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good lord. what is this shit? Oh I guess I'm watching a sockpuppet awww cuute

Free Tibet :)

Oh, #29 has gone!!!
Was it a movie or something?

Free Tibet!

> 33 せーわ@Free_Tibet

Thanks.
oh, horrible....

Persnally The Olimpics will should be held wiuhout sonething politicul creed.


Why that idiot riot should be looked after! If we want to do sonething, there was another way.That's enough.In what situation the sides who use the violent way are the loosers.

I think so.

thank u.
if one day Tibet is not belong to china anymore....just thinking,i'm heart break.

these days,in japan,i can't do anything to help my country but sad.
i'm not good at english,i used google to translated .
the comments is really.....
i'm not angry.just feel sad.

by the way
to the Making sarcastic comments's people:

i can understand u.but u can't understand us.
because it's just not your country.

free Tibet! I'd love to do something for them... but what can we do?

I simply wonder why the People's Republic of China government is refusing to talk with Dalai Lama, who said that he didn't want Tibetan people to raise their heads and riot there.

Mr. Dalai Lama doesn't want the area to be "independent" from the PRC, but to have some range of autonomy such as education or so, inside the sovereingty. So Psyko.J.'s recognition on this problem has a significant deficit.

I'm not so familiar with this problem, but it seems quite obvious that everything around this riot would go better if the PRC and Dalai Lama meet with each other, and persuade the rioting people to stop their actions. It is also the best and quickest way to convene Olympic games in China peacefully.

House Syndroma,

>free Tibet! I'd love to do something for them... but what can we do?

you can contribute by becoming peaceful yourself.

#37,
You can stop buying chinese goods.

My response may annoy some people but this is my humble opinion. I have been interested in Chinese history for years and have read many reputable history books on the subject and my opinion is that it is fairly clear that Tibet has been either a suzerainty, a protectorate, a tributary paying autonomous region under Chinese control or an outright part of China whether under the Mongol Yuan empire, the Ming, or the Manchu Ching empire. I also feel that the English took it away from China and that the PRC invasion after WWII was a reassertion of Chinese sovereignty rather than an invasion of an independent country.
On the flip side it is also clear that Tibet was not always part of China. Prior to the Mongols, who are not Chinese, it seems like they were independent. In fact they sacked Chan’ang sometime in the 8th century. There was also a treaty signed by them with the Chinese. That seems to indicate that they were not always under China.
On the other hand, the Anglo’s and the Saxon’s took England from the Celts. They also took North America, the Spanish and Portuguese took South America, the Han Chinese assimilated the Manchu, and the Ausie’s took Oz from the aborigines. How far do we have to go back? Do we have to send everyone back to Africa where they all started a couple of hundred thousand years ago?
I think Tibet is part of China but they should be given the right to choose themselves just as Canada would give to Quebec if they choose sovereignty in a referendum by a clear majority with a clear question.
People have a right to self determination and one thing that is clear is that Tibet is a distinct culture with a distinct language. They are part of China but just as Quebec has the right to decide so should Tibet.

As for the protests in Lhasa it seems that the real story is hidden somewhere between the western media and the State controlled Chinese media. I personally don’t trust either as the western media is story and profit driven and the Chinese media’s only aim is to keep power in the hands of the CCP. Neither is particularly worried about giving me the truth.
CNN and other western media may not intentionally slant the truth but they have to sell papers or advertising or whatever their business model is, so they write what will interest me, the western viewer, sitting on my coach trying to decide whether to watch TV or go on the internet. Not a perfect formula for dispensing truth I admit but still it is better than the Chinese dailies whose sole purpose for existence is to keep Hu Jintao and his friends in power. They are riding the growing tide of Chinese Nationalism to keep themselves popular and this Tibet and torch thing are godsent for them. They can be seen as the protectors of China from the hords or Chinese hating foreigners.

In defence of Psyko, I don’t think he is a PRC agent and I think his feelings are legitimate. I also haven’t seen any footage of Chinese soldiers or Police “cracking down” on the Tibet protestors. I have only seen Tibet protests along with commentary saying that the Chinese Police/Military are cracking down. It seems to be a little deceptive as the video is of Tibetan violence against Chinese while the commentary is talking of Chinese violence. They never say the video is of Chinese violence but to someone not paying full attention that impression would definitely be given. I am not saying the crackdown didn’t happen, I just didn’t see any of it. That may very well be because the CCP kicked out all foreign journalists. I certainly wouldn’t put some crackdown violence past the CCP.

Whether China is in the right of wrong they are definitely losing the PR war here. They come off as heavy handed and the bad guys. They need to change how they do things. They can’t control the media outside of China. Xinhua’s propaganda doesn’t cut it outside the PRC. Use some money from your massive economy and stroll down to Manhattan and hire a good PR company. If the Tibetans really are terrorists then let the media stick around and watch. Call off the blue track suit wearing special agents running with the torch. Allow legitimate protest. Stop ordering local consulates to bus in Pro Chinese protestors to intimidate the Tibetan crowd. Stop sending Chinese agents to troll internet sites. Basically stop acting like bullies and thugs. Oh yeah and respect your own people’s human rights.

I also think protests around the torch are fine but don’t try and grab the torch, especially from a girl in a wheelchair. Don’t break the law by assaulting police and torch bearers. Also, any non-Tibetan people that want to protest about Tibet should have to pass a test consisting of finding Tibet on a map. If your only knowledge of Tibet is from Brad Pitt’s movie or what Richard “the gerbil” Gere tells you then you are not allowed to protest.

All that being said, the most important thing to me is that there are no boycotts of the summer Olympics as that would disturb my television viewing pleasure. They only come around once every 4 years. Olympics are a good venue for political protests and other hi-jinks as long as there is no violence and the athletes are safe.

alrite,guys.....
finally,I decide to leave my words here...
welll...all I want to say is:
CNN------PLZ!!!PLZ TELL THE TRUETH!!!and then maybe some of you will
have a different opinion about this...

I am also not Chinese,but I do believe that CPP leadss far better in
Tibet! there is someone who hope to take the advantage of Olympics...

well...it is the great moment to get the world together...Olympics
combines a lot of dreamssss,plz do not let them gone...


the world need peace...so do we

Thank you very much!

Arigatou!

xiexie!

Meric!

Gracias!

Dank u wel!

Well said jeff, i couldnt have described it better...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kyFg3cxZa0

Hi guys, there is another link on that.
This link may show you the real face of the man who attacked the wheel chair girl.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=6ejkIPMwZUI

How do you think about that?

i just dont understand what's the issue.
this is the time for unity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsoc4-QnplY

clearly western media does not know what they're talking about...

An article by Professor Michael Parenti worth reading about Tibet:

Friendly Feudalism - The Tibet Myth
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

And the now infamous Tibet protester assault on the handicap girl in the wheelchair during the torch run in France...

Video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NDLfj8cKmc0

Pics:
http://www.firmamenter.com/archives/639

Everybody definitely has a right to peacefully protest. But some people, especially in the "FREE TIBET" crowd, just strike me as incredibly obnoxious and anti-Chinese. Yellow Peril, oh no!

I agree with u Pr0digalS0n,
when people think tibetan monks, an unknowledgable person would think peaceful. but these monks are choppin defending officers and stuff.

Not to mention burning buildings with people in them. Recently read a story about a girl calling her dad from the upper floor and burned to death.

'History repeats itself'

Oh,HELL NO!!!

'Hatred creats hatred'

yea,damn right!

We ain't dolls,but human beings,which means we learn over and over.

Love each other or perish,dude.

ブラッド>>>Some people in every crowd of protestors are obnoxious. And they're likely to get more news coverage than the 98% of protestors who protest quietly and peacefully, irregardless of which side their on.

Yes, there's obnoxious protesters in every crowd. But I find it strange that the only "obnoxious" protesters that get highlighted in the media are those who protesting against the "Free Tibet" crowd. I think it's pretty obvious the media coverage that the "Free Tibet" is largely portrayed as a peaceful, non-confrontational movement when the truth is much more complex. The attack in France on the girl in the wheelchair is just one example... there's also been a lack of discussion of the ethnic killings of Han Chinese in Tibet by Tibetans.

ブラッド>What evidence have you seen of anyone being anti-Chinese?

Oh, there's plenty of anti-Chinese sentiment to be found. You have a commentator on CNN (Jack Cafferty) directly saying about China and Chinese people:

"We continue to import their junk with the lead paint on them and the poisoned pet food and export . . . jobs to places where you can pay workers a dollar a month to turn out the stuff that we're buying from Wal-Mart. So I think our relationship with China has certainly changed. I think they're basically the same bunch of goons and thugs they've been for the last 50 years."

Calling Chinese people "the same bunch of goons and thugs" sounds pretty derogatory to me.

Or for more brilliant thoughts, check out the comments section of a SF newspaper opinion piece written by Helen Zia, a gay Chinese American civil rights activist who made the decision to run and carry the Olympic flame:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/comments/view?f=/c/a/2008/04/08/ED2F100FMV.DTL

Plenty of the comments can be summed as "GO BACK TO CHINA", "YOU'RE A TRAITOR TO YOUR COUNTRY", or "IF YOU LOVE COMMUNISM SO MUCH, LEAVE". Pure hatred and eliminationist rhetoric.

ブラッド>I've seen plenty of evidence of Chinese people (in China) misinterpretting protests against their government, as protests against Chinese people. A lot of protestors are in fact empathetic towards Chinese people, even though they're strongly opposed to the government. And it's interesting to see how the government in China is spinning these stories to fan nationalism, so Chinese will forget their own domestic problems.

While I'm no fan of the Chinese government, the problem with line of thinking ブラッド is that assumes that all people in China are mindless idiots who believe whatever propaganda the Chinese government spews. It's a common line of thought in patently racist Western media coverage that the only reason Chinese people must hate the West and protesters is because the government told them to. Do you really have such a low opinion of the intelligence of people in China? That they're all mindless drones who believe whatever the government says?

Yes, a large amount of China's population is isolated and still lives in 3rd world conditions, but for several decades now, there is growing urban middle class who is both educated and media savvy. To understand the anger and resentment that this group of people feels takes an understanding of their perspective - they view the "Free Tibet" protests of the Olympics as an insult to China's prestige, and excuse for Western governments to "keep China down". Chinese people have long memories of China's dealing with the West - the humiliation of colonization and the Opium War; the idle way the "humanitarian" Western governments stood by during the Japanese invasion, occupation, and wartime atrocities like Nanking; the Cold War manipulations trying to play China against the former USSR.

The real irony of the growing tide of Chinese nationalism is that it is a response not to Chinese government propaganda, but a response to biased Western media coverage and the attitudes of well-meaning but ultimately ignorant and racist protestors. The more that Western media, politicians, and protestors continue to portray Tibetans as innocent martyrs and the Chinese as the evil Yellow Peril, the more the flames of Chinese nationalism will grow. The people of China are obviously not going to respond to the condescending, anti-Chinese tone of the "Free Tibet" movement or the Western media.

Peaceful change in Tibet and in mainland China will come through genuine, respectful, and open dialogue that acknowledges the complexity of the situation.

Forgive the typos. Typing too fast. >_<

btw if you havent noticed, tibetans were killing and destroying everything... an army of riot police cant even control them... and you expect reporters to go in safely? even tibetans were hurt in their own destruction...

reporters were kept out for their own safety... they were finally let in accompanied by protection...

Thank you for your comment, Mr. PsykoJ.
>#65

Where did you get that info?

You know there are much more dangerous places in the world, and journalists go there knowing that it's not safe there. They go to tell the world what's happening there. The truth. And now you'te telling us that they are not allowed to tell the truth, aren't you?

>reporters were kept out for their own safety...
This is just a silly excuse.

You can't make this stuff up, who'd order "Free Tibet" flags from a Chinese factory? Must've been a subcontract or something.. lol

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7370903.stm
'Free Tibet' flags made in China

Police in southern China have discovered a factory manufacturing Free Tibet flags, media reports say.

The factory in Guangdong had been completing overseas orders for the flag of the Tibetan government-in-exile.

Workers said they thought they were just making colourful flags and did not realise their meaning.

But then some of them saw TV images of protesters holding the emblem and they alerted the authorities, according to Hong Kong’s Ming Pao newspaper.

Tibet independence

The factory owner reportedly told police the emblems had been ordered from outside China, and he did not know that they stood for an independent Tibet.

Workers who had grown suspicious checked the meaning of the flag by going online.

Thousands of flags had already been packed for shipping.

Police believe that some may already have been sent overseas, and could appear in Hong Kong during the Olympic torch relay there this week.


The authorities have now stepped up the inspection of cars heading to the Shenzhen Special Economic Zone and onwards to Hong Kong.

The Olympic torch is due to tour Hong Kong on Friday. It will then travel to a series of cities in mainland China before reaching Beijing for the start of the Olympic Games in August.