ENGLISH DEBATE ON SOCIAL TOPICコミュのDictator is on trial

>> Do you think North Korean Dictator may also get
>> brought down to the judaical system in our life
>> time?

I sure hope so. It will depend upon how much interest the U.S. has in North Korea. It was oil in the case of Iraq. What does N. Korea have to offer?

As for justice... yes, I hope Hussein will go through a fair trial and get the verdict he deserves, which IMO is life in prison without parole.

If Hussein is found guilty, there would be no prison term but a death penalty. (That was said in the news.)

Many American politicians (pro Bush) are in "denial" that Bush ordered the war because of the "oil".

It's so true... "What's No. Korea can offer..?" probably no much at all. But don't you wish there would be no tention between N. Korea and Japan in terms of "kidnapping/missing Japanese in Korea" "nuclear-weapon-scare"? Or rather "just leave it that way it is, don't stair it up"?

I still think Iraq War was a mistake even though it gave Iraqi people freedom. Or..?

>> there would be no prison term but a death penalty

I personally find that to be disgusting and inhumane. I know it is a sensitive topic, but IMO, taking Hussein's life away is not that much better than what he kept doing during his regime.

Of course, I long for a day when there'll be no tension between North Korea and other Asian countries including Japan. What I'm saying that nothing's going to change the current situation until there's a compelling reason for the world's biggest power, the U.S., to step in more seriously.

The Iraq War is a joke.

I don't think there would be a facility/jail that is secure enough to hold Hussein for a long time. You're right, it's a sensitive topic to discuss the death penalty, so I won't. But it's no way that he would rehabilitate no matter how long he sits in a jail. Costs a lot of money to keep him around as well. He didn't just kill people. He brutally tortured and killed people with pretty much no reason.

U.S. won't step into No. Korea unless they do some really stupid things to the U.S. U.S. doesn't have enough soldiers right now. Being in Iraq, Afganistan, helping Katarina, Rita disasters, Pakistan's earthquake... Been stretched too thin.

Iraq war was a big mistake, not a joke. Since so many people I know (only about 19-27 years old) went there (most of them came back safe) and I lost 2 friends of mine (24 and 27 with a wife and kids). Bush is a joke, but not a war. Loosing 2000+ soldiers and still climing is not a joke, tragedy.

I agree with だいはど against the death penalty for Saddam, but for a different reason. I'm overall an anti-death penalty person, but that's not really the reason in this case. The way I see it, there are a lot of fanatics in the world who see Saddam as some kind of hero. Yeah, it sounds really weird, but there are religious fanatics out there that seem to think that Saddam is actually a good and not an evil. What I'm afraid of is that, by putting Saddam to death, that these fanatics are going to start seeing the man as a martyr, which would make his status worth mentioning even after death. There's no reason why we need to glorify him even to the most extreme of people, and if we have him locked up for all of eternity like a rat in a cage, then that's the best treatment for him.

I don't see the N.Korea situation changing any time soon, mainly because (as mentioned earlier) the US has absolutely nothing to gain from attacking and taking out the dictator. Unfortunately political agendas are driven by money, like in the case of Iraq, so unless something extreme happens there won't be any US military personnel stepping onto N. Korean soil. It's a shame too, cause in my opinion, I think that N. Korea is a greater threat to the world than Iraq ever was. At least we know that N. Korea has long range missiles and they even admitted that they had nuclear technology (both of which Iraq didn't have).

Kyorige, sorry to hear about your friends. I was definitely against this war to begin with, and it's sad that things have escalated to the point it has, without any visible end in the near future. We should probably put Bush up for trial by a jury of his peers too and maybe lock him up in the cell right next to Saddam.

>> Bush is a joke, but not a war. Loosing 2000+ soldiers and
>> still climing is not a joke, tragedy.

I definitely agree. I wasn't considering the Iraq war lightly when I said it was a joke. Now, this may sound strange but Bush may be another victim of this whole thing. How so? Well, think of him as a mere puppet of the oil and other big industries. He just does what they tell him to do. Still pretty pathetic, but we need to know who the real enemy is.

>Hayato san

It's interesting you said, "...religious fanatic out there.... Saddam is actually a good and not an evil..." because.. I didn't mention it, but there was a small protest going on outside the court house. (They are "pro-Saddam" people. I don't think they are normal Iraqi citizens, though... As you probably know, "Iraqis" are divided into so many religious/tribes. This was one of the big reasons that "removing Saddam" didn't lead to instant peace in Iraq.) As I mentioned in my earlier comment, Saddam's speech and body languages were quite overwhelming and powerful. It really made me think the word "DICTATOR" in a more meaningful way. I wouldn't be surprised there are devoted followers who still worship him. He was probably somewhat a hero for those people.

Death penalty: I promised myself that I won't get into the "morality" issue of this topic (may be on the next new topic? in the future... but not now.) I just simply think... locking up Saddam is too much to handle due to the security issue. As you said, there are still fanatic religious followers and other insurgents who simply hate "Americans" would probably help Saddam to go free. Even now, so-call "judges and prosecutors" are scared of their safty (some of those high ranked people are already killed before this trial had begun.) "Excuting him is the easiest way" is so lame to say, but under many circumstances... keeping him alive may lead to much higher prices to pay. Look at Osama Biladdan (I can't spell right, but you know who I'm talking about...). After over 2 years of searching for Biladdan since America entered Iraq, they can't still find him anywhere. Saddam could easily become like him.

>daihad san (die hard...?!?)

I (and many of my American friends) think Bush declared the war to finish up his father started back in early '90s. Actually many politicians (mostly Democrats, but also some Rebuplicans) also stated that the Bush used "911" for an excuse to enter Iraq. Almost everyone was like... "searching for Biladdan who was responsible for the 911 attack" somehow... turned into "attack Saddam". I think Bush WANTED to defeat Saddam for a long time, but just waiting for a chance/excuse/right moment to do so.

I think Bush should send his 2 daughters to Iraq (they are old and well enough) and let him experience how it's like when someone you love and care is in constant danger on dairy basis.