy of different colour so be it.
Its a big deal about nothing. I'm from London, the most multi-cultural city in the world. To see couples with different heritage is more common than seeing people with the same background.

My parents come from different places. Colombia and Egypt. Iwas born and raised in London. I am neither white, arabic or latin. I dont have an ethnic group I can claim to belong to.

Color is nothing but wrapping. Someone said Asians try harder in relationships in their experience. The key part of that is "their experience". Its certainly NOT a universal truth.
I admit it. i have yellow fever. Totally. Absolutely. i am crazy about asian women, especially japanese.

Yes, i have examined my propensity to go for asian women. My conclusion? i have no idea why i prefer them. maybe because i prefer shorter, slimmer, dark-haired, dark-eyed women. maybe because, in my experience, japanese women have been more feminine and more fashion/appearance-conscious than other women i've met, and i find that attractive. maybe because japanese women seem more comfortable with their roles as women (again, in my experience) and i find that more attractive. again, i don't really know, and i don't care.

So no, it doesn't bother me. As already mentioned, it's a personal preference. it's no more wrong - not to mention, no more a conscious choice - than preferring dogs over cats.
#17 That was put very nicely.... particularly the part about Asian women being more comfortable with their roles as women ( in your experience). I tend to agree with you on that one.
It's funny... for years, men would be criticized for "wanting a girl just like the girl who married dear old dad", but there are people like me who prefer a difference (e.g. Asian girls) and we are criticized as well.

Many years ago, a friend told me "there is nothing wrong with dating what you like. If you like big boobs, date women with big boobs; if you like tall girls, date tall girls..." The same goes for women also.

I prefer Asian women - esp Japanese - and I really don't see the big deal if that's what I pursue. I have a (white) friend who only dates black women -- that's who he's attracted to the most, so that's who he dates. I have other friends who prefer blondes. A co-worker I knew would only date older women (10+ years older). My cousin is only attracted to other men - and the ones he dated were mostly Italian. (he eventually married a man of Italian decent).
In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with having any of these preferences.

The most important factor of course is compatibility. My gf is Japanese. She's beautiful and it's great being able to improve my Japanese because of her (and her English because of me) -- but also, we like the same foods, we're both gamers, we are both interested in animals (esp. exotics), we like many of the same movies, music, and TV shows, our outlook on life and personalities are similar, she's my drinking buddy, etc...
In a world of 5 billion+ people, it's not too difficult to find someone who is compatible with you - so what's wrong with choosing someone you are naturally attracted to physically?

#14 I totally agree about accents. I also love many foreign accents, including Japanese, British, Arabic, and especially Russian.
I'm a western woman, who is more notably attracted to Asian Men.
But as a people. I find them more....attractive than normal white men, but I think it's more for the dark hair and dark eyes kind of thing. I think think Asians tend to have more beautiful and noticable faces to me,


However, this is NOT why I'm dating my current boyfriend, who is Japanese. I wouldn't date an asian just because they're asian. And I know that japanese, chinese, etc, are just like everyone else- the individuals all can be different. Me and my japanese friends joke about people by regions, saying kanto are too business like, kansai is crazy with the best humor...xD, kyusyu people are quite, etc. But I know more deep down that it would be a generalization for something that's not always true.

People say I'm more attracted to japanese, however, and that may be true- I feel more comfortable around Japanese people, and using and hearing the language verbally is music to my ears. But as I said before, I wouldn't just date you just for being japanese. I'd probably just talk to you, but whether or not I become a friend or girlfriend is on personality and how we connect.

I have a lot of east asian friends, however; japanese, chinese, hmong...

Even woman who date asians get the yellow fever joke.

I get the "Japanophile" and "Ching chong lover" by those with the maturity of a five year-old.


And with #14; accents are sweetttt.
#20...
Spot on! You're absolutely right, and that's what I had forgotten to say:
I am not dating my Japanese gf JUST because she is Japanese, and I am sick of immature people accusing me of doing otherwise.
I will even go so far as to say that I wouldn't even consider dating most of my female Japanese friends, simply because they are not compatible with me (beyond friendship) anywhere near the level that my gf and I are compatible.
I've never seen the video, and I am not interested.

I've had relationships with all kind of race, and I don't think anyone should not date a person because of his/her race.

As an Asian gay men, I hate white guys that are into Asians (female or male). As a general rule of thumb, white guys who are exclusively into Asians are losers, who can't get any from their own race. Thus think that Asians, who are thought to be "submissive," will find them attractive. I get guys who are into Asian a lot, and none of them have been decent as people. Obviously, there are exceptions, but from what I've seen, I get the feeling that most of them are racists, treating Asian people like commodities.
For me, that is a problem I encounter with dating. Weeding off racist guys.

Anyways, some people would agree that it is "a physical preference." Well, I for one won't date a person because of their race, and if someone would want me to date me for my race, I would find it offensive. There are plenty of people who would want to date white men exclusively, and they should simply bother them instead.
yeah...I know how that is.
An ex boyfriend of mine accused me of leaving him just because the guy I dated after him was the only asian into me. (this ex was white.)
Ironically enough, this little bastard only wants to date asian girls now for small boobs and "submissive" personality.

and he has no luck.


i get racist asians who only want to date a white girl or american on mixi sometimes. That annoys me. They say they love me, but they don't know me. I don't mind being friends, but really...
that gets old as well.


Interesting posts.

I am kind of around the other way. I am a western woman who has a Japanese exhusband. I guess knowing through my experience how cultural differences affect marriage, I would be wary about being in a relationship with anyone from a very different culture (doesn't matter about where from). This isn't just because of my situation but because of my friend's experiences as well, with many of us starting off fine, but it ending up badly because of different expectations.

I am sure this can happen even if you are from the same country, but I think it is something I think about much more now.

To the guys who love Japanese women's femininity - which I agree with, I really learnt a lot living there about being a girlウインク being around my Japanese gal pals - remember that they are extremely strong wives. Their advice to me about my marriage was that I was far too nice and needed to be stricter. They control the cash too - impressive women!!!
I fall under both categories 2 and 4 but I guess I'll be answering #2:

Personally I think it's kind of strange for guys to take interest in me because I'm Asian. I think it's because I knew a few guys who are like that and sometimes I feel awkward when I talk with them. Anyway, I think women are beautiful no matter what ethnicity they are.
As for Asian guys, I don't mind them. I don't find them any less attractive than a guy that's black or white. I don't have a preference when it comes to race. To me all that matters is that our personalities are compatible.
くり・きんとん>
Hey, thanks for the detailed post.
Well, my complaints come from the fact that I get loads of attention from guys who are into Asians, and with no exceptions, all of them have been... well the word "loser" is a bit harsh, so let's use, "undesirable."
I really would prefer if I can stop getting their attention forever. Most of them treat Asians as if they are inferior, and not like their white counterparts. As I said before, there are some people who prefer it, but that's not me. I'm quite sure there are exceptions, but from what I have seen, the guys who are into Asians are LBH, losers back home.

But then, maybe birds of same feathers do flock together, and maybe I am a loser without realizing it... But then my exes were damn cool and not into Asians so...
When you think you are the most desirable person, you will meet the most desirable partner. Cuz real successors are those with the strongest confidence. But be careful not to drown in a lake.
indie-san>
Come to Toronto! :D One of my friends who's gay and also whom often get hit by any kind of men is not really a loser but just a 'rice eater'. He is really handsome too.
Btw I personally like arabic women the best.
In your setting I belong to category 3, I've only had asian gfs before and will keep as this, with finally hoping to emigrate to Japan.

Now my personal opinion, I think the question your arosed here is an American question.

You've got colors in here with "yellow" fever and "white" guys in the video. The speaker talks about "our country"and he speaks native english. So that means, for differing people by colors and not by geopgraphic aspects, these people might be of same nationality and live close together - which is given in the US.

I didn't see the term westerners in the Video - maybe i missed it out - but I guess you brought it into here. In many european countries societies are not that much multiethnical as in the States - in Germany for example you speak rather of Foreigners to seperate yourself toward other cultures. It's a bit funny also to see this video on mixi, which is an 100% japanese site and naturally you will have many crossborder relations.

My personal motivations for my interests in Asians? I had the luck of staying in Asia so far 4 times and get to know people and culture. I strongly refuse nowadays "western" society and culture after beeing able to compare. People are able to decide for themself and by no way bound to a place or group they grow up among - at least also neither the place nor the group feel any bounds to the individual either.
Focus on what you do want and ignore what you don't. I think that's one reason why we have this topic here. When people focussing on people who are attractive to them, here western guys to eastern girls. わーい(嬉しい顔)

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