☆FOR JAPANESE LEARNERS☆コミュのPlease recomend good dictionaries for Japanese learners

Hello everybody.

My boyfriend is willing to learn Japanese so I'd like to buy him a (Eng-Jap) dictionary. However, it is quite difficult to pick one...
Can anybody advice me?

He is now learning hiragana-katakana but not yet kanji.
Is there any Eng-Jap dictionary with furigana?
Does dictionary with Roma-ji help a lot if he is at beginner level?
Is normal Eng-Jap dictionary (for Japanese people) too difficult for beginners?

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[1] mixiユーザー 03月28日 14:55

ｱｲさんこんにちは（＾－＾０）
ふりがな付きの英和辞典、検索してみたのですが、みつけられませんでした。ふりがな付き和英辞典はありましたけど。
凡人社の書籍検索ｻｲﾄ、もしかしたら、役に立つかもしれません→http://www.bonjinsha.com/cgi-bin/publishing/

[2] mixiユーザー 03月28日 15:00

Takahashi's Pocket Romanized English Japanese Dictionary (2nd Edition, published by Taiseido) has been a great resource for me for 8 years. Roma-ji is a definite requirement for an entry level reference, and yes, a regular English-Japanese dictionary is useless if he doesn't have someone present to translate the kanji into sound.

Takahashi's Pocket Dictionary is a little old (1975), but it still works well. You may need a different dictionary for new terms and slang. But I also think slang has a funny way of invading a person's vocabulary rather effortlessly.

[3] mixiユーザー 03月28日 15:22

At a beginner's level, Romaji may be easier. But once you start getting better, Romaji actually makes it more difficult in my opinion. may be better to just use kana.

Is he working with a text book also? I would think a text book would be more useful than a dictionary, if you are just getting one book.

[4] mixiユーザー 03月28日 15:57

ピーター I agree that kana is a more accurate reflection of sound and is therefore desireable, but the trouble I find with that, is there are very few English-Japanese dictionaries that work this way. They usually have kanji, without the kana pronunciation present and Japanese for much of the definition, (because there are more Eng-Japn. dict. geared towards Japanese). The key is providing English redefinition of the kanji's that are synonymous with the English counterpart you originally search for. This is because there is often more than one definition, and they are frequently quite different from each other.

If you know of a good dictionary that is accompanied with kana please tell me, I'd be grateful to find one. At any rate the Takahashi Pocket Dict. is quite comprehensive for everyday language and I still can find just about every word I need in it even at a fairly advanced vocabulary level.

[5] mixiユーザー 03月28日 16:03

The Takahashi Pocket Dictionary does have the kana pronunciation of just the defining word as well as good examples for usage. The search is in romaji alphabetized style, so that's really the key for ease of use. I sort of forgot about these details. oops (◉ฺ｡◉ฺ)およよ？

[6] mixiユーザー 03月28日 16:21

以前日本語を教えてくれと頼まれたときに、作ったリストが以下にあります。
http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/2A76S2A1K5GKA/ref=cm_wl_rlist_go/103-6086200-0036610?%5Fencoding=UTF8

参考になれば。

追記：その計画自身はぽしゃったので、どれが実際よかったかどうかはわかりません。

[7] mixiユーザー 03月28日 17:19

ガタローさん、色んな本を薦めてくれてありがとう。Mark SpahnのKanji Dictionaryは特に良い本だと思います。Quick referenceで小さい、持ちやすいのもありますか？

[8] mixiユーザー 03月28日 17:25

申し訳ないですが、先の投稿に書いたように、私が調べたのはAmazon.comのwishlistにあるものだけで、それ以上は私にはわかりません。あしからず。

[9] mixiユーザー 03月28日 23:27

Thanks minasan! どうも有難う。
辞書もリストも参考にします。

My boyfriend uses a text book which I bought in Japan.
We can't find many Eng-Jap dictionaries here in Hong Kong so I am thinking to get one from amazon.co.jp.

[10] mixiユーザー 03月29日 00:28

romanji is a crutch, if he's an adult, the sooner you ditch roomaji in favor of hiragana / katakana, the better. BTW, you might look to get him an electronic dictionary and teach him how to use it...

Especially if he's learning Japanese overseas... the lack of exposure elsewhere + romanji must be murder...

[11] mixiユーザー 03月29日 00:38

for learning kanji, i would recommend:

Kodansha's Kanji Learner Dictionary

i have one; i think it's arranged by stroke order, and has thousands of kanji. i got it because my japanese professor recommended it.

[12] mixiユーザー 03月29日 01:38

Interesting, I don't actually own a Japanese-English dictionary in book form, so can't make a recommendation.

Captain Random!さん suggested considering an electronic dictionary. For beginners-intermediate people, I recommend the Seiko RM2000. It is made for English speakers trying t learn Japanese (as opposed to many, like the Cannon Wordtank series ones, which are geared for Japanese people learning English).

Beyond that, I use Declan's dictionary on my computer (http://www.declan-software.com/japanese/index.htm#dictionary), paDict on my Palm Pilot (http://padict.sourceforge.net), and http://www.alc.co.jp/ on the web. All are free dictionaries.

[13] mixiユーザー 03月29日 16:22

Can you get those particular electronic dictionaries (i.e. Seiko RM2000) in Hong Kong?

[14] mixiユーザー 03月30日 14:38

He doesn't have a big problem with Kanji as his first language is Chinese. He just needs to adopt Japanese pronouciations. Some might say he could use Chinese-Japanese dictionary but he is more confortable with learning Japanese in English.

I've searched the Seiko e-dictionary on Internet but it seems they don't produce it any more...Does anyone know if this model is still available in the market or not?

[15] mixiユーザー 03月30日 14:47

I use Kodansha's Furigana Japanese Dictionary. It's got both Jap-Eng and Eng-Jap, with the Japanese section arranged by furigana rather than kanji. Take a look and see what you think:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/4770024800/qid=1143697540/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-6103056-6485647?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

[16] mixiユーザー 03月31日 12:04

If Kanji is not a problem, then a Cannon Word Tank should not bother him too much. He can select a kanji compound and pull up the reading....

[17] mixiユーザー 04月02日 08:25

I don't know what's offered in Hong Kong, but i've found the best small, CHEAP paper-based dictionaries to be the Langenscheidt and Oxford dictionaries (Jap-Eng, Eng-Jap). They are both for native English speakers and under $20. Granted, the word selection isn't enormous, but they are both very portable (which is probably more important for learning a language). I like the Oxford dictionary because it lists all 日本語 in the kana order and gives the parts of speech for both English AND 日本語 words. The Langenscheidt lists everything alphabetically according to romaji (like most dictionaries for us stupid Americans) but gives the kanja and/or hiragana for words too. The great features about this dictionary are its indestructable cover and 常用漢字 look up table (by stroke order), giving the most common pronunciations for all those kanji.

I wouldn't go with a Japanese paper based dictionary, as they tend not to have much furigana (and who wants to have to get a separate kanji dictionary to look up words in another dictionary?).

Of course, an electronic dictionary is also a great idea, though i can't afford one. And there's always http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/wwwjdic.html if you have the luxury of looking things up on the internet.

Hope this helps!

[18] mixiユーザー 04月02日 09:39

I did a quick Google of "Seiko RM2000" and found quite a few listings for it, including at Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005QEYV/104-2662366-4603956?v=glance&n=172282).

Many of the Taiwanese students at the school I went to had an electronic dictionary that went between English, Chinese, and Japanese. Sorry to say I don't know the brand or model, but this sounds like it may be a good option for him to consider if he can find it.

[19] mixiユーザー 04月02日 09:55

I use the "English-Japanese Dictionary in Roma-ji for all learners of Japanese." I think its by Shibata Masaaki. I found it useful when I was first learning Japanese. It contains about 4,800 English words and more than 2,000 sample sentences in roma-ji. You really should wean him off roma-ji as soon as possible. But its easy to use for beginners.

ISBN4-490-10654-8
2300YEN

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